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Post by Bojan Mackey on Mar 28, 2019 15:20:10 GMT
Like balls Huth said any of that.
The real Huth would say the following:
“They’re all cunts”.
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Post by Okie Stokie. on Mar 28, 2019 15:42:14 GMT
Best of luck huthy, Thanks.
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 28, 2019 21:17:48 GMT
Yup, that's got Mark Hughes written all over it. Thanks huthy. Where's the bit about results improving for 3 and a half seasons? Once again, fans lapping up SHITE aimed at the club.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Mar 28, 2019 21:22:30 GMT
Yup, that's got Mark Hughes written all over it. Thanks huthy. Where's the bit about results improving for 3 and a half seasons? Once again, fans lapping up SHITE aimed at the club. Got lucky on the back of TP'S ten years of solid input, took a while to dilute the squad. MH got lucky at first by signing a few players of flair to add to the steel allready in place. It was though... a short term gain traded for long term pain 😉
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 28, 2019 21:31:05 GMT
Where's the bit about results improving for 3 and a half seasons? Once again, fans lapping up SHITE aimed at the club. Got lucky on the back of TP'S ten years of solid input, took a while to dilute the squad. MH got lucky at first by signing a few players of flair to add to the steel allready in place. It was though... a short term gain for long term pain 😉 Some might say identifying and signing “flair players to add to the steel already in place” and consequently achieving, three seasons running, placing in the table the previous regime could only dream of was exceptionally good squad analysis and team management. But you’re probably right it was just luck
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Post by berahinosgoals on Mar 28, 2019 21:32:05 GMT
Got lucky on the back of TP'S ten years of solid input, took a while to dilute the squad. MH got lucky at first by signing a few players of flair to add to the steel allready in place. It was though... a short term gain for long term pain 😉 Some might say identifying and signing “flair players to add to the steel already in place” and consequently achieving, three seasons running, placing in the table the previous regime could only dream of was exceptionally good squad analysis and team management. But you’re probably right it was just luck Totally agree, I'm probably right.
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Post by callas12 on Mar 28, 2019 23:43:43 GMT
People still defending Hughes even tho not one player who played under him at Stoke has said anything that goes in his favour to support him against the players who've raised issues with his management style.. or lack of it!
Arnie, Marc Wilson, Charlie Adam, Glen Johnson, Huth the list goes on of players who've had things to say or show about how standards slipped.. & whilst folk still keep harping on about the 3x 9th place finishes which yes at the time appeared to be successful seasons, on the face of it the rot was already setting in & the wheel was waiting to come off as it inevitably did do.
Been having a chat with a Southampton fan this evening interestingly enough & you can imagine how the conversation went there.. He'd heard the same down on the south coast regarding standards slipping under the Hughes management system. The difference being the Saints board clearly saw the same & reacted in a timely fashion to at least try to prevent the rot setting in & downward spiral towards certain relegation.
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Post by adi on Mar 29, 2019 0:00:34 GMT
One of my favourite all time Stoke players. He epitomised our team in the TP years. It’s a shame you had to shoe horn in TP, but sadly no where near unexpected.
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Post by adi on Mar 29, 2019 0:06:08 GMT
People still defending Hughes even tho not one player who played under him at Stoke has said anything that goes in his favour to support him against the players who've raised issues with his management style.. or lack of it! Arnie, Marc Wilson, Charlie Adam, Glen Johnson, Huth the list goes on of players who've had things to say or show about how standards slipped.. & whilst folk still keep harping on about the 3x 9th place finishes which yes at the time appeared to be successful seasons, on the face of it the rot was already setting in & the wheel was waiting to come off as it inevitably did do. Been having a chat with a Southampton fan this evening interestingly enough & you can imagine how the conversation went there.. He'd heard the same down on the south coast regarding standards slipping under the Hughes management system. The difference being the Saints board clearly saw the same & reacted in a timely fashion to at least try to prevent the rot setting in & downward spiral towards certain relegation. I’m by no means a fan of Hughes. I infact boycotted the ground until he went. Cheered his sacking in the pub. But you cant erase 9th, 9th, 9th. How he achieved it is a mystery given the outcry from the players after, and undoubtedly he lost the dressing room, but he achieved the best run in a generation. It’s an interesting query but let’s not embarrass ourselves by ignoring our great times.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 29, 2019 0:36:19 GMT
Got lucky on the back of TP'S ten years of solid input, took a while to dilute the squad. MH got lucky at first by signing a few players of flair to add to the steel allready in place. It was though... a short term gain for long term pain 😉 Some might say identifying and signing “flair players to add to the steel already in place” and consequently achieving, three seasons running, placing in the table the previous regime could only dream of was exceptionally good squad analysis and team management. But you’re probably right it was just luck Anyone walking into a team after TP would know that the squad will have a pretty solid defence, it wouldn't take a genius to analyse that. And then it was time to replace the solid foundation and he got found out, he did sign some great forward players, that can't be disputed, but he didn't have a clue what to do when the old guard needed replacing.
