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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 18, 2019 11:34:17 GMT
Last night on Question TimeššTalk about car crash TV,how is this woman anywhere near being a minister in a governmentš¤
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2019 12:10:39 GMT
Love her or loathe her, I feel she is an old school MP who got into the job because she wanted to represent the people that she represents. I feel she is given a hard time because she's not camera-savvy and never will be.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jan 18, 2019 12:18:32 GMT
Last night on Question TimeššTalk about car crash TV,how is this woman anywhere near being a minister in a governmentš¤
Fortunately, given the "opposition" and how they are nowadays, she's nowhere close to being a minister in government
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 18, 2019 12:21:27 GMT
The most abused MP in the history of Parliament
Racist Abuse Sexist Abuse Threats of violence Death Threats
She's number one in them all.
You don't see much about it do you.
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Post by 4372 on Jan 18, 2019 12:24:46 GMT
This may need fact-checking. Did not support comprehensive education, then decide that it was not good enough for her own child?
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Post by 4372 on Jan 18, 2019 12:59:50 GMT
I have done check now. Sent her son to a Private School.
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Post by M on Jan 18, 2019 13:39:10 GMT
The most abused MP in the history of Parliament Racist Abuse Sexist Abuse Threats of violence Death Threats She's number one in them all. You don't see much about it do you. I love that she is the target for abuse at mixing up numbers (to be fair they have a lot of numbers to remember but still should be accurate or just say they don't know off the top of their head) with criticisms of "but it's her job to remember these" but when times like the Chancellor of the Exchequer who's primary job is actually numbers gets the cost of HS2 wrong by 20billion (yes twenty billion pounds wrong) there is virtually no fan fare about it. So little fan fare in fact that the majority of people who criticise her figures probably didn't even know that he publicly said that and got it so wrong...
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Post by felonious on Jan 18, 2019 14:24:37 GMT
The most abused MP in the history of Parliament Racist Abuse Sexist Abuse Threats of violence Death Threats She's number one in them all. You don't see much about it do you. I love that she is the target for abuse at mixing up numbers (to be fair they have a lot of numbers to remember but still should be accurate or just say they don't know off the top of their head) with criticisms of "but it's her job to remember these" but when times like the Chancellor of the Exchequer who's primary job is actually numbers gets the cost of HS2 wrong by 20billion (yes twenty billion pounds wrong) there is virtually no fan fare about it. So little fan fare in fact that the majority of people who criticise her figures probably didn't even know that he publicly said that and got it so wrong... Most people know that Bobbies want more than 10 bob a week though?
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Post by M on Jan 18, 2019 14:34:05 GMT
I love that she is the target for abuse at mixing up numbers (to be fair they have a lot of numbers to remember but still should be accurate or just say they don't know off the top of their head) with criticisms of "but it's her job to remember these" but when times like the Chancellor of the Exchequer who's primary job is actually numbers gets the cost of HS2 wrong by 20billion (yes twenty billion pounds wrong) there is virtually no fan fare about it. So little fan fare in fact that the majority of people who criticise her figures probably didn't even know that he publicly said that and got it so wrong... Most people know that Bobbies want more than 10 bob a week though? I'm glad that we're not spunking an extra 20 billion away for something too. Mistake it was, it doesn't mean he is as incapable of doing his job as she is hers. Reality is all MP's make mistakes with numbers but the difference is how it is viewed by different politicians of different parties and it borders on laughable how highly targeted she is. What is worse, mistakes like that or bare faced lies that saw Rudd for example recently being removed from Home Secretary who subsequently found her way back on the cabinet just months later?
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Post by thevoid on Jan 18, 2019 14:35:40 GMT
The most abused MP in the history of Parliament Racist Abuse Sexist Abuse Threats of violence Death Threats She's number one in them all. You don't see much about it do you. In the history of Parliament? A little bit skewed considering social media's a relatively recent invention. But can we agree she's shit at her job, is out of her depth and has made racist comments herself?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2019 14:41:57 GMT
Love her or loathe her, I feel she is an old school MP who got into the job because she wanted to represent the people that she represents. I feel she is given a hard time because she's not camera-savvy and never will be. Itās a little more than...ā not camera-savvyā donāt you think
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Post by felonious on Jan 18, 2019 14:43:37 GMT
Most people know that Bobbies want more than 10 bob a week though? I'm glad that we're not spunking an extra 20 billion away for something too. Mistake it was, it doesn't mean he is as incapable of doing his job as she is hers. Reality is all MP's make mistakes with numbers but the difference is how it is viewed by different politicians of different parties and it borders on laughable how highly targeted she is. What is worse, mistakes like that or bare faced lies that saw Rudd for example recently being removed from Home Secretary who subsequently found her way back on the cabinet just months later? The problem with Diane Abbott is that she sounds completely out of her depth when questioned on any matter which is disastrous for an MP let alone a shadow home secretary. Her responses to questioning sound like someone with no grasp of the subject matter, thinking on the hoof.
