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Post by lloydcolesguitar on Jan 20, 2019 10:06:59 GMT
Can work both ways. I travel from North Wales changing trains at Crewe to get to Stoke and also when going to the smoke. On Cup Final day soom little pip squeek from Virgin wanted to search my bag at Crewe. There was an alcohol ban on trains thst day.I felt there was no need as they had already been searched at Chester and a few minutes before at Crewe. I walked off and he started man handling me. As i didnt want the the little boy stopping me from seeing Stoke at Wembley I didnt thump him back (as i wanted to ) and reluctantly let him search my bag I complained to Virgin and got the bums rush until i asked for thr security footage I received a begrudging apology and the Virgin Brat was disciplined (well that they said ! 😂😂)
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Post by bertiebigguns on Jan 20, 2019 10:15:26 GMT
What was your interpretation of events? What’s your interpretation? I don’t know I wasn’t there as your comments suggest you were but then I’m not the one calling out supporters to be snowflakes and putting them in some type of victimhood category.
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Post by AlanHansen on Jan 20, 2019 10:17:16 GMT
It turned out to be simething and nothing, but it threatened to kick off as some stewards went in to have a word with a Stoke fan. This was in the tight space behind the terrace at HT, tunnel side.
The stewards all normal looking types were simply doing their jobs. I didn't see what started it but I doubt they bothered to intervene for no reason.
There are cameras everywhere these days. If you are doing nothing wrong you have nothing to be concerned about.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jan 20, 2019 10:19:34 GMT
I always question the manhood of people who are not only accept, but slavishly defend the boots that stamp on them.
There is an assumption of guilt. It is authoritarian, draconian overreach. There is an inherent establishing and reinforcing of a hierarchy. They are assuming power and status over you. It is a passive reminder of dominance, and an active provocation.
You are a human being, you should have dignity and respect for yourself. You should be outraged when someone starts filming you "in case" you suddenly act like an animal. When and if that occasion happens, then they can whip their cameras out and film the culprits.
Whenever somebody says "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" I automatically lose all respect for the squirmy, weak, spineless embarrassment of a man you are. Aside from history proving that statement to be total bullshit time and time and time again; you really, really look pathetic.
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Post by adi on Jan 20, 2019 10:21:57 GMT
What’s your interpretation? I don’t know I wasn’t there as your comments suggest you were but then I’m not the one calling out supporters to be snowflakes and putting them in some type of victimhood category. In what way did my comments suggest I was there? Which particular words? And yes I am calling some of our fans snowflakes and I stand by that. If you weren’t there what point are you trying to make? Other than feigning outrage and being exactly what I said: a snowflake. Typical social justice warrior behaviour, jumping in to defend those who can defend themselves. It’s a great irony so thanks 😂
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Post by adi on Jan 20, 2019 10:24:50 GMT
I always question the manhood of people who are not only accept, but slavishly defend the boots that stamp on them. There is an assumption of guilt. It is authoritarian, draconian overreach. There is an inherent establishing and reinforcing of a hierarchy. They are assuming power and status over you. It is a passive reminder of dominance, and an active provocation. You are a human being, you should have dignity and respect for yourself. You should be outraged when someone starts filming you "in case" you suddenly act like an animal. When and if that occasion happens, then they can whip their cameras out and film the culprits. Whenever somebody says "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" I automatically lose all respect for the squirmy, weak, spineless embarrassment of a man you are. Aside from history proving that statement to be total bullshit time and time and time again; you really, really look pathetic. 😂🤣 I question a man who gets upset at being filmed. Like the camera is piercing into your soul 😅. You should pen a strongly written letter! But then again you’ll probably just moan on a forum and claim outrage without actually doing anything else about it. The stewards are doing their job and nothing you write on the oatcake will change how they do it.
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Post by adi on Jan 20, 2019 10:25:54 GMT
It turned out to be simething and nothing, but it threatened to kick off as some stewards went in to have a word with a Stoke fan. This was in the tight space behind the terrace at HT, tunnel side. The stewards all normal looking types were simply doing their jobs. I didn't see what started it but I doubt they bothered to intervene for no reason. There are cameras everywhere these days. If you are doing nothing wrong you have nothing to be concerned about. Exactly. Pretend hard men who are brave in the safety of the stands getting upset when they are challenged.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 20, 2019 10:26:48 GMT
The eagerness with which people are willing to surrender even their most basic of rights troubles me greatly.
