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Post by wilcopotter on Jan 26, 2019 10:22:13 GMT
Scary to think she could become a national major decision maker ☹️
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Post by metalhead on Jan 29, 2019 8:00:59 GMT
www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/bbc-admits-fiona-bruce-make-13916292And the BBC sink to a new low. I can't stand Diane Abbott. She represents everything wrong with the current Labour party that I continue to vote for.... That said, you cannot bully her for things she got up to in the 70s. It's unacceptable. She remains a public figure, a mother, and a human.
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 29, 2019 8:26:57 GMT
www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/bbc-admits-fiona-bruce-make-13916292And the BBC sink to a new low. I can't stand Diane Abbott. She represents everything wrong with the current Labour party that I continue to vote for.... That said, you cannot bully her for things she got up to in the 70s. It's unacceptable. She remains a public figure, a mother, and a human. It's unacceptable if she was picked out in any way. So, the BBC need to say (preferably show) the full warm up routine for this show - and others. So we can judge if Diane Abbott was treated either badly or worse than any other panellist. And also, if this is a new thing with the new presenter and producer. One suspects there is a case to answer because the BBC is being so obtuse. Then again, the BBC has a culture of protecting its own.
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 29, 2019 8:35:19 GMT
Fiona Bruce is just middle aged eye candy & seriously light weight. She’s a tick in a box for inclusively
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 8:45:07 GMT
If this is true, as it now appears to be, then it's totally out of order for Abbott (or any panellist) to be treated like this. I really can't stand Abbott and feel that her truly abysmal performance on QT certainly contributed to the audience's response to her but it's totally wrong if they had already been "directed" how to respond.
It also begs the question if this has also been done to other previous QT Guests as several have also received extremely difficult experiences on the show.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jan 29, 2019 8:53:06 GMT
It is unnacceptable to treat Diane Abbott this way.
It makes you wonder whether it's happened before on the other 29 appearances she's made on Question Time.
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Post by metalhead on Jan 29, 2019 9:59:14 GMT
If this is true, as it now appears to be, then it's totally out of order for Abbott (or any panellist) to be treated like this. I really can't stand Abbott and feel that her truly abysmal performance on QT certainly contributed to the audience's response to her but it's totally wrong if they had already been "directed" how to respond. It also begs the question if this has also been done to other previous QT Guests as several have also received extremely difficult experiences on the show. With respect, if you had been mocked and joked about, right before going onto a very public platform and speaking in front of 100 odd people and a few million more across the country via broadcast, you'd probably be a little jaded as well. Somehow, this thread and the actions of the BBC have made me sympathise with Diane fucking Abbott.... a politician I absolutely loathe.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 12:37:56 GMT
If this is true, as it now appears to be, then it's totally out of order for Abbott (or any panellist) to be treated like this. I really can't stand Abbott and feel that her truly abysmal performance on QT certainly contributed to the audience's response to her but it's totally wrong if they had already been "directed" how to respond. It also begs the question if this has also been done to other previous QT Guests as several have also received extremely difficult experiences on the show. With respect, if you had been mocked and joked about, right before going onto a very public platform and speaking in front of 100 odd people and a few million more across the country via broadcast, you'd probably be a little jaded as well. Somehow, this thread and the actions of the BBC have made me sympathise with Diane fucking Abbott.... a politician I absolutely loathe. I suppose it is possible that Abbott could have been affected but to be honest having seen her on numerous previous occasions (QT, Andrew Marr, Daily Politics show etc) her performance on QT was in no way different to her other appearances. I do agree that it's not right to have possibly set the audience's mindset before the programme started but as a long standing, time served politician Abbott should still have been able to clearly state her (and Labour's) position and opinion but she sadly did neither, which I think was more down to her own inability to do so rather than the QT atmosphere. She wasn't the first to have recieved similar treatment, and she certainly won't be the last.
