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Post by thevoid on Jan 18, 2019 18:14:57 GMT
No doubt she has become a bit of a potential disaster for Labour every time she appears in the media. If you see some old videos of her, she was an impressive speaker - but time seems to be catching up with her now. Only thing I've always wondered is why everyone laughs when Boris Johnson makes the same sort of embarrassing gaffes, but are incredulous when Abbott makes them. I wonder... Below is copied by someone who was in the audience of Question Time. Makes you think why... New presenter Fiona Bruce came out to address the audience. Hailed for her performance from the week before by fans, and after happily approving of the sycophantic praise that she was being adorned with from some quarters, Bruce proceeded to warm up the crowd. I am aware that this was indeed a tradition with former host David Dimbleby, and audience members were encouraged to participate as vocally and enthusiastically as possible. Nothing wrong with that, an exercise in democracy it would seem. However, it was at this moment in time that the real hostility towards Diane Abbott became evident. Each panelist was given a brief bio; Rory Stewart â a member of the Government, Kirsty Blackman â SNP and a remainer, Isabel Oakershott â ardent brexiteer and Anand Menon â academic expert on the EU. When Fiona Bruce introduced Diane Abbott, Labourâs Shadow Home Secretary, she took it upon herself to instigate a roast. Comments along the lines of âlet her know what you really thinkâ and âsome may think she is in the shadow cabinet because of her very close relationships with Corbyn, nudge nudge, wink winkâ were made. This indeed had the desired effect, and the carefully selected audience guffawed in delight as they had now been given licence to air their bigoted views in public. An audience member in a pinstripe suit commented âIâm going to ask her to do a sum, but she will just claim its discrimination Iâm sure.â This level of deliberate antagonism from the BBC is a disgrace, and the institution now desperately needs to be held to account. Now these terms were set, the now legitimised hostility became all too clear. A brief practice session took place, where the most reactionary members of the audience were identified so that they could be returned to during the show. Diane was given the cold shoulder as the other panelists chatted together chummily, and she was spoken over as if she did not exist. During the debate, the Shadow Home Secretary was interrupted by Fiona Bruce more times in three minutes that the others were in twenty. Audience members barracked and abused her, questioned her legitimacy and jeered, empowered by the licence they felt they had been granted by the BBC to do so. Sympathisers such as myself were simply ignored. At one-point Fiona Bruce and Isabel Oakeshott ganged up like playground bullies to ridicule Diane Abbott over Labourâs polling, both making statements later proven to be false. BBCâs Question time is portrayed as a truly democratic spectacle, where the public can engage members of the Government and Opposition, as well as leaders of their field. In reality, it is far from it. It is a farcical stage-managed state propaganda tool in which the BBC use and legitimise institutional racism, misogyny and bigotry to stoke up reactionary sentiment amongst the general population. At the very least the BBC needs to be reformed and we must build a new media. This cannot be done soon enough. So you're saying the Beeb's right wing?
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Post by thevoid on Jan 18, 2019 18:16:30 GMT
Maybe she should just lie like Boris Johnson who said today he's "not someone who deprecates other countries and cultures". He's previously referred to black people as "piccaninnies", suggested the people of Papua New Guinea are cannibals, wrote a poem suggesting the Prime Minister of Turkey has sex with goats and compared burqa wearing women to letterboxes and bank robbers. Don't suppose you have a copy of the poem, sounds fucking great. I thought Pam Ayres wrote that one.
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Post by salopstick on Jan 18, 2019 18:30:11 GMT
Love her or loathe her, I feel she is an old school MP who got into the job because she wanted to represent the people that she represents. I feel she is given a hard time because she's not camera-savvy and never will be. But once in the job becomes as self serving and hypocritical as the rest of them.
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 18, 2019 20:27:57 GMT
The most abused MP in the history of Parliament Racist Abuse Sexist Abuse Threats of violence Death Threats She's number one in them all. You don't see much about it do you. The Corbyn cult fan club dont like her then either ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2019 23:10:30 GMT
From a story in the Grauniad - can't do the link at the moment.
I see Abbott has now accused the BBC of "legitimising racism" !
This is because she claims she was interrupted and mocked more than other panellists on Thursday's Question Time - because she's black !
Momentum are also demanding that the Beeb apologise to Abbott.
There's no mention of Abbott's bloody awful performance on the programme which just may have had something to do with the audience reaction.
Unbelievable !
