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Post by AlbertTatlock on Jan 12, 2019 20:41:07 GMT
Does he coat his gloves in vaseline before every match? Poor today - again. Gouranga.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 12, 2019 20:45:13 GMT
Not the same keeper after his injury with England. Shocking at commanding his area. I'd class him as an excellent shot stopper with a mistake in him. If we could get decent money I'd be happy for him to go. I rate Bego and Sorenson both as better keepers. I think he's let the whole England thing go to his head and he thinks he's doing us a favour. Needs to start doing his talking on the pitch too rather than twitter.
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Post by stokie23 on Jan 12, 2019 20:47:40 GMT
His value is dropping every game.
Cash in on him now if poss
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Post by southcoaststokie on Jan 12, 2019 20:54:35 GMT
He should never have conceded the corner that led to the first goal, making saves for the camera, our Gordon needs to show him how to make a ball stick, back in Gordon's day he used chewing gum.
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Post by DentySCFC on Jan 12, 2019 20:55:43 GMT
Vastly overrated and can’t hold a candle to Begovic (or a shot for that matter).
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Post by nott1 on Jan 12, 2019 21:00:41 GMT
I've seen Bert Williams,Yashin & Gordon Banks in their prime, and believe me Butland is a million miles away from their class.
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Post by onefatcopper on Jan 12, 2019 21:20:19 GMT
How many times does he push the ball around the post or one for the photographers ? Is it a criminal offence for goalkeepers to catch and hold the ball .
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Post by mrred on Jan 12, 2019 21:29:13 GMT
Vastly overrated and can’t hold a candle to Begovic (or a shot for that matter). I don't think he is overrated. Not anymore. He was a fucking brilliant goalkeeper the 2nd / 3rd season we was permanent number 1. Some of the saves he used to make were out of this world, and against world class efforts. But I haven't seen anyone fawning over him for a long time, which is justified because he's been largely fucking awful since his injury.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jan 12, 2019 21:30:33 GMT
He’s been a Championship keeper for two years.
His regression ties in with the entire clubs.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 21:33:13 GMT
He should never have conceded the corner that led to the first goal, making saves for the camera, our Gordon needs to show him how to make a ball stick, back in Gordon's day he used chewing gum. That weren't a camera save. It was a save of a bloke low on confidence. A confident keeper knows where his posts are and just leaves it. A keeper without confidence doesn't want to fuck up so tips it around the post, which was the right save, if it was on target. I know cus I've done it myself
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Post by southcoaststokie on Jan 12, 2019 21:41:59 GMT
He should never have conceded the corner that led to the first goal, making saves for the camera, our Gordon needs to show him how to make a ball stick, back in Gordon's day he used chewing gum. That weren't a camera save. It was a save of a bloke low on confidence. A confident keeper knows where his posts are and just leaves it. A keeper without confidence doesn't want to fuck up so tips it around the post, which was the right save, if it was on target. I know cus I've done it myself So you are saying that arguably the 2nd best English Goalkeeper atm could not have held on to that shot, the standard of English Goalkeepers must be at the lowest that it has ever been, I have never done it before, but I have coached quite a few keepers, and I would not have been happy with that effort.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 21:44:53 GMT
That weren't a camera save. It was a save of a bloke low on confidence. A confident keeper knows where his posts are and just leaves it. A keeper without confidence doesn't want to fuck up so tips it around the post, which was the right save, if it was on target. I know cus I've done it myself So you are saying that arguably the 2nd best English Goalkeeper atm could not have held on to that shot, the standard of English Goalkeepers must be at the lowest that it has ever been, I have never done it before, but I have coached quite a few keepers, and I would not have been happy with that effort. No. No. Butland in his prime leaves it. Butland now but with some confidence holds on to it. Butland not playing brilliantly and low on confidence does that. The corner was poor from him too. It practically drops at Williams feet in the 6 yard box. He should have dealt with it. But, I know how he feels.
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Post by onefatcopper on Jan 12, 2019 21:55:48 GMT
He should never have conceded the corner that led to the first goal, making saves for the camera, our Gordon needs to show him how to make a ball stick, back in Gordon's day he used chewing gum. That weren't a camera save. It was a save of a bloke low on confidence. A confident keeper knows where his posts are and just leaves it. A keeper without confidence doesn't want to fuck up so tips it around the post, which was the right save, if it was on target. I know cus I've done it myself If a shots comming in low towards either stick he always palms it around the post for safety, but isn’t that foolish because you’re inviting pressure back onto the defence from the resulting corner ? And let’s face it our defence can’t cope with pressure from corners !
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Post by southcoaststokie on Jan 12, 2019 21:58:02 GMT
So you are saying that arguably the 2nd best English Goalkeeper atm could not have held on to that shot, the standard of English Goalkeepers must be at the lowest that it has ever been, I have never done it before, but I have coached quite a few keepers, and I would not have been happy with that effort. No. No. Butland in his prime leaves it. Butland now but with some confidence holds on to it. Butland not playing brilliantly and low on confidence does that. The corner was poor from him too. It practically drops at Williams feet in the 6 yard box. He should have dealt with it. But, I know how he feels. Ok , I understand know what you were saying, I can maybe understand your thinking, and you could well be right, Jack makes some wonderful saves and is a very good shot stopper, I just can't help thinking ( and he is by no means the only one ) that he makes some saves look a lot harder than they actually are, some of the great goalkeepers mentioned earlier were great keepers because they made saves look easy.
