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Post by 4372 on Jan 22, 2019 0:25:45 GMT
Hi Mermaidsal Apologies for any trouble my post may have caused you. I was responding to the earlier post. I was astounded, literally, that anyone would come on a forum with such ignorant attitudes,and I honestly did not want to believe the inference from the pos t in question. I was hoping that the poster had a less sinister thought in his mind, clearly not.
Anyway, Regards
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Post by mermaidsal on Jan 22, 2019 1:36:18 GMT
Sorry Sal, but what happened in QT for it to be construed as racism against Ms. Abbott ? Yes she was interrupted several times but IMO none of it was due to racism or her colour etc. She just wasn't very good at answering any of the questions or putting whatever her point was across to the panel or audience. See metal's point about Fiona cracking jokes at Abbott's expense in the warm-up - listen I agree she didn't cover herself in glory answering the questions or getting on a good wavelength with the audience - but then when someone's been so badly undermined from the start, how can anyone honestly see that straight?
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Post by mermaidsal on Jan 22, 2019 1:37:35 GMT
Hi Mermaidsal Apologies for any trouble my post may have caused you. I was responding to the earlier post. I was astounded, literally, that anyone would come on a forum with such ignorant attitudes,and I honestly did not want to believe the inference from the pos t in question. I was hoping that the poster had a less sinister thought in his mind, clearly not. Anyway, Regards np, my apologies right back for using your post to make a point you were kind of already making! x
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Post by salopstick on Jan 22, 2019 6:40:51 GMT
Sorry Sal, but what happened in QT for it to be construed as racism against Ms. Abbott ? Yes she was interrupted several times but IMO none of it was due to racism or her colour etc. She just wasn't very good at answering any of the questions or putting whatever her point was across to the panel or audience. See metal's point about Fiona cracking jokes at Abbott's expense in the warm-up - listen I agree she didn't cover herself in glory answering the questions or getting on a good wavelength with the audience - but then when someone's been so badly undermined from the start, how can anyone honestly see that straight? and yet still she goes back to that program time and again
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Post by thevoid on Jan 22, 2019 7:04:32 GMT
If Diane Abbott was white she'd be stacking shelves at Tesco. She's got a first class degree from Cambridge! What did she get, a 4:5?
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Post by felonious on Jan 22, 2019 7:05:32 GMT
To be fair, if it's true that Fiona Bruce was cracking jokes before the show had started, all of which were aimed at Abbott, then that's not impartial at all, is it? Yes, I openly admit to being a Labour voter, but I also routinely destroy Fat Abbott on here, so I'm not used to defending her. There's a number of people from the audience suggesting the whole lead-up to the show was about embarrassing her. To be honest, I find that surprising. You don't need to embarrass Abbott.... she fucking embarrasses herself every time she's put in the spotlight. She's comically shit at her job and even worse at trying to blag her way through these situations. Just give her the microphone for about 20 minutes and you'll be in stitches by the end. But, if any more clarification's needed, this one's exactly what fair comment's all about (right or wrong - I think she's better than alleged here but it's true she does blag shamefully sometimes, I'm a Labour supporter too, passionately anti-racist but would like to see her shadowing a less high-profile job for a while and someone from the next generation like Rebecca Long Bailey given the Shadow Home Sec role) Is she competent in your opinion Sal to be the next home secretary?
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 22, 2019 7:20:34 GMT
The most abused MP in the history of Parliament Racist Abuse Sexist Abuse Threats of violence Death Threats She's number one in them all. You don't see much about it do you. Surely Thathcher beats her as the most abused MP in the history of Parliament. Ok - maybe less so on the racist abuse, but on the rest I reckon she leaves DA way behind.
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 22, 2019 7:28:50 GMT
But, if any more clarification's needed, this one's exactly what fair comment's all about (right or wrong - I think she's better than alleged here but it's true she does blag shamefully sometimes, I'm a Labour supporter too, passionately anti-racist but would like to see her shadowing a less high-profile job for a while and someone from the next generation like Rebecca Long Bailey given the Shadow Home Sec role) Is she competent in your opinion Sal to be the next home secretary? Is the current Home Secretary competent to be the current Home Secretary? Or the last one. Or the one before that. For that matter, is the current PM competent to be the current PM. Competence seems to be something of a rarity in Parliament.
