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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 2, 2019 0:36:22 GMT
I think the present manager and last two managers have been forced to play players that they don't won't to play, is the problem. The undropables Go on, which players?
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 2, 2019 0:38:47 GMT
John Coates is not a friend or ally of Cartwright quite the opposite
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 2, 2019 0:41:30 GMT
So spill the beans? Educate us?
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Post by firfuxache on Jan 2, 2019 0:45:29 GMT
I can’t think of a single player that’s undroppable boru. Names please of those who have played every minute of every match irrespective of form, opponent or competition.
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Post by boru on Jan 2, 2019 0:50:45 GMT
So spill the beans? Educate us? Butland, Shawcross, Ince Any maybe Baurer and Bojan are not being played for money/ contract reasons ??. Orders from the poison twins
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 2, 2019 0:54:17 GMT
So spill the beans? Educate us? Butland, Shawcross, Ince Any maybe Baurer and Bojan are not being played for money/ contract reasons ??. Orders from the poison twins He dropped Shawcross didn’t he? Who is he going to play instead of Butland, who’s a big reason why we’ve got even this measly number of points on the board? Ince has been our best outfield player this season overall and again earned us numerous points? Why would he not play Bojan/Bauer for contract reasons but play Allen who’s also signed a new deal recently? And if it was a money thing, wouldn’t the shadowy forces demanding your trio play also demand those two play to make sure we’re getting our money’s worth?
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Post by rawli on Jan 2, 2019 0:56:25 GMT
So spill the beans? Educate us? Butland, Shawcross, Ince Any maybe Baurer and Bojan are not being played for money/ contract reasons ??. Orders from the poison twins Isn't Butland undroppable because he's the best keeper at the club. And Shawcross was dropped earlier in the season.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 2, 2019 1:00:06 GMT
So spill the beans? Educate us? Butland, Shawcross, Ince Any maybe Baurer and Bojan are not being played for money/ contract reasons ??. Orders from the poison twins Ince is his player
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jan 2, 2019 1:02:27 GMT
So spill the beans? Educate us? Butland, Shawcross, Ince Any maybe Baurer and Bojan are not being played for money/ contract reasons ??. Orders from the poison twins What a bag of bollocks.
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Post by boru on Jan 2, 2019 1:15:29 GMT
Butland, Shawcross, Ince Any maybe Baurer and Bojan are not being played for money/ contract reasons ??. Orders from the poison twins He dropped Shawcross didn’t he? Who is he going to play instead of Butland, who’s a big reason why we’ve got even this measly number of points on the board? Ince has been our best outfield player this season overall and again earned us numerous points? Why would he not play Bojan/Bauer for contract reasons but play Allen who’s also signed a new deal recently? And if it was a money thing, wouldn’t the shadowy forces demanding your trio play also demand those two play to make sure we’re getting our money’s worth? He dropped Shawcross and then he was back in the team, same thing happened with Lambert. Butland has cost us plenty this season and him throwing the ball in the net against Liecester was one of the reasons we were relagated. Bojan/Baurer maybe kept out of the squad to keep there wages down
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Post by boru on Jan 2, 2019 1:16:22 GMT
Butland, Shawcross, Ince Any maybe Baurer and Bojan are not being played for money/ contract reasons ??. Orders from the poison twins Ince is his player Maybe daddy got it on his contract, that if he is fit he had to play
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Post by boru on Jan 2, 2019 1:18:15 GMT
Butland, Shawcross, Ince Any maybe Baurer and Bojan are not being played for money/ contract reasons ??. Orders from the poison twins Isn't Butland undroppable because he's the best keeper at the club. And Shawcross was dropped earlier in the season. Shawcross wouldn't get into any other championship side
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Post by boru on Jan 2, 2019 1:19:42 GMT
Butland, Shawcross, Ince Any maybe Baurer and Bojan are not being played for money/ contract reasons ??. Orders from the poison twins What a bag of bollocks. [br The usual from you, bollixs
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Post by tomcmod on Jan 2, 2019 2:02:59 GMT
Isn't Butland undroppable because he's the best keeper at the club. And Shawcross was dropped earlier in the season. Shawcross wouldn't get into any other championship side I'm fed up with this continued shit about Shawcross. He has been one of our better players for last 5 or so games. Same with McClean but when your part of the boo boys you get feck all credit.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 2, 2019 2:31:02 GMT
Ince is his player Maybe daddy got it on his contract, that if he is fit he had to play Maybe you're chatting nonsense , you're guessing and doing that helps nothing.