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Post by bertiebigguns on Jan 20, 2019 10:27:51 GMT
I don’t know I wasn’t there as your comments suggest you were but then I’m not the one calling out supporters to be snowflakes and putting them in some type of victimhood category. In what way did my comments suggest I was there? Which particular words? And yes I am calling some of our fans snowflakes and I stand by that. If you weren’t there what point are you trying to make? Other than feigning outrage and being exactly what I said: a snowflake. Typical social justice warrior behaviour, jumping in to defend those who can defend themselves. It’s a great irony so thanks 😂 Case closed.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jan 20, 2019 10:29:44 GMT
I always question the manhood of people who are not only accept, but slavishly defend the boots that stamp on them. There is an assumption of guilt. It is authoritarian, draconian overreach. There is an inherent establishing and reinforcing of a hierarchy. They are assuming power and status over you. It is a passive reminder of dominance, and an active provocation. You are a human being, you should have dignity and respect for yourself. You should be outraged when someone starts filming you "in case" you suddenly act like an animal. When and if that occasion happens, then they can whip their cameras out and film the culprits. Whenever somebody says "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" I automatically lose all respect for the squirmy, weak, spineless embarrassment of a man you are. Aside from history proving that statement to be total bullshit time and time and time again; you really, really look pathetic. 😂🤣 I question a man who gets upset at being filmed. Like the camera is piercing into your soul 😅. You should pen a strongly written letter! But then again you’ll probably just moan on a forum and claim outrage without actually doing anything else about it. The stewards are doing their job and nothing you write on the oatcake will change how they do it. Where do you draw the line? When our overloards stick cameras in your house and say that if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear, and it's all for your own safety, are you going to drop to your knees and take that long, hard cock right to the back of your throat? You keep crying those tears of joy and thanks that they're there to protect you from the big bad boogyman. As long as you have your safe-spaces though I suppose. I bet you're in favour of the pat-downs upon entry as well. Cringe.
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Post by adi on Jan 20, 2019 10:33:37 GMT
😂🤣 I question a man who gets upset at being filmed. Like the camera is piercing into your soul 😅. You should pen a strongly written letter! But then again you’ll probably just moan on a forum and claim outrage without actually doing anything else about it. The stewards are doing their job and nothing you write on the oatcake will change how they do it. Where do you draw the line? When our overloards stick cameras in your house and say that if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear, and it's all for your own safety, are you going to drop to your knees and take that long, hard cock right to the back of your throat? You keep crying those tears of joy and thanks that they're there to protect you from the big bad boogyman. As long as you have your safe-spaces though I suppose. I bet you're in favour of the pat-downs upon entry as well. Cringe. I think you’re the one more likely to advocate a safe space. And yes I think the pat downs should be continued but done properly. And anyone who says “cringe” should be taken outside and put down 😂🤣 Also, cameras in our homes? That’s a big and ridiculous leap so we’ll done there too!
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Post by AlanHansen on Jan 20, 2019 10:34:06 GMT
I always question the manhood of people who are not only accept, but slavishly defend the boots that stamp on them. There is an assumption of guilt. It is authoritarian, draconian overreach. There is an inherent establishing and reinforcing of a hierarchy. They are assuming power and status over you. It is a passive reminder of dominance, and an active provocation. You are a human being, you should have dignity and respect for yourself. You should be outraged when someone starts filming you "in case" you suddenly act like an animal. When and if that occasion happens, then they can whip their cameras out and film the culprits. Whenever somebody says "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" I automatically lose all respect for the squirmy, weak, spineless embarrassment of a man you are. Aside from history proving that statement to be total bullshit time and time and time again; you really, really look pathetic. Dick alert.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 20, 2019 10:34:29 GMT
Malcolm to my knowledge It’s called evidence gathering I believe and is done If something kicks or is likely to kick off and can be used in court. It’s quite common and protects both the public and police and can be used by both sides in court and can’t be edited. It’s better to have the evidence rather than miss the incident after the event.
It’s Funny how some have an issue with videoing using bodycam etc yet can’t wait to get there phones out and start filming police and putting them on YouTube etc with there own running commentary. I’m pretty sure that any filming at any games will never be made public unless there’s an enquiry.