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Post by felonious on Jan 22, 2019 7:44:21 GMT
Is she competent in your opinion Sal to be the next home secretary? Is the current Home Secretary competent to be the current Home Secretary? Or the last one. Or the one before that. For that matter, is the current PM competent to be the current PM. Competence seems to be something of a rarity in Parliament. I suppose the question is would you prefer Diane Abbott to be the Home Secretary above the current one, or the last one or the one before that?
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 22, 2019 7:55:59 GMT
Just to say... I think great that this thread exists, fair comment's important even when it's bollocks... personally I'm thinking of asking for my licence fee back because of the covert and overt racism towards Abbott on QT and in the warm-up from Bruce, BBC news and current affairs get worse and worse, they may as well wear blue all the time... BUT, IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT, please be aware that (partly due to reports received) two posters now have 7 day bans and final permaban warnings for racism on this thread. we're pretty relaxed about drawing lines, the general rule is if it would happen in a non-EDL flat roofed pub then it's probably fine but there are times when lines must be drawn and this is one of them. x Well heard it now Looking back at that post can you detect a touch of double standards there There is absolute no proof of any racism having occurred by the bbc And to accuse the socialist luvies at the bbc of right wing biases is beyond parody They have consistently tried to embarrass every Tory and mp’s and government in living memory Whilst giving the Blair government a free ride
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 22, 2019 9:52:07 GMT
Is the current Home Secretary competent to be the current Home Secretary? Or the last one. Or the one before that. For that matter, is the current PM competent to be the current PM. Competence seems to be something of a rarity in Parliament. I suppose the question is would you prefer Diane Abbott to be the Home Secretary above the current one, or the last one or the one before that? True! And the answer is no. I'd rather she had no role in Government. Same goes for Mr Corbyn and his side kick shadow chancellor. . But the thing is she's been getting dogs abuse before she was in such a senior position. Maybe it's because she has had such a high media profile which she uses to promote some radical views which are bound to alienate folk. Maybe she is indeed the victim of broader racist mysogyny (by which I mean more than the being on the receiving end of the bile of wankers like the occasional one we have on here). Buggered if I know. I do think - back to Momo's earlier point which I'll amend slightly - I can't think of a politician who is more ridiculed than Diane Abbott. It's worth thinking about why that would be the case.
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Post by metalhead on Jan 22, 2019 10:00:57 GMT
Just to say... I think great that this thread exists, fair comment's important even when it's bollocks... personally I'm thinking of asking for my licence fee back because of the covert and overt racism towards Abbott on QT and in the warm-up from Bruce, BBC news and current affairs get worse and worse, they may as well wear blue all the time... BUT, IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT, please be aware that (partly due to reports received) two posters now have 7 day bans and final permaban warnings for racism on this thread. we're pretty relaxed about drawing lines, the general rule is if it would happen in a non-EDL flat roofed pub then it's probably fine but there are times when lines must be drawn and this is one of them. x Well heard it now Looking back at that post can you detect a touch of double standards there There is absolute no proof of any racism having occurred by the bbc And to accuse the socialist luvies at the bbc of right wing biases is beyond parody They have consistently tried to embarrass every Tory and mp’s and government in living memory Whilst giving the Blair government a free ride There is absolutely no question of the BBC when it comes to racism. If anything, the BBC are currently running the equivalent of some form of British affirmative action, especially with the 'BME only' jobs that were knocking around a few years ago. However, we're not talking about the BBC. We're talking about Question Time and specifically what happened to Diane Abbott last Thursday. If Fiona Bruce was cracking jokes about Abbott and Corbyn shagging 30 years ago, while the audience sat there howling, then you've immediately put her at an unfair disadvantage. I think it's Sal who said above: once someone is undermined so shamelessly, publicly and embarrassingly, others will naturally think "well, she's fair game"..... the questioning gets more hostile, the tone of voice gets more aggressive, people take her less seriously, it becomes okay to interrupt her etc. There are conflicting reports, with audience members claiming it happened, while other audience members claim it didn't...... If it did happen, then both Fiona Bruce and the BBC should be ashamed of themselves. I cannot stand Diane Abbott.... she's one of the reasons I get further and further away from the Labour party, but she's also a respected politician and doesn't deserve to be bullied. By all means, call her out on her gaffes, poor arithmetic, divisive comments about white people..... don't bully her because she happened to sleep with the current leader the Labour party in 1980.....