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 29, 2019 1:11:08 GMT
Some might say identifying and signing “flair players to add to the steel already in place” and consequently achieving, three seasons running, placing in the table the previous regime could only dream of was exceptionally good squad analysis and team management. But you’re probably right it was just luck Anyone walking into a team after TP would know that the squad will have a pretty solid defence, it wouldn't take a genius to analyse that. And then it was time to replace the solid foundation and he got found out, he did sign some great forward players, that can't be disputed, but he didn't have a clue what to do when the old guard needed replacing. It’s astounding how little credit Hughes is getting here. Architect of some of the best Stoke performances in at least one generation, if not two - check Constructed the most exciting and effective forward line most of us have ever seen - check Gave us pretty much our best run of finishes *ever*, over a period which was three or four times longer than most league managers last in a job at all - check And yet it’s all “doesn’t take a genius” or just plain luck, as farcically mentioned above. You know you can still criticise his later defects - he clearly wasn’t a particularly personable bloke and standards obviously slipped past the point of no return in the end - but it will be tragic if a guy who delivered some of many Stokies’ best memories is remembered so uncharitably by the fan base.
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 29, 2019 1:27:07 GMT
Anyone walking into a team after TP would know that the squad will have a pretty solid defence, it wouldn't take a genius to analyse that. And then it was time to replace the solid foundation and he got found out, he did sign some great forward players, that can't be disputed, but he didn't have a clue what to do when the old guard needed replacing. It’s astounding how little credit Hughes is getting here. Architect of some of the best Stoke performances in at least one generation, if not two - check Constructed the most exciting and effective forward line most of us have ever seen - check Gave us pretty much our best run of finishes *ever*, over a period which was three or four times longer than most league managers last in a job at all - check And yet it’s all “doesn’t take a genius” or just plain luck, as farcically mentioned above. You know you can still criticise his later defects - he clearly wasn’t a particularly personable bloke and standards obviously slipped past the point of no return in the end - but it will be tragic if a guy who delivered some of many Stokies’ best memories is remembered so uncharitably by the fan base. I agree 100%. There's only ever black and white no grey area. Yes his reign fizzled out into a disaster. But was it all shit? Really?