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Post by harryburrows on Jan 18, 2019 14:44:36 GMT
Love her or loathe her, I feel she is an old school MP who got into the job because she wanted to represent the people that she represents. I feel she is given a hard time because she's not camera-savvy and never will be. Itās a little more than...ā it camera savvyā donāt you think She gets a hard time because she's thick as a plank
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 18, 2019 14:57:27 GMT
Maybe she should just lie like Boris Johnson who said today he's "not someone who deprecates other countries and cultures".
He's previously referred to black people as "piccaninnies", suggested the people of Papua New Guinea are cannibals, wrote a poem suggesting the Prime Minister of Turkey has sex with goats and compared burqa wearing women to letterboxes and bank robbers.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2019 15:07:30 GMT
Love her or loathe her, I feel she is an old school MP who got into the job because she wanted to represent the people that she represents. I feel she is given a hard time because she's not camera-savvy and never will be. Itās a little more than...ā not camera-savvyā donāt you think No, I think she is completely useless from a PR perspective but that shouldn't really matter, though such is the world that we live in with round the clock news and social media. I'd also hazard a guess you have to be supremely talented to be admitted to Oxbridge as a black woman in the 70s. I can't see there being any nepotism involved either given her background.
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Post by M on Jan 18, 2019 15:12:58 GMT
I'm glad that we're not spunking an extra 20 billion away for something too. Mistake it was, it doesn't mean he is as incapable of doing his job as she is hers. Reality is all MP's make mistakes with numbers but the difference is how it is viewed by different politicians of different parties and it borders on laughable how highly targeted she is. What is worse, mistakes like that or bare faced lies that saw Rudd for example recently being removed from Home Secretary who subsequently found her way back on the cabinet just months later? The problem with Diane Abbott is that she sounds completely out of her depth when questioned on any matter which is disastrous for an MP let alone a shadow home secretary. Her responses to questioning sound like someone with no grasp of the subject matter, thinking on the hoof. She is flawed, not perfect, like many others. But when it comes to one of the biggest political scandals of the modern age in the Windrush scandal, she has been superb and pretty much the only MP to come out of it with any credit at all. She's also grown her majority in her constituency to 75% of the votes so who she represents would clearly disagree. I'd take someone who bumbles her lines over someone who makes theirs up any day of the week.
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Post by pearo on Jan 18, 2019 15:25:52 GMT
The most abused MP in the history of Parliament Racist Abuse Sexist Abuse Threats of violence Death Threats She's number one in them all. You don't see much about it do you. She should stop making them then.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jan 18, 2019 15:43:12 GMT
No doubt she has become a bit of a potential disaster for Labour every time she appears in the media. If you see some old videos of her, she was an impressive speaker - but time seems to be catching up with her now.
Only thing I've always wondered is why everyone laughs when Boris Johnson makes the same sort of embarrassing gaffes, but are incredulous when Abbott makes them.