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Post by metalhead on Jan 22, 2019 10:10:24 GMT
I suppose the question is would you prefer Diane Abbott to be the Home Secretary above the current one, or the last one or the one before that? True! And the answer is no. I'd rather she had no role in Government. Same goes for Mr Corbyn and his side kick shadow chancellor. . But the thing is she's been getting dogs abuse before she was in such a senior position. Maybe it's because she has had such a high media profile which she uses to promote some radical views which are bound to alienate folk. Maybe she is indeed the victim of broader racist mysogyny (by which I mean more than the being on the receiving end of the bile of wankers like the occasional one we have on here). Buggered if I know. I do think - back to Momo's earlier point which I'll amend slightly - I can't think of a politician who is more ridiculed than Diane Abbott. It's worth thinking about why that would be the case. If we're going on females only, then it's neck and neck between Abbott and Thatcher. Not many politicians have had a website setup to celebrate their death: www.isthatcherdeadyet.co.uk/ The hard left held street parties to celebrate Thatcher's death.... If we're talking about in an active role, then it's not even close. Abbott gets ridiculed left, right and centre (no pun intended). Some of the stick she gets is absolutely deserved and she has to accept that. Not all criticism is racism/bullying. She has to accept that people have the right to challenge her views and opinions. When she got her sums wrong over policing, that was not a difficult or hostile interview. Nick Ferrari is a fat waste of space, but his questioning was neither antagonistic nor particularly aggressive, yet she absolutely shit herself and made an arse of it. Again, her handling of the private school thing (happened over 15 years ago) made her look very foolish in front of the British public. However, we need to judge this based on actual bullying and if the rumours regarding Fiona Bruce are true, then it's absolutely outrageous.
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 22, 2019 10:10:27 GMT
Well heard it now Looking back at that post can you detect a touch of double standards there There is absolute no proof of any racism having occurred by the bbc And to accuse the socialist luvies at the bbc of right wing biases is beyond parody They have consistently tried to embarrass every Tory and mp’s and government in living memory Whilst giving the Blair government a free ride There is absolutely no question of the BBC when it comes to racism. If anything, the BBC are currently running the equivalent of some form of British affirmative action, especially with the 'BME only' jobs that were knocking around a few years ago. However, we're not talking about the BBC. We're talking about Question Time and specifically what happened to Diane Abbott last Thursday. If Fiona Bruce was cracking jokes about Abbott and Corbyn shagging 30 years ago, while the audience sat there howling, then you've immediately put her at an unfair disadvantage. I think it's Sal who said above: once someone is undermined so shamelessly, publicly and embarrassingly, others will naturally think "well, she's fair game"..... the questioning gets more hostile, the tone of voice gets more aggressive, people take her less seriously, it becomes okay to interrupt her etc. There are conflicting reports, with audience members claiming it happened, while other audience members claim it didn't...... If it did happen, then both Fiona Bruce and the BBC should be ashamed of themselves. I cannot stand Diane Abbott.... she's one of the reasons I get further and further away from the Labour party, but she's also a respected politician and doesn't deserve to be bullied. By all means, call her out on her gaffes, poor arithmetic, divisive comments about white people..... don't bully her because she happened to sleep with the current leader the Labour party in 1980..... Interesting to see the BBC closing ranks on those alleged pre-show comments. However, because they are so serious and that the BBC cannot be trusted, the BBC should undertake an independent inquiry into this episode. Just a quick one mind - if they don't have recordings of this, they should get someone to interview everyone who was there and publish their findings. Shouldn't take more than a few weeks.