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Post by boru on Jan 2, 2019 2:45:24 GMT
Yes, I am guessing , 😐
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Post by chumley on Jan 2, 2019 5:24:04 GMT
We've only got one shred of evidence about processes at Stoke and how they work because of the conflicting stories that came out. January 2018 Moritz Bauer was a Mark Hughes signing, the club had already agreed before Hughes left so the club went ahead. June/July 2018 Moritz Bauer was a Mark Cartwright signing according to discussions with the Sentinel, after being deemed one of the bright prospects after the second half of the season. The waters are too muddied that anything then said by Scholes or Cartwright with that in mind to take it at face value. Mark Hughes likely isn't allowed to speak, and even if he can how much of what he says can be trusted after all, he has his own name to protect. There's never really going to be any good faith again involving those two, the best they can hope for is results detract from it. Didn't Eddie allude to the fact that Bauer was a Bowen find in the after match Man Utd interview? He did say that brother, youre spot on, Bauer belongs to Hughes and is his discovery
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Post by chumley on Jan 2, 2019 5:31:47 GMT
Just some outside perspective on your signings this year (Derby fan). McClean was a player that Rowett wanted at Derby last season but we couldn't afford him. Ince didn't want to leave and to be fair Rowett didn't want to lose him, calling him the 'best technician at the club' but made the decision to sell him because Rowett felt he could replace him with a 'better' and cheaper option in Tom Lawrence. However, it's interesting that he went back for Ince and not his 'better. option Tom Lawrence. When Stoke signed Afobe it seemed like Rowett had finally landed his perfect lone centre-forward that fitted his style of play. Indeed Afobe is an upgrade on Donaldson at Brum and Cameron Jerome at Derby (1.5m wasted) I think apart from the young Nigerian (good player) the rest of your signings seem nailed on Rowett players. It would appear therefore that Rowett did have a big say (or identified) the players that arrived at your club this summer. It does seem (to an outsider) that your board have backed their manager to the hilt? If that's the case then he needs getting rid of, he has said it's his team now so he can be judged on the results
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2019 6:10:30 GMT
I think the present manager and last two managers have been forced to play players that they don't won't to play, is the problem. The undropables Go on, which players? If I was to guess I'd say Joe allen
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Post by mozzer on Jan 2, 2019 10:39:43 GMT
I think the present manager and last two managers have been forced to play players that they don't won't to play, is the problem. The undropables Although the club has tried to sort out the problems within the dressing room there are still massive problems at the club that are well known through the circuit of players and ex pros, hence all the alluding and hinting going on within the media from certain quarters but without the deffinate killer blow to come out straight and tell people what they are..... You are not a million miles off with your post but it's fuck all do with not being able to drop certain players, the manager can drop who he wants within reason.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2019 10:46:55 GMT
That is clearly what you’re doing.
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 2, 2019 11:00:30 GMT
I think the present manager and last two managers have been forced to play players that they don't won't to play, is the problem. The undropables Although the club has tried to sort out the problems within the dressing room there are still massive problems at the club that are well known through the circuit of players and ex pros, hence all the alluding and hinting going on within the media from certain quarters but without the deffinate killer blow to come out straight and tell people what they are..... You are not a million miles off with your post but it's fuck all do with not being able to drop certain players, the manager can drop who he wants within reason. So spell them out if you know otherwise it just looks like everyone is just guessing. My guess is that a select few getting new contracts and therefore probably missing out on the 50% wage cut has caused some bad feeling.
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Post by riproaringagain on Jan 2, 2019 11:03:13 GMT
I think the present manager and last two managers have been forced to play players that they don't won't to play, is the problem. The undropables Although the club has tried to sort out the problems within the dressing room there are still massive problems at the club that are well known through the circuit of players and ex pros, hence all the alluding and hinting going on within the media from certain quarters but without the deffinate killer blow to come out straight and tell people what they are..... You are not a million miles off with your post but it's fuck all do with not being able to drop certain players, the manager can drop who he wants within reason. Are we talking players revolt, non playing staff or unhappy players causing unrest. The manager doesn’t seem to have captured the players to me
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Post by potterspele on Jan 2, 2019 12:08:37 GMT
More like talking out of your arse.
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Post by Gifton on Jan 2, 2019 12:11:03 GMT
John Coates is not a friend or ally of Cartwright quite the opposite Well why the fuck doesn't he grow a pair and get rid then?!
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 2, 2019 12:15:38 GMT
Percy, Pejic etc need to either shut the fuck up or find a set of balls and actually say what they think they know, all this 'ooo I think there's something going on, all is not good etc but I aint gonna tell yer' is just making things worse for the clubs relationship with the fans.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 2, 2019 12:17:11 GMT
I think the present manager and last two managers have been forced to play players that they don't won't to play, is the problem. The undropables Although the club has tried to sort out the problems within the dressing room there are still massive problems at the club that are well known through the circuit of players and ex pros, hence all the alluding and hinting going on within the media from certain quarters but without the deffinate killer blow to come out straight and tell people what they are..... You are not a million miles off with your post but it's fuck all do with not being able to drop certain players, the manager can drop who he wants within reason. So fucking say what it is or stop fuelling the fire with this innuendo bull shit.
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Post by RAF on Jan 2, 2019 12:18:18 GMT
John Coates is not a friend or ally of Cartwright quite the opposite Well why the fuck doesn't he grow a pair and get rid then?! Because it's bollocks? H
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Post by mozzer on Jan 2, 2019 13:30:49 GMT
Although the club has tried to sort out the problems within the dressing room there are still massive problems at the club that are well known through the circuit of players and ex pros, hence all the alluding and hinting going on within the media from certain quarters but without the deffinate killer blow to come out straight and tell people what they are..... You are not a million miles off with your post but it's fuck all do with not being able to drop certain players, the manager can drop who he wants within reason. So fucking say what it is or stop fuelling the fire with this innuendo bull shit. How about I don't fucking say what it is and I keep fuelling the fire with the facts that I know rather than most of the bullshit spouted on here, it's the club's problem they got in to it they are continuing with it they can sort it Or.... do I take your mr angry bait and spill my guts on a 2 bit message board and ruin years of friendship with a Good mate because I am getting called out by a no mark keyboard warrior. Nah, I wouldn't spout but with that attitude i think I will leave you to simmer in your own juices and let you try work it out Yeah I'm full of shit, I hope that helps calm you down a liitle
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 2, 2019 13:36:13 GMT
We need to get Tony Scholes back in control, his phasing out has lead to this shambles.
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