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Post by M on Jan 18, 2019 15:50:27 GMT
No doubt she has become a bit of a potential disaster for Labour every time she appears in the media. If you see some old videos of her, she was an impressive speaker - but time seems to be catching up with her now. Only thing I've always wondered is why everyone laughs when Boris Johnson makes the same sort of embarrassing gaffes, but are incredulous when Abbott makes them. I wonder... Below is copied by someone who was in the audience of Question Time. Makes you think why... New presenter Fiona Bruce came out to address the audience. Hailed for her performance from the week before by fans, and after happily approving of the sycophantic praise that she was being adorned with from some quarters, Bruce proceeded to warm up the crowd. I am aware that this was indeed a tradition with former host David Dimbleby, and audience members were encouraged to participate as vocally and enthusiastically as possible. Nothing wrong with that, an exercise in democracy it would seem. However, it was at this moment in time that the real hostility towards Diane Abbott became evident. Each panelist was given a brief bio; Rory Stewart ā a member of the Government, Kirsty Blackman ā SNP and a remainer, Isabel Oakershott ā ardent brexiteer and Anand Menon ā academic expert on the EU. When Fiona Bruce introduced Diane Abbott, Labourās Shadow Home Secretary, she took it upon herself to instigate a roast. Comments along the lines of ālet her know what you really thinkā and āsome may think she is in the shadow cabinet because of her very close relationships with Corbyn, nudge nudge, wink winkā were made. This indeed had the desired effect, and the carefully selected audience guffawed in delight as they had now been given licence to air their bigoted views in public. An audience member in a pinstripe suit commented āIām going to ask her to do a sum, but she will just claim its discrimination Iām sure.ā This level of deliberate antagonism from the BBC is a disgrace, and the institution now desperately needs to be held to account. Now these terms were set, the now legitimised hostility became all too clear. A brief practice session took place, where the most reactionary members of the audience were identified so that they could be returned to during the show. Diane was given the cold shoulder as the other panelists chatted together chummily, and she was spoken over as if she did not exist. During the debate, the Shadow Home Secretary was interrupted by Fiona Bruce more times in three minutes that the others were in twenty. Audience members barracked and abused her, questioned her legitimacy and jeered, empowered by the licence they felt they had been granted by the BBC to do so. Sympathisers such as myself were simply ignored. At one-point Fiona Bruce and Isabel Oakeshott ganged up like playground bullies to ridicule Diane Abbott over Labourās polling, both making statements later proven to be false. BBCās Question time is portrayed as a truly democratic spectacle, where the public can engage members of the Government and Opposition, as well as leaders of their field. In reality, it is far from it. It is a farcical stage-managed state propaganda tool in which the BBC use and legitimise institutional racism, misogyny and bigotry to stoke up reactionary sentiment amongst the general population. At the very least the BBC needs to be reformed and we must build a new media. This cannot be done soon enough.
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Post by lancashirelad on Jan 18, 2019 16:50:47 GMT
I used to enjoy QT but it sadly to me became a toxic program and appeared to lean to a certain political sway. I have not watched it for over a year but when it came on after the news last night I watched it for half an hour.
Fiona Bruce seemed good and i was slightly surprised that the audience was more balanced and allowed to object and applaud but sadly Diane Abbott was a shell of her former self. She has never been a person i have agreed with but respected her for her fight for local issues in her early political career.
I was chatting this morning to a guy who used to be involved in local politics as an independent who also watched for the first time in over a year who said on social media lots of awful jokes were being made about Abbott.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jan 18, 2019 16:52:05 GMT
No doubt she has become a bit of a potential disaster for Labour every time she appears in the media. If you see some old videos of her, she was an impressive speaker - but time seems to be catching up with her now. Only thing I've always wondered is why everyone laughs when Boris Johnson makes the same sort of embarrassing gaffes, but are incredulous when Abbott makes them. Abbott was awful again on Question Time, yesterday, and Johnsonās speech was terrible today.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 18, 2019 16:54:09 GMT
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jan 18, 2019 17:03:05 GMT
No doubt she has become a bit of a potential disaster for Labour every time she appears in the media. If you see some old videos of her, she was an impressive speaker - but time seems to be catching up with her now. Only thing I've always wondered is why everyone laughs when Boris Johnson makes the same sort of embarrassing gaffes, but are incredulous when Abbott makes them. I wonder... Below is copied by someone who was in the audience of Question Time. Makes you think why... New presenter Fiona Bruce came out to address the audience. Hailed for her performance from the week before by fans, and after happily approving of the sycophantic praise that she was being adorned with from some quarters, Bruce proceeded to warm up the crowd. I am aware that this was indeed a tradition with former host David Dimbleby, and audience members were encouraged to participate as vocally and enthusiastically as possible. Nothing wrong with that, an exercise in democracy it would seem. However, it was at this moment in time that the real hostility towards Diane Abbott became evident. Each panelist was given a brief bio; Rory Stewart ā a member of the Government, Kirsty Blackman ā SNP and a remainer, Isabel Oakershott ā ardent brexiteer and Anand Menon ā academic expert on the EU. When Fiona Bruce introduced Diane Abbott, Labourās Shadow Home Secretary, she took it upon herself to instigate a roast. Comments along the lines of ālet her know what you really thinkā and āsome may think she is in the shadow cabinet because of her very close relationships with Corbyn, nudge nudge, wink winkā were made. This indeed had the desired effect, and the carefully selected audience guffawed in delight as they had now been given licence to air their bigoted views in public. An audience member in a pinstripe suit commented āIām going to ask her to do a sum, but she will just claim its discrimination Iām sure.