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Post by metalhead on Jan 22, 2019 10:17:33 GMT
There is absolutely no question of the BBC when it comes to racism. If anything, the BBC are currently running the equivalent of some form of British affirmative action, especially with the 'BME only' jobs that were knocking around a few years ago. However, we're not talking about the BBC. We're talking about Question Time and specifically what happened to Diane Abbott last Thursday. If Fiona Bruce was cracking jokes about Abbott and Corbyn shagging 30 years ago, while the audience sat there howling, then you've immediately put her at an unfair disadvantage. I think it's Sal who said above: once someone is undermined so shamelessly, publicly and embarrassingly, others will naturally think "well, she's fair game"..... the questioning gets more hostile, the tone of voice gets more aggressive, people take her less seriously, it becomes okay to interrupt her etc. There are conflicting reports, with audience members claiming it happened, while other audience members claim it didn't...... If it did happen, then both Fiona Bruce and the BBC should be ashamed of themselves. I cannot stand Diane Abbott.... she's one of the reasons I get further and further away from the Labour party, but she's also a respected politician and doesn't deserve to be bullied. By all means, call her out on her gaffes, poor arithmetic, divisive comments about white people..... don't bully her because she happened to sleep with the current leader the Labour party in 1980..... Interesting to see the BBC closing ranks on those alleged pre-show comments. However, because they are so serious and that the BBC cannot be trusted, the BBC should undertake an independent inquiry into this episode. Just a quick one mind - if they don't have recordings of this, they should get someone to interview everyone who was there and publish their findings. Shouldn't take more than a few weeks. I don't believe for one second there wasn't some recording going on pre-show. There are soundchecks, camera tests, level checks etc.... all while the audience are settling into their seats and I suspect this will have lasted 5-10 minutes... It's around this time that Fiona Bruce is accused of saying all these things about Abbott. I refuse to believe that the cameras aren't already rolling several minutes before the show goes to air. Imagine pressing Go at 10:45pm and the camera fails or blows a fuse? They would never risk that. Therefore, I suspect everything is firing well in advance of the show going out to broadcast. I fail to see why the BBC don't just release the footage, unless they have something to hide.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jan 22, 2019 10:19:17 GMT
I suppose the question is would you prefer Diane Abbott to be the Home Secretary above the current one, or the last one or the one before that? True! And the answer is no. I'd rather she had no role in Government. Same goes for Mr Corbyn and his side kick shadow chancellor. . But the thing is she's been getting dogs abuse before she was in such a senior position. Maybe it's because she has had such a high media profile which she uses to promote some radical views which are bound to alienate folk. Maybe she is indeed the victim of broader racist mysogyny (by which I mean more than the being on the receiving end of the bile of wankers like the occasional one we have on here). Buggered if I know. I do think - back to Momo's earlier point which I'll amend slightly - I can't think of a politician who is more ridiculed than Diane Abbott. It's worth thinking about why that would be the case. Because she is consistently ludicrous? I've watched QT for years, and seen Farage and many right wing MPs harangued week after week, and audiences full of lefties cheering every comment by Dimbleby and other guests. Where was the outcry, then? Now Diane Abbott gets some shit for being utterly inept, and everyone is up in arms? The one time I have seen the Brexit supporters getting the upper hand(and a hearing), and all the fuss is about Abbott and something supposedly being whipped up. Not buying it.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 22, 2019 10:24:14 GMT
Well heard it now Looking back at that post can you detect a touch of double standards there There is absolute no proof of any racism having occurred by the bbc And to accuse the socialist luvies at the bbc of right wing biases is beyond parody They have consistently tried to embarrass every Tory and mp’s and government in living memory Whilst giving the Blair government a free ride There is absolutely no question of the BBC when it comes to racism. If anything, the BBC are currently running the equivalent of some form of British affirmative action, especially with the 'BME only' jobs that were knocking around a few years ago. However, we're not talking about the BBC. We're talking about Question Time and specifically what happened to Diane Abbott last Thursday. If Fiona Bruce was cracking jokes about Abbott and Corbyn shagging 30 years ago, while the audience sat there howling, then you've immediately put her at an unfair disadvantage. I think it's Sal who said above: once someone is undermined so shamelessly, publicly and embarrassingly, others will naturally think "well, she's fair game"..... the questioning gets more hostile, the tone of voice gets more aggressive, people take her less seriously, it becomes okay to interrupt her etc. There are conflicting reports, with audience members claiming it happened, while other audience members claim it didn't...... If it did happen, then both Fiona Bruce and the BBC should be ashamed of themselves. I cannot stand Diane Abbott.... she's one of the reasons I get further and further away from the Labour party, but she's also a respected politician and doesn't deserve to be bullied. By all means, call her out on her gaffes, poor arithmetic, divisive comments about white people..... don't bully her because she happened to sleep with the current leader the Labour party in 1980..... The post I was replying to said the bbc might as well wear blue rosettes under no way has the bbc shown a right wing preference in the last fifty years It’s consistently peddled a left of center viewpoint
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 22, 2019 10:24:45 GMT
Interesting to see the BBC closing ranks on those alleged pre-show comments. However, because they are so serious and that the BBC cannot be trusted, the BBC should undertake an independent inquiry into this episode. Just a quick one mind - if they don't have recordings of this, they should get someone to interview everyone who was there and publish their findings. Shouldn't take more than a few weeks. I don't believe for one second there wasn't some recording going on pre-show. There are soundchecks, camera tests, level checks etc.... all while the audience are settling into their seats and I suspect this will have lasted 5-10 minutes... It's around this time that Fiona Bruce is accused of saying all these things about Abbott. I refuse to believe that the cameras aren't already rolling several minutes before the show goes to air. Imagine pressing Go at 10:45pm and the camera fails or blows a fuse? They would never risk that. Therefore, I suspect everything is firing well in advance of the show going out to broadcast. I fail to see why the BBC don't just release the footage, unless they have something to hide. It does make you wonder why they don't just release the footage.