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 29, 2019 14:37:54 GMT
www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/bbc-admits-fiona-bruce-make-13916292And the BBC sink to a new low. I can't stand Diane Abbott. She represents everything wrong with the current Labour party that I continue to vote for.... That said, you cannot bully her for things she got up to in the 70s. It's unacceptable. She remains a public figure, a mother, and a human. It's unacceptable if she was picked out in any way. So, the BBC need to say (preferably show) the full warm up routine for this show - and others. So we can judge if Diane Abbott was treated either badly or worse than any other panellist. And also, if this is a new thing with the new presenter and producer. One suspects there is a case to answer because the BBC is being so obtuse. Then again, the BBC has a culture of protecting its own. It's hardly news that she and corbyn were an item but is it unacceptable to bring it up ? In her 20+ years as an mp the first really significant post she has held is under Jezza (fnarr fnarr) a job she does not seem particularly good at, I'm sure she is a perfectly competent constinuency mp but if she wasnt mated with Jezza would she be anyway near being shadow home secretary ?
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 29, 2019 14:39:45 GMT
If this is true, as it now appears to be, then it's totally out of order for Abbott (or any panellist) to be treated like this. I really can't stand Abbott and feel that her truly abysmal performance on QT certainly contributed to the audience's response to her but it's totally wrong if they had already been "directed" how to respond. It also begs the question if this has also been done to other previous QT Guests as several have also received extremely difficult experiences on the show. With respect, if you had been mocked and joked about, right before going onto a very public platform and speaking in front of 100 odd people and a few million more across the country via broadcast, you'd probably be a little jaded as well. Somehow, this thread and the actions of the BBC have made me sympathise with Diane fucking Abbott.... a politician I absolutely loathe. There is no indication she heard or was aware of any comments being made before she went or her complaint would not have had to rely on audience members.
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 29, 2019 16:52:34 GMT
It's unacceptable if she was picked out in any way. So, the BBC need to say (preferably show) the full warm up routine for this show - and others. So we can judge if Diane Abbott was treated either badly or worse than any other panellist. And also, if this is a new thing with the new presenter and producer. One suspects there is a case to answer because the BBC is being so obtuse. Then again, the BBC has a culture of protecting its own. It's hardly news that she and corbyn were an item but is it unacceptable to bring it up ? In her 20+ years as an mp the first really significant post she has held is under Jezza (fnarr fnarr) a job she does not seem particularly good at, I'm sure she is a perfectly competent constinuency mp but if she wasnt mated with Jezza would she be anyway near being shadow home secretary ? It depends on the context. Was she being treated differently to other panellists in that warm up section. Regardless of her competencies, she should be treated no different to anyone else. That is what the BBC have to show.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 29, 2019 17:00:13 GMT
www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/bbc-admits-fiona-bruce-make-13916292And the BBC sink to a new low. I can't stand Diane Abbott. She represents everything wrong with the current Labour party that I continue to vote for.... That said, you cannot bully her for things she got up to in the 70s. It's unacceptable. She remains a public figure, a mother, and a human. A mother who wants to stop other mothers from giving there childern the same standard of education she gave here’s The hypocrite deserves every thing she gets
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Post by metalhead on Jan 29, 2019 18:41:29 GMT
www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/bbc-admits-fiona-bruce-make-13916292And the BBC sink to a new low. I can't stand Diane Abbott. She represents everything wrong with the current Labour party that I continue to vote for.... That said, you cannot bully her for things she got up to in the 70s. It's unacceptable. She remains a public figure, a mother, and a human. A mother who wants to stop other mothers from giving there childern the same standard of education she gave here’s The hypocrite deserves every thing she gets There are a lot of hypocrites in this world. Plenty. If I go back through your posts, will I find one that suggests it's unfair that someone right leaning took a load of stick? It doesn't mean they deserve to be bullied, especially over their sexual history. What does her shagging Jeremy Corbyn have to do with her politics? I actually agree with you. Her politics are disgusting enough as it is. The way she acted over private schools was indeed immoral and I find private schools immoral generally speaking.... Abbott is now talking about boycotting the BBC. I think she would look a lot stronger, if she decided to take them head on, but Di doesn't seem all keen on that. We are where we are, and Question Time is a shower of shit these days anyway.