ā This level of deliberate antagonism from the BBC is a disgrace, and the institution now desperately needs to be held to account. Now these terms were set, the now legitimised hostility became all too clear. A brief practice session took place, where the most reactionary members of the audience were identified so that they could be returned to during the show. Diane was given the cold shoulder as the other panelists chatted together chummily, and she was spoken over as if she did not exist. During the debate, the Shadow Home Secretary was interrupted by Fiona Bruce more times in three minutes that the others were in twenty. Audience members barracked and abused her, questioned her legitimacy and jeered, empowered by the licence they felt they had been granted by the BBC to do so. Sympathisers such as myself were simply ignored. At one-point Fiona Bruce and Isabel Oakeshott ganged up like playground bullies to ridicule Diane Abbott over Labourās polling, both making statements later proven to be false. BBCās Question time is portrayed as a truly democratic spectacle, where the public can engage members of the Government and Opposition, as well as leaders of their field. In reality, it is far from it. It is a farcical stage-managed state propaganda tool in which the BBC use and legitimise institutional racism, misogyny and bigotry to stoke up reactionary sentiment amongst the general population. At the very least the BBC needs to be reformed and we must build a new media. This cannot be done soon enough. Sorry, but I think that is bollocks. She was embarrassing and deserved ridicule. All she did was evade questions. She is no victim, in fact she is the one who sneers at other people.
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Post by yeokel on Jan 18, 2019 17:03:14 GMT
I used to enjoy QT but it sadly to me became a toxic program and appeared to lean to a certain political sway. I have not watched it for over a year but when it came on after the news last night I watched it for half an hour. Fiona Bruce seemed good and i was slightly surprised that the audience was more balanced and allowed to object and applaud but sadly Diane Abbott was a shell of her former self. She has never been a person i have agreed with but respected her for her fight for local issues in her early political career. I was chatting this morning to a guy who used to be involved in local politics as an independent who also watched for the first time in over a year who said on social media lots of awful jokes were being made about Abbott. In the early days of her (Abbott) appearances on āThis Weekā with Andrew Neil and Michael Portillo she used to be a reasonably engaging speaker however she seemed to start losing the plot five or six years ago and was gradually phased out of the programme. And, in her occasional appearances since, has been somewhat ridiculed. Most of the times Iāve seen her on TV recently, including QT last night, she does seem to have lost some of her edge and, indeed, some of her ability to keep up with the argument. Perhaps that is just the clips that get shown, but it is quite sad to see. If the quote posted by āMā earlier about the QT warm-up is true, it is quite disturbing and not how I've imagined the BBC would treat any guest appearing on their shows (particularly one who ticks as many boxes as she does for them).
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Post by 4372 on Jan 18, 2019 17:08:17 GMT
I can believe a lot of what you have written M. I am not a fan of the lady,but there was one man in the audience last night (on TV) who was allowed 30 second rant at her, not at her politics. I thought FB could have and should have stepped in then.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jan 18, 2019 17:08:26 GMT
I used to enjoy QT but it sadly to me became a toxic program and appeared to lean to a certain political sway. I have not watched it for over a year but when it came on after the news last night I watched it for half an hour. Fiona Bruce seemed good and i was slightly surprised that the audience was more balanced and allowed to object and applaud but sadly Diane Abbott was a shell of her former self. She has never been a person i have agreed with but respected her for her fight for local issues in her early political career. I was chatting this morning to a guy who used to be involved in local politics as an independent who also watched for the first time in over a year who said on social media lots of awful jokes were being made about Abbott. In the early days of her (Abbott) appearances on āThis Weekā with Andrew Neil and Michael Portillo she used to be a reasonably engaging speaker however she seemed to start losing the plot five or six years ago and was gradually phased out of the programme. And, in her occasional appearances since, has been somewhat ridiculed. Most of the times Iāve seen her on TV recently, including QT last night, she does seem to have lost some of her edge and, indeed, some of her ability to keep up with the argument. Perhaps that is just the clips that get shown, but it is quite sad to see. If the quote posted by āMā earlier about the QT warm-up is true, it is quite disturbing and not how I've imagined the BBC would treat any guest appearing on their shows. Saying that Chairman Mao did more good than harm did her no favours.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jan 18, 2019 17:13:46 GMT
And bear in mind the abuse and ridicule Farage has had from the mainstream media over the years, which has been actively encouraged.