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Post by salopstick on Jan 22, 2019 10:50:15 GMT
True! And the answer is no. I'd rather she had no role in Government. Same goes for Mr Corbyn and his side kick shadow chancellor. . But the thing is she's been getting dogs abuse before she was in such a senior position. Maybe it's because she has had such a high media profile which she uses to promote some radical views which are bound to alienate folk. Maybe she is indeed the victim of broader racist mysogyny (by which I mean more than the being on the receiving end of the bile of wankers like the occasional one we have on here). Buggered if I know. I do think - back to Momo's earlier point which I'll amend slightly - I can't think of a politician who is more ridiculed than Diane Abbott. It's worth thinking about why that would be the case. Because she is consistently ludicrous? I've watched QT for years, and seen Farage and many right wing MPs harangued week after week, and audiences full of lefties cheering every comment by Dimbleby and other guests. Where was the outcry, then? Now Diane Abbott gets some shit for being utterly inept, and everyone is up in arms? The one time I have seen the Brexit supporters getting the upper hand(and a hearing), and all the fuss is about Abbott and something supposedly being whipped up. Not buying it. nick Griffin and a left wing audience carefully selected for ethnicity was put on QT purely to make him look a dick He may be a dick but the bbc and qt have previous
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Post by yeokel on Jan 22, 2019 11:01:16 GMT
There is absolutely no question of the BBC when it comes to racism. If anything, the BBC are currently running the equivalent of some form of British affirmative action, especially with the 'BME only' jobs that were knocking around a few years ago. However, we're not talking about the BBC. We're talking about Question Time and specifically what happened to Diane Abbott last Thursday. If Fiona Bruce was cracking jokes about Abbott and Corbyn shagging 30 years ago, while the audience sat there howling, then you've immediately put her at an unfair disadvantage. I think it's Sal who said above: once someone is undermined so shamelessly, publicly and embarrassingly, others will naturally think "well, she's fair game"..... the questioning gets more hostile, the tone of voice gets more aggressive, people take her less seriously, it becomes okay to interrupt her etc. There are conflicting reports, with audience members claiming it happened, while other audience members claim it didn't...... If it did happen, then both Fiona Bruce and the BBC should be ashamed of themselves. I cannot stand Diane Abbott.... she's one of the reasons I get further and further away from the Labour party, but she's also a respected politician and doesn't deserve to be bullied. By all means, call her out on her gaffes, poor arithmetic, divisive comments about white people..... don't bully her because she happened to sleep with the current leader the Labour party in 1980..... The post I was replying to said the bbc might as well wear blue rosettes under no way has the bbc shown a right wing preference in the last fifty years It’s consistently peddled a left of center viewpoint I’m not sure that the BBC is either predominantly left or right. I think it just has a BBC agenda although I couldn’t state exactly what that is. Examples…… It gives grossly out of proportion coverage to homosexual and LBGT issues promoting such activities as if they are ‘enjoyed’ by a much higher proportion of the population than they actually are. It seems to give news coverage about African countries much more priority than many others. For example, I feel I know much more about what is going on in Zimbabwe at the moment than I do about any European country other than the UK, and the likes of India, Australasia, South America and others rarely get a look in. It seems to give undue weight to Jewish issues. Stephen Lawrence. The McCanns Mandella was 100% good Mugabe was 100% bad It detests Trump and gives huge priority to anti-Trump stories over pro-Trump stories. Clinton (and Obama previously) = 100% good Trump = 100% bad It is anti-Brexit and is a fully paid up member of Project Fear. (although, to be fair, it used to give Farage a lot of coverage but perhaps that was a kind of double bluff in as much as it thought he did more harm to his cause the more he was seen). Macron = Good Merkel = Good Putin = Bad These are just a few quickies off the top of my head but most are not simple left vs right issues. To my mind, the BBC has its own set of heroes and villains regardless of left/right. I rarely watch TV news but on the occasions I see do see it, ITV seems to offer a wider spread of coverage than the BBC although for all I know it too may have its preferences and leanings.