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Post by upthefud on Mar 29, 2019 1:30:17 GMT
Yup, that's got Mark Hughes written all over it. Thanks huthy. Where's the bit about results improving for 3 and a half seasons? Once again, fans lapping up SHITE aimed at the club. You gave the club 10 years of SHITE now our ex players are saying how it was under Hughes and you won’t hear a bad word about it
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Post by riproaringagain on Mar 29, 2019 2:03:21 GMT
Anyone walking into a team after TP would know that the squad will have a pretty solid defence, it wouldn't take a genius to analyse that. And then it was time to replace the solid foundation and he got found out, he did sign some great forward players, that can't be disputed, but he didn't have a clue what to do when the old guard needed replacing. It’s astounding how little credit Hughes is getting here. Architect of some of the best Stoke performances in at least one generation, if not two - check Constructed the most exciting and effective forward line most of us have ever seen - check Gave us pretty much our best run of finishes *ever*, over a period which was three or four times longer than most league managers last in a job at all - check And yet it’s all “doesn’t take a genius” or just plain luck, as farcically mentioned above. You know you can still criticise his later defects - he clearly wasn’t a particularly personable bloke and standards obviously slipped past the point of no return in the end - but it will be tragic if a guy who delivered some of many Stokies’ best memories is remembered so uncharitably by the fan base. How you doing Mark, it didn’t don’t work out at Southampton either did it
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 29, 2019 2:22:24 GMT
It’s astounding how little credit Hughes is getting here. Architect of some of the best Stoke performances in at least one generation, if not two - check Constructed the most exciting and effective forward line most of us have ever seen - check Gave us pretty much our best run of finishes *ever*, over a period which was three or four times longer than most league managers last in a job at all - check And yet it’s all “doesn’t take a genius” or just plain luck, as farcically mentioned above. You know you can still criticise his later defects - he clearly wasn’t a particularly personable bloke and standards obviously slipped past the point of no return in the end - but it will be tragic if a guy who delivered some of many Stokies’ best memories is remembered so uncharitably by the fan base. How you doing Mark, it didn’t don’t work out at Southampton either did it You think that’s a comparable period of his career do you? I feel genuinely sorry for you if you’re so committed to antipathy towards him that you can’t bring yourself to admit that you enjoyed us demolishing Man City and Liverpool and Arsenal and ManU (and the rest of them). Stuff like that doesn’t come round very often for a club like ours.
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 29, 2019 9:28:13 GMT
Where's the bit about results improving for 3 and a half seasons? Once again, fans lapping up SHITE aimed at the club. You gave the club 10 years of SHITE now our ex players are saying how it was under Hughes and you won’t hear a bad word about it Clearly incorrect but carry on.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 29, 2019 9:31:35 GMT
How you doing Mark, it didn’t don’t work out at Southampton either did it You think that’s a comparable period of his career do you? I feel genuinely sorry for you if you’re so committed to antipathy towards him that you can’t bring yourself to admit that you enjoyed us demolishing Man City and Liverpool and Arsenal and ManU (and the rest of them). Stuff like that doesn’t come round very often for a club like ours. It’s a nuance that’s beyond people.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 29, 2019 9:34:05 GMT
Some might say identifying and signing “flair players to add to the steel already in place” and consequently achieving, three seasons running, placing in the table the previous regime could only dream of was exceptionally good squad analysis and team management. But you’re probably right it was just luck Anyone walking into a team after TP would know that the squad will have a pretty solid defence, it wouldn't take a genius to analyse that. And then it was time to replace the solid foundation and he got found out, he did sign some great forward players, that can't be disputed, but he didn't have a clue what to do when the old guard needed replacing. How many players of Pulis’ ‘pretty solid defence’ actually played regularly? Cameron was in and out under Pulis, Huth only played a handful of games under Hughes, Pieters wasn’t here... Ryan was the mainstay, and the first season under Hughes was arguably the finest of his career.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Mar 29, 2019 9:57:37 GMT