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 12, 2019 22:01:37 GMT
I dread to think where we'd be without Butland this season.
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Post by harrysburrow on Jan 12, 2019 22:34:47 GMT
He’s been a Championship keeper for two years. His regression ties in with the entire clubs. That's very well put. 👍
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Post by jeycov on Jan 12, 2019 22:40:15 GMT
That weren't a camera save. It was a save of a bloke low on confidence. A confident keeper knows where his posts are and just leaves it. A keeper without confidence doesn't want to fuck up so tips it around the post, which was the right save, if it was on target. I know cus I've done it myself So you are saying that arguably the 2nd best English Goalkeeper atm could not have held on to that shot, the standard of English Goalkeepers must be at the lowest that it has ever been, I have never done it before, but I have coached quite a few keepers, and I would not have been happy with that effort. Of course he has the skills it’s his confidence that is lacking, in fact most of our players have low self esteem and are underperforming Shakey defence in front of him doesn’t help He does seem to have lost his ability to dominate the 6 yard box, wonder if he’ll still make the next England squad
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Post by sheds1862 on Jan 12, 2019 22:46:49 GMT
I hate the term ' he's a great shot stopper '
Isn't that the number fucking one criteria of being a goalkeeper ?
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Post by Gods on Jan 12, 2019 23:20:50 GMT
I hate the term ' he's a great shot stopper ' Isn't that the number fucking one criteria of being a goalkeeper ? I think its a polite way of saying a keeper is not able to do all the other things expected of a modern sweeper/keeper.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 23:25:02 GMT
Cash in if the offer comes. Federici is more than capable to fill the gap in the short term, whilst another is sourced.
I do think and offer would come in if in some way it got out there he could leave.
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Post by onionman on Jan 12, 2019 23:35:03 GMT
I hate the term ' he's a great shot stopper ' Isn't that the number fucking one criteria of being a goalkeeper ? I think its a polite way of saying a keeper is not able to do all the other things expected of a modern sweeper/keeper. And also deal with crosses, communicate effectively with his defenders and inspire confidence in the team, all qualities which old fashioned keepers like Tomas Sorensen had.
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Jan 13, 2019 1:06:36 GMT
We should give Federici a run in the side, he can’t be any worse.
I’m starting to think the only reason we don’t is because that would see Jacks value plummet even further.
I mentioned on another thread but what fee do we expect for him now? We’re notoriously poor at selling players. I think we’d have only got £25m when he was in top form, so in current form I’d say around £8m-£10m?
Very poor, I wish we’d have managed to keep hold of Grant.
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Post by wilcopotter on Jan 13, 2019 1:12:44 GMT
Not the same keeper after his injury with England. Shocking at commanding his area. I'd class him as an excellent shot stopper with a mistake in him. If we could get decent money I'd be happy for him to go. I rate Bego and Sorenson both as better keepers. I think he's let the whole England thing go to his head and he thinks he's doing us a favour. Needs to start doing his talking on the pitch too rather than twitter. 100% agree. He needs to move on.
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Post by jeycov on Jan 13, 2019 9:23:52 GMT
Southgate at the Burnley game, where Heaton had a good game
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2019 10:58:50 GMT
He needs to get his head out of his backside and put some good performances in. He’s not Jack Butland who is too good for Stoke and will eventually leave, he’s just Jack Butland. Absolutely shocking yesterday.
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Post by robboleek on Jan 13, 2019 11:07:46 GMT
Vastly overrated and can’t hold a candle to Begovic (or a shot for that matter). I don't think he is overrated. Not anymore. He was a fucking brilliant goalkeeper the 2nd / 3rd season we was permanent number 1. Some of the saves he used to make were out of this world, and against world class efforts. But I haven't seen anyone fawning over him for a long time, which is justified because he's been largely fucking awful since his injury. This is exactly why there was not even a whisper of him leaving in the summer or being linked with anybody this month. A championship keeper now without doubt....
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jan 13, 2019 11:11:46 GMT
If a decent bid came in they'd sell him. He needs a fresh start, but still a top keeper in my view
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2019 13:26:12 GMT
He won't be in the next England squad and that may wake him up
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jan 13, 2019 13:32:57 GMT
In today’s market he’s still worth £25 million.
Young, English and a keeper, those three things command a premium.
So I fully expect he’ll go for £7.5 million plus add ons that we’ll never get.
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Post by mrred on Jan 13, 2019 13:41:27 GMT
I do feel a pang of sympathy for him given the defence (or lack of) he's had infront of him for so long, bit he really has been off the boil since his England injury. Lacks a lot of character for me.
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