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Post by mattyd on Jan 18, 2019 17:23:23 GMT
Maybe she should just lie like Boris Johnson who said today he's "not someone who deprecates other countries and cultures". He's previously referred to black people as "piccaninnies", suggested the people of Papua New Guinea are cannibals, wrote a poem suggesting the Prime Minister of Turkey has sex with goats and compared burqa wearing women to letterboxes and bank robbers. Don't suppose you have a copy of the poem, sounds fucking great.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jan 18, 2019 17:31:28 GMT
No doubt she has become a bit of a potential disaster for Labour every time she appears in the media. If you see some old videos of her, she was an impressive speaker - but time seems to be catching up with her now. Only thing I've always wondered is why everyone laughs when Boris Johnson makes the same sort of embarrassing gaffes, but are incredulous when Abbott makes them. I wonder... Below is copied by someone who was in the audience of Question Time. Makes you think why... New presenter Fiona Bruce came out to address the audience. Hailed for her performance from the week before by fans, and after happily approving of the sycophantic praise that she was being adorned with from some quarters, Bruce proceeded to warm up the crowd. I am aware that this was indeed a tradition with former host David Dimbleby, and audience members were encouraged to participate as vocally and enthusiastically as possible. Nothing wrong with that, an exercise in democracy it would seem. However, it was at this moment in time that the real hostility towards Diane Abbott became evident. Each panelist was given a brief bio; Rory Stewart ā a member of the Government, Kirsty Blackman ā SNP and a remainer, Isabel Oakershott ā ardent brexiteer and Anand Menon ā academic expert on the EU. When Fiona Bruce introduced Diane Abbott, Labourās Shadow Home Secretary, she took it upon herself to instigate a roast. Comments along the lines of ālet her know what you really thinkā and āsome may think she is in the shadow cabinet because of her very close relationships with Corbyn, nudge nudge, wink winkā were made. This indeed had the desired effect, and the carefully selected audience guffawed in delight as they had now been given licence to air their bigoted views in public. An audience member in a pinstripe suit commented āIām going to ask her to do a sum, but she will just claim its discrimination Iām sure.ā This level of deliberate antagonism from the BBC is a disgrace, and the institution now desperately needs to be held to account. Now these terms were set, the now legitimised hostility became all too clear. A brief practice session took place, where the most reactionary members of the audience were identified so that they could be returned to during the show. Diane was given the cold shoulder as the other panelists chatted together chummily, and she was spoken over as if she did not exist. During the debate, the Shadow Home Secretary was interrupted by Fiona Bruce more times in three minutes that the others were in twenty. Audience members barracked and abused her, questioned her legitimacy and jeered, empowered by the licence they felt they had been granted by the BBC to do so. Sympathisers such as myself were simply ignored. At one-point Fiona Bruce and Isabel Oakeshott ganged up like playground bullies to ridicule Diane Abbott over Labourās polling, both making statements later proven to be false. BBCās Question time is portrayed as a truly democratic spectacle, where the public can engage members of the Government and Opposition, as well as leaders of their field. In reality, it is far from it. It is a farcical stage-managed state propaganda tool in which the BBC use and legitimise institutional racism, misogyny and bigotry to stoke up reactionary sentiment amongst the general population. At the very least the BBC needs to be reformed and we must build a new media. This cannot be done soon enough. That last bit is even bigger bollocks. I have watched Question Time for 35 years, and it's got more and more left leaning recently. The audiences are usually very biased towards Labour. Never heard a cheer like that for anything pro Brexit, as I said to Rip, earlier. Doubtless this will be rectified from next week.
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Post by thevoid on Jan 18, 2019 18:09:44 GMT
What time was she on anyway, 70 minutes past oneteen?
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