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Post by murphthesurf on Jan 18, 2019 23:51:17 GMT
Ye Gods. She's a fiasco on legs.
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Post by auntiegeorge on Jan 19, 2019 0:15:54 GMT
Gave up watching QT several years ago due to the obvious bias. It's all a load of hot air anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 0:30:26 GMT
I love that she is the target for abuse at mixing up numbers (to be fair they have a lot of numbers to remember but still should be accurate or just say they don't know off the top of their head) with criticisms of "but it's her job to remember these" but when times like the Chancellor of the Exchequer who's primary job is actually numbers gets the cost of HS2 wrong by 20billion (yes twenty billion pounds wrong) there is virtually no fan fare about it. So little fan fare in fact that the majority of people who criticise her figures probably didn't even know that he publicly said that and got it so wrong... Most people know that Bobbies want more than 10 bob a week though? They say that in the police force the pay is very fine They give you 30 shillings and take back 29 oh oh what a rotten song, what a rotten singer too.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 0:38:04 GMT
I have been to Question Time 3 times over the years. It is entirely staged managed and not worth watching. Any questions on Radio 4 is much more worth listening too.
However for the best value listen to Any Answers on Saturday morning. You will get the evening before show and then listeners comments. Try it.
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Post by murphthesurf on Jan 19, 2019 0:41:11 GMT
Gave up watching QT several years ago due to the obvious bias. It's all a load of hot air anyway. Exactly the same here, Auntie.
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 19, 2019 4:37:01 GMT
The most abused MP in the history of Parliament Racist Abuse Sexist Abuse Threats of violence Death Threats She's number one in them all. You don't see much about it do you. Firstly, âthe most abused in the history of parliamentâ [300+ years] is impossible to qualify and more than a little hyperbolic in light of the fact that many MPs have been physically attacked and killed, in recent memory too. Not sure that statement would sit too well with Jo Coxâs family. Secondly, dare me to search your profile for the word âThatcherâ. go on dare me
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 19, 2019 9:48:21 GMT
The most abused MP in the history of Parliament Racist Abuse Sexist Abuse Threats of violence Death Threats She's number one in them all. You don't see much about it do you. Firstly, âthe most abused in the history of parliamentâ [300+ years] is impossible to qualify and more than a little hyperbolic in light of the fact that many MPs have been physically attacked and killed, in recent memory too. Not sure that statement would sit too well with Jo Coxâs family. Secondly, dare me to search your profile for the word âThatcherâ. go on dare me It's not hyperbolic at all. These things are measured. Of course I should have said since these things have been measured. I'll find the link when I be arsed. Of course its nothing to do with her being a black middle aged woman. Nothing at all!
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 19, 2019 10:25:03 GMT
I went & had a look on the iPlayer to see what the fuss was about. There was an audience of Derby ram $#@&&ers, some old bloke with a massive hoop ear ring doing a George Michael impression, a woman who needed her roots doing, a bloke that looked like the midgety boss off the Incredibles & a presenter past her sell by date. In future, if you donât like it switch it off...
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 19, 2019 11:56:53 GMT
From a story in the Grauniad - can't do the link at the moment. I see Abbott has now accused the BBC of "legitimising racism" ! This is because she claims she was interrupted and mocked more than other panellists on Thursday's Question Time - because she's black ! Momentum are also demanding that the Beeb apologise to Abbott. There's no mention of Abbott's bloody awful performance on the programme which just may have had something to do with the audience reaction. Unbelievable ! Yet sitting to the left of her was another fellow who was BAME who was not once laughed at despite mostly being in favour of remain could it possibly be people can see just see through lame self serving bollocks that Diane was dishing up. Even in labour heartlands like derby they see through labours none policy on brexit, jesus did you see her answer on the exact same benefits test, we only put that in because David Davis promised, kindergarden politics. The real crime the loons are going after fiona bruce for is mocking saint jeremy on his talk to the ira, hamas, hezbollah but not theresa may stance. Abbotts answer was anyway back to our brexit policy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 10:53:18 GMT
Dear me Diane stop bleating ! No mention of the fact that your performance was abysmal ! link
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 20, 2019 18:25:21 GMT
Dear me Diane stop bleating ! No mention of the fact that your performance was abysmal ! linkI actually watched it after reading this thread and Iâm not a snowflake either but Bruce should either be sacked or asked to produce her Conservative Party membership card so we all know where we stand. Itâs obvious that Dimbleby and Neil are Tories but I donât think it interferes with their jobs. A complete lack of professionalism.