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Post by metalhead on Jan 22, 2019 11:37:53 GMT
I actually agree with your post, especially some of the ambiguity when it comes to the BBC hero vs villain policy..... but just to be clear Mugabe was 100% bad. The guy's a fucking villain.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 22, 2019 12:56:51 GMT
I actually agree with your post, especially some of the ambiguity when it comes to the BBC hero vs villain policy..... but just to be clear Mugabe was 100% bad. The guy's a fucking villain. Mugabe should be dragged to The Hague locked in a cell and wallow in his own piss and shit and put on charges of crimes against humanity Or on second thoughts save a couple of bob and put a burning tyre round his neck
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Post by dutchstokie on Jan 22, 2019 13:15:51 GMT
I actually agree with your post, especially some of the ambiguity when it comes to the BBC hero vs villain policy..... but just to be clear Mugabe was 100% bad. The guy's a fucking villain. Mugabe should be dragged to The Hague locked in a cell and wallow in his own piss and shit and put on charges of crimes against humanity Or on second thoughts save a couple of bob and put a burning tyre round his neck Or better still just bury him alive next to thee other shithouse Mandela. I love putting this ‘millennium generation’ straight over here when they stop me on the street asking to support ‘ the struggle’ of apartheid
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Post by shangamuzo on Jan 22, 2019 13:24:07 GMT
Off the top of my head I would say she didn't get a maths O' level.
If she has one redeeming feature it's that she doesn't appear to support a second referendum.
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Post by thevoid on Jan 22, 2019 13:37:42 GMT
Owen Jones gets dogs abuse on Twitter- is that racist?
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 22, 2019 13:41:46 GMT
I'm sorry,I do not understand your post. Can you please clarify it at all? 4372 are you serious??? Let me clarify: both the above posters are now banned for racism. Bit clearer for you? Completely agree the matt guy should be banned but he responded to wizard and you might not like what he says or agree with him but he said nothing racist.
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Post by thevoid on Jan 22, 2019 13:42:05 GMT
There is absolutely no question of the BBC when it comes to racism. If anything, the BBC are currently running the equivalent of some form of British affirmative action, especially with the 'BME only' jobs that were knocking around a few years ago. However, we're not talking about the BBC. We're talking about Question Time and specifically what happened to Diane Abbott last Thursday. If Fiona Bruce was cracking jokes about Abbott and Corbyn shagging 30 years ago, while the audience sat there howling, then you've immediately put her at an unfair disadvantage. I think it's Sal who said above: once someone is undermined so shamelessly, publicly and embarrassingly, others will naturally think "well, she's fair game"..... the questioning gets more hostile, the tone of voice gets more aggressive, people take her less seriously, it becomes okay to interrupt her etc. There are conflicting reports, with audience members claiming it happened, while other audience members claim it didn't...... If it did happen, then both Fiona Bruce and the BBC should be ashamed of themselves. I cannot stand Diane Abbott.... she's one of the reasons I get further and further away from the Labour party, but she's also a respected politician and doesn't deserve to be bullied. By all means, call her out on her gaffes, poor arithmetic, divisive comments about white people..... don't bully her because she happened to sleep with the current leader the Labour party in 1980..... The post I was replying to said the bbc might as well wear blue rosettes under no way has the bbc shown a right wing preference in the last fifty years It’s consistently peddled a left of center viewpoint Including basically being a Corbyn love-in before the last election. This just proves again that to the hard left, anyone or anything to the right of Trotsky may as well be Hitler.
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 22, 2019 13:48:13 GMT
Owen Jones gets dogs abuse on Twitter- is that racist? Is he Welsh?
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 22, 2019 14:08:01 GMT
Owen Jones gets dogs abuse on Twitter- is that racist? Is he Welsh? No he’s just a twat Maybe he can claim everybody is just being twatist
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 22, 2019 14:09:17 GMT
Owen Jones gets dogs abuse on Twitter- is that racist? No its homophobic you nazi (As owen doesn't read the oatcake I have responded as he would have done)
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