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Post by adi on Jan 20, 2019 10:34:42 GMT
The eagerness with which people are willing to surrender even their most basic of rights troubles me greatly. I hate to break it to you but we are the most surveilled country in the world. And it’s helped to prosecute thousands of people long may it continue.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jan 20, 2019 10:36:22 GMT
I don’t know I wasn’t there as your comments suggest you were but then I’m not the one calling out supporters to be snowflakes and putting them in some type of victimhood category. In what way did my comments suggest I was there? Which particular words? And yes I am calling some of our fans snowflakes and I stand by that. If you weren’t there what point are you trying to make? Other than feigning outrage and being exactly what I said: a snowflake. Typical social justice warrior behaviour, jumping in to defend those who can defend themselves. It’s a great irony so thanks 😂 The irony of someone accusing others of being social-justice-warriors in a pejorative context, whilst demonstrating support for big-government style surveillance and policing is quite baffling. Would this be the same SJWism that requires surveillance and policing? That you support?
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Post by adi on Jan 20, 2019 10:36:34 GMT
It’s called evidence gathering isn’t it? If something kicks off it can be used in court. It’s quite common and protects both the public and police and can be used by both sides in court. Funny how the public have an issue with videoing using bodycam etc yet can’t wait to get there phones out and start filming police and putting them on YouTube etc with there own running commentary. I’m pretty sure that any filming at any games will never be made public unless there’s an enquiry. Exactly. In the words of Connor Macgreggor, “None of yas will do nuttin! You’ll do fuckin nutthin!” 😂
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Post by adi on Jan 20, 2019 10:37:37 GMT
In what way did my comments suggest I was there? Which particular words? And yes I am calling some of our fans snowflakes and I stand by that. If you weren’t there what point are you trying to make? Other than feigning outrage and being exactly what I said: a snowflake. Typical social justice warrior behaviour, jumping in to defend those who can defend themselves. It’s a great irony so thanks 😂 The irony of someone accusing others of being social-justice-warriors in a pejorative context, whilst demonstrating support for big-government style surveillance and policing is quite baffling. Would this be the same SJWism that requires surveillance and policing? That you support? Complaining on behalf of someone else who is more than capable of making their own argument, yes, just like SJWs. Hope that clears it up
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jan 20, 2019 10:37:52 GMT
The eagerness with which people are willing to surrender even their most basic of rights troubles me greatly. I hate to break it to you but we are the most surveilled country in the world. And it’s helped to prosecute thousands of people long may it continue. "Gobble gobble, slurp slurp, ooh yeah, rules rules rules, tell me what to do, I'm a baaad boy, I can't be trusted"
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Post by adi on Jan 20, 2019 10:39:15 GMT
In what way did my comments suggest I was there? Which particular words? And yes I am calling some of our fans snowflakes and I stand by that. If you weren’t there what point are you trying to make? Other than feigning outrage and being exactly what I said: a snowflake. Typical social justice warrior behaviour, jumping in to defend those who can defend themselves. It’s a great irony so thanks 😂 The irony of someone accusing others of being social-justice-warriors in a pejorative context, whilst demonstrating support for big-government style surveillance and policing is quite baffling. Would this be the same SJWism that requires surveillance and policing? That you support? I’m Not demonstrating support either. Just poking holes in these ridiculous arguments. The “big government” doesn’t need my support, they’re doing whatever they want to you anyway so tough shit 😂
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Post by adi on Jan 20, 2019 10:40:11 GMT
I hate to break it to you but we are the most surveilled country in the world. And it’s helped to prosecute thousands of people long may it continue. "Gobble gobble, slurp slurp, ooh yeah, rules rules rules, tell me what to do, I'm a baaad boy, I can't be trusted" HHahaha what are you going to do about it?! Nothing!m? Exactly! How childish are you?! Embarrassing lad.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jan 20, 2019 10:47:19 GMT
I think it's quite telling that those who are most in favour of this type of thing are the ones who come across as not being particularly intelligent.
I'll leave you to your myopia and naïveté.