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Post by 4372 on Jan 20, 2019 18:38:21 GMT
I think she deserves an apology, at least for the abuse she received on the broadcast show, and then not being allowed to respond. I was surprised that the bloke who verbally abused her was not asked to leave.
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Post by xchpotter on Jan 20, 2019 21:42:22 GMT
Classic case of deflecting your own deficiencies by having a pop at others, itâs the stuff you see in a playground.
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 20, 2019 22:34:55 GMT
Dear me Diane stop bleating ! No mention of the fact that your performance was abysmal ! linkI actually watched it after reading this thread and Iâm not a snowflake either but Bruce should either be sacked or asked to produce her Conservative Party membership card so we all know where we stand. Itâs obvious that Dimbleby and Neil are Tories but I donât think it interferes with their jobs. A complete lack of professionalism. There is actually something quite sinister the way corbyn approved mouthpieces go after members of the press to try and silence them and make sure they get an easy ride next time. The person who started the story is actually a labour staffer for even by labour standards their most odious mps Chris Williamson and of course one of Jezza's besties.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jan 20, 2019 23:04:15 GMT
If Diane Abbott was white she'd be stacking shelves at Tesco.
The reason she attracts so much abuse is because she talks so much shite.
And has made a career out of playing the race card against white people she doesn't like or agree with.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 7:15:25 GMT
Classic case of deflecting your own deficiencies by having a pop at others, itâs the stuff you see in a playground. I agree - her performance was absolutely abysmal. Her treatment though was no worse than numerous other guests have received from Dimbleby, the panel, or the audience in the past - Farage as just one example has been regularly ripped to pieces. I'm not sure about Abbott though as on Friday she was complaining that her treatment was "legitimising racism" because she's black (in the Guardian article), but now it seems Labour just want an apology because..... it was "unfair". Which is it ? Abbott has been on many programmes and interviews - LBC with Nick Ferrari, Andrew Marr just for starters - and has regularly been abysmal and QT was no different. It certainly wasn't because she's black ! The thought of her as Home Secretary should Corbyn get elected is truly frightening.
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Post by starkiller on Jan 21, 2019 7:33:54 GMT
From a story in the Grauniad - can't do the link at the moment. I see Abbott has now accused the BBC of "legitimising racism" ! This is because she claims she was interrupted and mocked more than other panellists on Thursday's Question Time - because she's black ! Momentum are also demanding that the Beeb apologise to Abbott. There's no mention of Abbott's bloody awful performance on the programme which just may have had something to do with the audience reaction. Unbelievable ! She was interrupted more, because she talked more and she was mocked more because she talks shit.
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Post by Waggy on Jan 21, 2019 8:08:22 GMT
Love her or loathe her, I feel she is an old school MP who got into the job because she wanted to represent the people that she represents. I feel she is given a hard time because she's not camera-savvy and never will be. Or she got the job by having intercourse with her leader
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Post by xchpotter on Jan 21, 2019 8:19:01 GMT
There are numerous interviews on You Tube where she presents pretty much the same. However, I came across some early stuff and although she still spouted the same rubbish, her delivery was quicker and her responses and whit sharper. I understand she has a a degree so she canât be completely thick (I know certain degrees are not necessarily an indicator of intelligence) but I do wonder whether there is perhaps an underlying medical issue. She just seems so slow and confused and compare her to Maggie or very recently Betty Boothroyd in the Lords where none of that pace and quick thinking was lost, and it just feels like something isnât right. If she is ill then she has my sympathy but deserves support from her party to determine if she needs to be exposed to the cut and thrust of politics.
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Post by auntiegeorge on Jan 21, 2019 8:38:47 GMT
The political scene in this country has turned really ugly in the last few years. The level of abuse directed at politicians of all parties has become unacceptable in a civilized society. Though politicians themselves are not without blame, this is to the detriment of us all. I find myself agreeing with the spirit (if not necessarily the precise words) of what sheikh has said. And I know that he and I are polar opposites, politically. But more than ever we need to learn how to live together for the common good; therefore I respect him for his deeply held views.
By all accounts Diane Abbott is an outstanding constituency MP. She has won internationally recognised awards for her speeches and political activities over four decades. She has been the continuously elected MP for Hackney North for 32 years, winning as much as 75% of the vote. That figure alone is truly staggering, even when you take into account the ethnic make-up of her constituency.