Anyone walking into a team after TP would know that the squad will have a pretty solid defence, it wouldn't take a genius to analyse that. And then it was time to replace the solid foundation and he got found out, he did sign some great forward players, that can't be disputed, but he didn't have a clue what to do when the old guard needed replacing. How many players of Pulis’ ‘pretty solid defence’ actually played regularly? Cameron was in and out under Pulis, Huth only played a handful of games under Hughes, Pieters wasn’t here... Ryan was the mainstay, and the first season under Hughes was arguably the finest of his career. These players were at the club, 'hardly' played makes no odds. They were part of a professional group that Mark Hughes added too to make worse. It took him 3 years to dismantle the spine of the group and when he eventually got there and the squad was his own he flopped, big time. He turned a professional and disciplined squad to shit and we are still paying for it now. 3 x 9th place finishes, wow. And for what? . He totally destroyed what made us successful and turned the place into a holiday camp whilst adding players that had no interest in playing for stoke. What a guy.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 29, 2019 10:22:41 GMT
How many players of Pulis’ ‘pretty solid defence’ actually played regularly? Cameron was in and out under Pulis, Huth only played a handful of games under Hughes, Pieters wasn’t here... Ryan was the mainstay, and the first season under Hughes was arguably the finest of his career. These players were at the club, 'hardly' played makes no odds. They were part of a professional group that Mark Hughes added too to make worse. It took him 3 years to dismantle the spine of the group and when he eventually got there and the squad was his own he flopped, big time. He turned a professional and disciplined squad to shit and we are still paying for it now. 3 x 9th place finishes, wow. And for what? . He totally destroyed what made us successful and turned the place into a holiday camp whilst adding players that had no interest in playing for stoke. What a guy. So you’re saying it ‘makes no odds’ if a player’s in the team or not? Don’t talk shit. Hughes added to it to make it better initially, then he made it significantly worse. I don’t recall anyone turning their nose up at three top half finishes (something the club hasn’t regularly achieved during its 156 year history) at the time, nor when we were sticking three past Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs and six past Liverpool. Should we sneer at those performances now as well? He didn’t actively dismantle the group or seek to (Pulis was actually the one who actively dismantled his own best team). He was undeniably dreadful at replacing the key components, no question. Hughes is rightly given stick for the way things unravelled, but it’s possible to take a balanced view and see there was good as well as bad.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 29, 2019 11:23:09 GMT
As with all things, I agree with some of what huth says but not others.
What is, in my opinion, beyond question, is that multiple years of lax discipline and approaches to fitness ultimately caught up with us.
I'll defy anyone who says we were one of the 3 worst teams in the premier league last season. We weren't but we slowly evolved into a team that couldn't cope with the physical demands of the premier league.
That was down to Hughes, fairly and squarely and it is those years of consistent downward spirals of fitness and discipline that ultimately cost us.
As good characters, who would set standards for others, disappeared those happy to revel in a more relaxed environment came to the fore.
Therein lies the story of our demise and the reason we were relegated the first time we found ourselves in any trouble.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Mar 29, 2019 11:37:41 GMT
As with all things, I agree with some of what huth says but not others. What is, in my opinion, beyond question, is that multiple years of lax discipline and approaches to fitness ultimately caught up with us. I'll defy anyone who says we were one of the 3 worst teams in the premier league last season. We weren't but we slowly evolved into a team that couldn't cope with the physical demands of the premier league. That was down to Hughes, fairly and squarely and it is those years of consistent downward spirals of fitness and discipline that ultimately cost us. As good characters, who would set standards for others, disappeared those happy to revel in a more relaxed environment came to the fore. Therein lies the story of our demise and the reason we were relegated the first time we found ourselves in any trouble. Any manager who thinks a lack of discipline & fitness is a way to take a club forward is an imbecile imo. There isn't anything going for it at all. There is a reason the armed forces value discipline & fitness above most other things.
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Post by Davef on Mar 29, 2019 12:49:15 GMT
Where Huth is wrong is in claiming that a lot of old school Pulis players left when Hughes turned up.
By May 2013, Fuller, Lawrence, Delap, Sidibe, Higginbotham, Beattie and Diao had all gone. Etherington played one season under Hughes and retired. Huth himself was sold midway through Hughes's second season, though injuries had restricted his appearances.
Shawcross, Whelan, Walters, Adam, Cameron and Crouch all played a major part in Hughes's time at the club, and Nzonzi and Begovic both contributed massively during his two first seasons.
What went on behind the scenes at the club under Hughes and whether he disliked what Pulis had put into place is a completely different argument.