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Post by adi on Jan 20, 2019 10:48:41 GMT
I think it's quite telling that those who are most in favour of this type of thing are the ones who come across as not being particularly intelligent. I'll leave you to your myopia and naïveté. I was thinking it’s the opposite but there you go! I’ll leave you to your sad outrage about something you’ll do nothing about. 😇😘
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 20, 2019 11:00:54 GMT
So from what I see there’s been an incident which has resulted in stewards going to evict a supporter. Due to the belief that things may kick off the police have preempted a possible problem by videoing the Stewards removing the supporter to ensure it’s done sensibly. By videoing them it ensures there’s no goading or silly business. No one gets hurt? Supporter gets removed without anything major kicking off. Isn’t that the way it should be?
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Post by adi on Jan 20, 2019 11:09:18 GMT
So from what I see there’s been an incident which has resulted in stewards going to evict a supporter. Due to the belief that things may kick off the police have preempted a possible problem by videoing the Stewards removing the supporter to ensure it’s done sensibly. By videoing them it ensures there’s no goading or silly business. No one gets hurt? Supporter gets removed without anything major kicking off. Isn’t that the way it should be? No because it’s really mean and unfair that they have these big scary video cameras and look at us ‘menacingly’. It’s so unfair and really nasty. 😂🤣
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 20, 2019 11:14:19 GMT
The eagerness with which people are willing to surrender even their most basic of rights troubles me greatly. I hate to break it to you but we are the most surveilled country in the world. And it’s helped to prosecute thousands of people long may it continue. Why are they filming? Who owns the film? Where is the film stored? How will it be used? Has the film been edited? When will it be destroyed? Is it a condition of entry into Griffin Park that you consent to a private individual and employee of Brentford FC to shove a camera in your face? Do none of these things bother you?
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Post by A-teen_six_T3 on Jan 20, 2019 11:19:59 GMT
I wasnt near the incident but saw it from a distance. The bloke carried out was either very very drunk or had been KOd by the stewards he lookee very limp. Eyes at the back of his head and when being dragged past the rest of the Stoke fans showed zero resistance.
There was a bloke filming him being dragged out, another bloke following filming the crowd (perhaps hoping or anticipating the crowd to react the the Stoke fan being kicked out) they both then came back again filming the crowd, both whilst they were walking to where the incident was and for a period of time where the incident was
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Post by adi on Jan 20, 2019 11:21:10 GMT
I hate to break it to you but we are the most surveilled country in the world. And it’s helped to prosecute thousands of people long may it continue. Why are they filming? Who owns the film? Where is the film stored? How will it be used? Has the film been edited? When will it be destroyed? Is it a condition of entry into Griffin Park that you consent to a private individual and employee of Brentford FC to shove a camera in your face? Do none of these things bother you? Not in the slightest. They film for public safety and it’s a tried and tested means of keeping the peace and stopping the idiots from being able to offend again. My questions to you are: what are you going to do, as the filming clearly bothers you, to find answers to these questions? And second, will it affect your attendance at football matches?
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jan 20, 2019 11:23:14 GMT
If I just started filming people and saying it was for their safety, I'd expect a smack in the teeth, or the police being called on me. If I put on a hi-viz jacket though and did the exact same thing, I'd have people consenting and even defeding me for doing it. It's really creepy.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 20, 2019 11:28:27 GMT
Why are they filming? Who owns the film? Where is the film stored? How will it be used? Has the film been edited? When will it be destroyed? Is it a condition of entry into Griffin Park that you consent to a private individual and employee of Brentford FC to shove a camera in your face? Do none of these things bother you? Not in the slightest. They film for public safety and it’s a tried and tested means of keeping the peace and stopping the idiots from being able to offend again. My questions to you are: what are you going to do, as the filming clearly bothers you, to find answers to these questions? And second, will it affect your attendance at football matches? Where is your evidence for it being a tried and tested means of keeping the peace? I'm not going to do anything but if the camera was shoved in my beak, I would certainly pose all of the above questions to the amateur voyeur film maker and demand the answers. Do you care about anything?
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Post by adi on Jan 20, 2019 11:28:42 GMT
If I just started filming people and saying it was for their safety, I'd expect a smack in the teeth, or the police being called on me. If I put on a hi-viz jacket though and did the exact same thing, I'd have people consenting and even defeding me for doing it. It's really creepy. “taking photographs or video footage in public places is not illegal unless it is for criminal or terrorist purposes.” Again it’s legal and let’s face it you’re not going to do anything about it bar moaning on The Oatcake. 😂
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