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 29, 2019 21:03:12 GMT
It's hardly news that she and corbyn were an item but is it unacceptable to bring it up ? In her 20+ years as an mp the first really significant post she has held is under Jezza (fnarr fnarr) a job she does not seem particularly good at, I'm sure she is a perfectly competent constinuency mp but if she wasnt mated with Jezza would she be anyway near being shadow home secretary ? It depends on the context. Was she being treated differently to other panellists in that warm up section. Regardless of her competencies, she should be treated no different to anyone else. That is what the BBC have to show. Well the other 2 mps I doubt anyone outside of their own families knows much about them so jokes probably wouldnt have got much of a laugh. Would she have made the same sort of joke about say Boris is a more fair comparison we dont know the answer to that but its a little irrelevant the derision and laughter came because of her piss poor answers on brexit ironically not her fault as she actually correctly stated labours piss poor policy on brexit !
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Post by thevoid on Feb 12, 2019 19:15:08 GMT
She's got a part-time job writing quiz questions:
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Post by Clayton Wood on Sept 19, 2023 21:03:32 GMT
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Post by aureliuspotter on Sept 19, 2023 21:13:57 GMT
"I am the longest serving black MP. Yet there is widespread sentiment that as a black woman, and someone on the left of the Labour Party, that I will not get a far hearing from this Labour leadership." Why does she consistently bring up race in every situation? Why does it matter if she is a woman or black? If Starmer wants any credibility, the smartest action he can take is to completely disassociate himself from Abbott.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 20, 2023 6:10:36 GMT
"I am the longest serving black MP. Yet there is widespread sentiment that as a black woman, and someone on the left of the Labour Party, that I will not get a far hearing from this Labour leadership." Why does she consistently bring up race in every situation? Why does it matter if she is a woman or black? If Starmer wants any credibility, the smartest action he can take is to completely disassociate himself from Abbott. Sounds like a no win situation for Starmer after Ms Abbots comments. Reinstate her and there’ll comments from some saying he’s only done it because she’s black. or Get rid and there’ll be comments from others saying he’s only done it because she’s black. Definite need for a compromise I’d suggest.
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Post by lordb on Sept 20, 2023 6:30:32 GMT
"I am the longest serving black MP. Yet there is widespread sentiment that as a black woman, and someone on the left of the Labour Party, that I will not get a far hearing from this Labour leadership." Why does she consistently bring up race in every situation? Why does it matter if she is a woman or black? If Starmer wants any credibility, the smartest action he can take is to completely disassociate himself from Abbott. Sounds like a no win situation for Starmer after Ms Abbots comments. Reinstate her and there’ll comments from some saying he’s only done it because she’s black. or Get rid and there’ll be comments from others saying he’s only done it because she’s black. Definite need for a compromise I’d suggest. He can just do nothing
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Post by foster on Sept 20, 2023 6:33:10 GMT
"I am the longest serving black MP. Yet there is widespread sentiment that as a black woman, and someone on the left of the Labour Party, that I will not get a far hearing from this Labour leadership." Why does she consistently bring up race in every situation? Why does it matter if she is a woman or black? If Starmer wants any credibility, the smartest action he can take is to completely disassociate himself from Abbott. Sounds like a no win situation for Starmer after Ms Abbots comments. Reinstate her and there’ll comments from some saying he’s only done it because she’s black. or Get rid and there’ll be comments from others saying he’s only done it because she’s black. Definite need for a compromise I’d suggest. I think most people know she's a thicko who's made a living out of using the race card. I'm not so sure many people will complain. Starmer could just bring in another black person who's more capable, but I'm not a fan of recruiting people based on their ethnicity alone. Best person for the job, whatever the colour.
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Post by gawa on Sept 20, 2023 9:46:35 GMT
Should be treated in the same way as anyone else who has had their whip removed in my opinion. As long as the same process is being followed then that's fair.
I don't think her comments warrant removal from the party particularly when others across the commons have used much more racist language and not had any whip removed.
But with Starmer as leader I presume he will cave in and try to get rid to appease those on the right.
I understand Diane Abbott isn't particularly popular here and I'm not defending her previous comments. I don't feel it warrants an unfair process though.