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Post by bertiestan on Mar 29, 2019 13:40:04 GMT
Anyone walking into a team after TP would know that the squad will have a pretty solid defence, it wouldn't take a genius to analyse that. And then it was time to replace the solid foundation and he got found out, he did sign some great forward players, that can't be disputed, but he didn't have a clue what to do when the old guard needed replacing. It’s astounding how little credit Hughes is getting here. Architect of some of the best Stoke performances in at least one generation, if not two - check Constructed the most exciting and effective forward line most of us have ever seen - check Gave us pretty much our best run of finishes *ever*, over a period which was three or four times longer than most league managers last in a job at all - check And yet it’s all “doesn’t take a genius” or just plain luck, as farcically mentioned above. You know you can still criticise his later defects - he clearly wasn’t a particularly personable bloke and standards obviously slipped past the point of no return in the end - but it will be tragic if a guy who delivered some of many Stokies’ best memories is remembered so uncharitably by the fan base. He undid everything imo
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 29, 2019 13:51:39 GMT
It’s astounding how little credit Hughes is getting here. Architect of some of the best Stoke performances in at least one generation, if not two - check Constructed the most exciting and effective forward line most of us have ever seen - check Gave us pretty much our best run of finishes *ever*, over a period which was three or four times longer than most league managers last in a job at all - check And yet it’s all “doesn’t take a genius” or just plain luck, as farcically mentioned above. You know you can still criticise his later defects - he clearly wasn’t a particularly personable bloke and standards obviously slipped past the point of no return in the end - but it will be tragic if a guy who delivered some of many Stokies’ best memories is remembered so uncharitably by the fan base. He undid everything imo “Everything” being what?
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Post by bertiestan on Mar 29, 2019 14:27:07 GMT
Growing complacent...signing players with troubled pasts and massive egos on big wages, allowing players to become unfit, you only have to look at arnie and shaq to see the evidence of that...must I go on?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 29, 2019 14:57:44 GMT
Growing complacent...signing players with troubled pasts and massive egos on big wages, allowing players to become unfit, you only have to look at arnie and shaq to see the evidence of that...must I go on? Arnie and Shaq weren't the problem were they?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 29, 2019 14:59:30 GMT
People still defending Hughes even tho not one player who played under him at Stoke has said anything that goes in his favour to support him against the players who've raised issues with his management style.. or lack of it! Arnie, Marc Wilson, Charlie Adam, Glen Johnson, Huth the list goes on of players who've had things to say or show about how standards slipped.. & whilst folk still keep harping on about the 3x 9th place finishes which yes at the time appeared to be successful seasons, on the face of it the rot was already setting in & the wheel was waiting to come off as it inevitably did do. Been having a chat with a Southampton fan this evening interestingly enough & you can imagine how the conversation went there.. He'd heard the same down on the south coast regarding standards slipping under the Hughes management system. The difference being the Saints board clearly saw the same & reacted in a timely fashion to at least try to prevent the rot setting in & downward spiral towards certain relegation. If you hadn’t noticed mate they’re the same fans that slated the capped ones every move,very sad.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 29, 2019 15:30:14 GMT
People still defending Hughes even tho not one player who played under him at Stoke has said anything that goes in his favour to support him against the players who've raised issues with his management style.. or lack of it! Arnie, Marc Wilson, Charlie Adam, Glen Johnson, Huth the list goes on of players who've had things to say or show about how standards slipped.. & whilst folk still keep harping on about the 3x 9th place finishes which yes at the time appeared to be successful seasons, on the face of it the rot was already setting in & the wheel was waiting to come off as it inevitably did do. Been having a chat with a Southampton fan this evening interestingly enough & you can imagine how the conversation went there.. He'd heard the same down on the south coast regarding standards slipping under the Hughes management system. The difference being the Saints board clearly saw the same & reacted in a timely fashion to at least try to prevent the rot setting in & downward spiral towards certain relegation. If you hadn’t noticed mate they’re the same fans that slated the capped ones every move,very sad. That’s a bit much when we’ve got people on this very thread effectively giving Pulis the credit for anything achieved in the early Hughes seasons. Works both ways doesn’t it? It shouldn’t be hard to take a step back and see the good and bad in both, but apparently it is, because people don’t want to.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 29, 2019 16:02:41 GMT
If you hadn’t noticed mate they’re the same fans that slated the capped ones every move,very sad. That’s a bit much when we’ve got people on this very thread effectively giving Pulis the credit for anything achieved in the early Hughes seasons. Works both ways doesn’t it? It shouldn’t be hard to take a step back and see the good and bad in both, but apparently it is, because people don’t want to. It shouldn’t be hard Rob I agree but it always will be for plenty I’m afraid
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