Though she may be a popular and successful MP, the bar is set much higher for ministers and shadow ministers. They are supposed to be the crème de la crème of parliamentarians. In this regard, Diane Abbott fails spectacularly. It could even be argued that, as a devoted Corbyn supporter, she found herself as Shadow Home Secretary by accident due to the mass resignations in 2016. Let's not forget that whilst there may be unrest in the Conservative party at the moment the Labour party was in turmoil in 2016.
In the end politicians almost always fail us. In this regard Diane Abbott is no better or no worse than the rest of them.
A final comment on Fiona Bruce. She is clearly the BBC's poster girl at the moment. Personally, I am sick of the sight of her. If you read her biography there is plenty of controversy and plenty to be concerned about.
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Post by 4372 on Jan 21, 2019 9:34:28 GMT
There are numerous interviews on You Tube where she presents pretty much the same. However, I came across some early stuff and although she still spouted the same rubbish, her delivery was quicker and her responses and whit sharper. I understand she has a a degree so she canât be completely thick (I know certain degrees are not necessarily an indicator of intelligence) but I do wonder whether there is perhaps an underlying medical issue. She just seems so slow and confused and compare her to Maggie or very recently Betty Boothroyd in the Lords where none of that pace and quick thinking was lost, and it just feels like something isnât right. If she is ill then she has my sympathy but deserves support from her party to determine if she needs to be exposed to the cut and thrust of politics. Largely agree with all this xch,and with the post below your's.
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 21, 2019 9:39:04 GMT
The political scene in this country has turned really ugly in the last few years. The level of abuse directed at politicians of all parties has become unacceptable in a civilized society. Though politicians themselves are not without blame, this is to the detriment of us all. I find myself agreeing with the spirit (if not necessarily the precise words) of what sheikh has said. And I know that he and I are polar opposites, politically. But more than ever we need to learn how to live together for the common good; therefore I respect him for his deeply held views. By all accounts Diane Abbott is an outstanding constituency MP. She has won internationally recognised awards for her speeches and political activities over four decades. She has been the continuously elected MP for Hackney North for 32 years, winning as much as 75% of the vote. That figure alone is truly staggering, even when you take into account the ethnic make-up of her constituency. Though she may be a popular and successful MP, the bar is set much higher for ministers and shadow ministers. They are supposed to be the crème de la crème of parliamentarians. In this regard, Diane Abbott fails spectacularly. It could even be argued that, as a devoted Corbyn supporter, she found herself as Shadow Home Secretary by accident due to the mass resignations in 2016. Let's not forget that whilst there may be unrest in the Conservative party at the moment the Labour party was in turmoil in 2016. In the end politicians almost always fail us. In this regard Diane Abbott is no better or no worse than the rest of them. A final comment on Fiona Bruce. She is clearly the BBC's poster girl at the moment. Personally, I am sick of the sight of her. If you read her biography there is plenty of controversy and plenty to be concerned about. All reasonable points however many people of my age and older remember her open support for the IRA her only comment on that was some bollocks about having a different hairdo than she does know just like her views. No apology and lets be honest corbyn, mcdonnell, livingstone and abbott dont ever change their views on anything.
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Post by mattyd on Jan 21, 2019 10:22:36 GMT
If Diane Abbott was white she'd be stacking shelves at Tesco. The reason she attracts so much abuse is because she talks so much shite. And has made a career out of playing the race card against white people she doesn't like or agree with. People bang on about how she has kept her seat for decades and continually increases her majority. You could put a monkey in that seat with a red rosette on and it would win...Oh hold on...err......ooops...My bad.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Jan 21, 2019 10:26:46 GMT
If Diane Abbott was white she'd be stacking shelves at Tesco. The reason she attracts so much abuse is because she talks so much shite. And has made a career out of playing the race card against white people she doesn't like or agree with. What absolute nonsense. Would you honestly trust her stacking shelves?
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Post by 4372 on Jan 21, 2019 12:35:00 GMT
If Diane Abbott was white she'd be stacking shelves at Tesco. The reason she attracts so much abuse is because she talks so much shite. And has made a career out of playing the race card against white people she doesn't like or agree with. People bang on about how she has kept her seat for decades and continually increases her majority. You could put a monkey in that seat with a red rosette on and it would win...Oh hold on...err......ooops...My bad. I'm sorry,I do not understand your post. Can you please clarify it at all?
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