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Post by aureliuspotter on Sept 20, 2023 10:16:50 GMT
Should be treated in the same way as anyone else who has had their whip removed in my opinion. As long as the same process is being followed then that's fair. I don't think her comments warrant removal from the party particularly when others across the commons have used much more racist language and not had any whip removed. But with Starmer as leader I presume he will cave in and try to get rid to appease those on the right. I understand Diane Abbott isn't particularly popular here and I'm not defending her previous comments. I don't feel it warrants an unfair process though. That isn't the first time she's made racist comments though, it's what most people know her for. She's a race baiter and race baiting does nothing but cause resentment and division.
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Post by gawa on Sept 20, 2023 10:22:19 GMT
Should be treated in the same way as anyone else who has had their whip removed in my opinion. As long as the same process is being followed then that's fair. I don't think her comments warrant removal from the party particularly when others across the commons have used much more racist language and not had any whip removed. But with Starmer as leader I presume he will cave in and try to get rid to appease those on the right. I understand Diane Abbott isn't particularly popular here and I'm not defending her previous comments. I don't feel it warrants an unfair process though. That isn't the first time she's made racist comments though, it's what most people know her for. She's a race baiter and race baiting does nothing but cause resentment and division. Still doesn't mean that a different disciplinary process should be applied in my opinion.
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Post by aureliuspotter on Sept 20, 2023 10:23:18 GMT
That isn't the first time she's made racist comments though, it's what most people know her for. She's a race baiter and race baiting does nothing but cause resentment and division. Still doesn't mean that a different disciplinary process should be applied in my opinion. No it shouldn't I agree.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 20, 2023 10:44:10 GMT
Should be treated in the same way as anyone else who has had their whip removed in my opinion. As long as the same process is being followed then that's fair. I don't think her comments warrant removal from the party particularly when others across the commons have used much more racist language and not had any whip removed. But with Starmer as leader I presume he will cave in and try to get rid to appease those on the right. I understand Diane Abbott isn't particularly popular here and I'm not defending her previous comments. I don't feel it warrants an unfair process though. The process isn't being followed that's the issue. This is more factionalism from Starmer's Labour, obviously not a particular topic of interest to 90% of the country but one of a number of ways the NEC is turning the party into one where members are trampled on, to be replaced by corporate donors who of course expect nothing back for their money. As for Abbott, she apologised for her clumsy (but not completely inaccurate in my opinion, see similar view from David Baddiel's niece below) comments, so like MP's Steven Reed and Barry Sheerman who made anti-Semitic comments and were allowed to simply apologise and carry on by Starmer, so should she be if he's being consistent. Unless of course it's not really about anti-Semitism (shock horror).............. twitter.com/i/status/1685446033180962816
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2023 10:51:02 GMT
An educated black woman who has campaigned tirelessly for her constituents over many years clearly brings out the hostility for some folks.
I really don't get it.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 20, 2023 11:03:51 GMT
An educated black woman who has campaigned tirelessly for her constituents over many years clearly brings out the hostility for some folks. I really don't get it. She was a trailblazer, and for some on here to call her thick is juts laughable let's be fair. And the amount of abuse she gets on social media is off the scale, at one point it was as much as the rest of the MP's in parliament combined. I'm a fan of Abbott, but I think when she had her health issues around election time she should have stood down and enjoyed her retirement...........
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Post by aureliuspotter on Sept 20, 2023 11:09:22 GMT
An educated black woman who has campaigned tirelessly for her constituents over many years clearly brings out the hostility for some folks. I really don't get it. Being black and thick isn't an excuse to be racist though. There are plenty of white thickos that shout or chant racist things at the match and we rightfully wouldn't excuse them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2023 11:13:22 GMT
An educated black woman who has campaigned tirelessly for her constituents over many years clearly brings out the hostility for some folks. I really don't get it. Being black and thick isn't an excuse to be racist though. There are plenty of white thickos that shout or chant racist things at the match and we rightfully wouldn't excuse them. How do you know she is thick? Do you know her?
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Post by aureliuspotter on Sept 20, 2023 11:19:03 GMT
Being black and thick isn't an excuse to be racist though. There are plenty of white thickos that shout or chant racist things at the match and we rightfully wouldn't excuse them. How do you know she is thick? Do you know her? All racists are thick.
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