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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2018 19:57:31 GMT
I remember one of his articles this year where he referred to the poor transfer decisions and contract extensions, which I guess is what he’s alluding to.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Dec 31, 2018 20:14:30 GMT
Coates has told Rowett he must get the fans back onside, and the only way to do it is to integrate Bojan into the team. Cue a Bojan hat-trick tomorrow, the team on fire for the rest of January until Bojan leaves for a release clause of £5m at the end of January, leaving us in 5th place but without a replacement.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2018 20:49:02 GMT
Problems are that Peter still calls the shots. All the family have shares in the club and John was supposedly the one to take charge of the club but they all still answer to Peter. He just won’t let go. John isn’t the fondest of Cartwright or Scholes however Peter is a stubborn loyal sod. Wheres your proof of this?? Wish I could tell you. I could tell a few stories from this past 12 months. Some that will make you scratch your head. But some that will also make you proud to be from stoke on trent. (Or prouder)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2018 20:50:00 GMT
Wheres your proof of this?? Wish I could tell you. I could tell a few stories from this past 12 months. Some that will make you scratch your head. But some that will also make you proud to be from stoke on trent. (Or prouder) We have all night Clyde, fancy a brew?
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Post by neddy on Dec 31, 2018 20:51:20 GMT
Wish I could tell you. I could tell a few stories from this past 12 months. Some that will make you scratch your head. But some that will also make you proud to be from stoke on trent. (Or prouder) We have all night Clyde, fancy a brew? Yeh come on Clyde....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2018 21:04:47 GMT
Wish I could tell you. I could tell a few stories from this past 12 months. Some that will make you scratch your head. But some that will also make you proud to be from stoke on trent. (Or prouder) We have all night Clyde, fancy a brew? Mate I’m always up for a brew. I will have a beer with you one day and you may get me open up lol. Not in a kinky way though ha
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2018 21:06:36 GMT
We have all night Clyde, fancy a brew? Mate I’m always up for a brew. I will have a beer with you one day and you may get me open up lol. Not in a kinky way though ha Erm, bye. 😁
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 31, 2018 21:06:46 GMT
We have all night Clyde, fancy a brew? Mate I’m always up for a brew. I will have a beer with you one day and you may get me open up lol. Not in a kinky way though ha Fuck sake, this sounds more promising than a boring evening stuck in with my missus, spill the beans 🤣
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Dec 31, 2018 21:09:19 GMT
Wheres your proof of this?? Wish I could tell you. I could tell a few stories from this past 12 months. Some that will make you scratch your head. But some that will also make you proud to be from stoke on trent. (Or prouder) I have loads of 'stories'. Its facts I was asking for
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Post by owdestokie2 on Dec 31, 2018 21:25:11 GMT
And he was bang on. Pulis had it down to a tee. This lot don't know their arse from their elbow. Since pulis we have had a season or two in the sun at massive expense. Not only have we got to get back up, we'll play the whipping boys for another 5 years "If" we stay there until we class ourselves as a mid table club again. At best we'll end up a yo yo club imo because We won't invest the sufficient amount upon promotion I think that is rewriting history. Things went well under Hughes to start with and only £5m was spent on Pieters, Muni, Arni, Ireland, and Odemwingie. The second season Hughes spent virtually nothing buying players; Bardsley, Diouf, and Sidwell were all free transfer (excluding signing on fees) and Bojan and Tex were on minor undisclosed fees. It was 2015 when Hughes signed a shed load (11) of players, pushing the wage bill through the roof, including Shaq for £12m. We now know we only get Shaq on condition he could leave for £12m. Out of that 11 signed all bar Johnson and Shaq were dud signings. January 2016 we went over the cliff, signing Imbula for £18.3m. So actually the " season or two in the sun" were at minimal expense. It was Hughes 3rd season that matters spiraled out of control. I’m sorry but I’d argue with your first two paragraphs to start with. How many of the players mentioned actually added value to our medium/long term survival in possibly the most difficult league in Europe? IMHO that policy was the beginning of the end for our club in the EPL. The signings of the likes of Imbula, Wimmer etc. are well documented but if you continually buy cheap, time and circumstances catch up you. Wellcome to the Championship
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Post by tony1234 on Dec 31, 2018 21:43:18 GMT
Any football club that retains the man in charge of recruitment after 47 million pounds of wasted cash on three players (not including X millons on wages - another 15 million?) has a problem. He maybe your mate, but come on Jon - is it worth destroying Stoke City for that? Grow a pair. Seems like we need to add N'Diaye & Bauer to that list too, given they are most likely never to play again - so make it 65m
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Dec 31, 2018 22:06:30 GMT
Percy’s talking nonesense and don’t think he knows anything. The problems do not go beyond the manager. The team is playing dull and boring football down to the manager. The manager signed Afobe for £12m, he’s not good enough and Ince for £10m when there were better wingers wanting to go out on loan from the prem. And worst of all he bought McClean for £6m and gave the useless idiot a 4 year deal. That alone is a sackable offence surely. Meanwhile other clubs who were in an equally bad state also appointed new managers and are doing well, Leeds and Albion to name 2. So no it’s problems beyond the manager it’s quite simply an inept manager who has bought badly, wasted millions and doesn’t know how to use the good players he’s got. The manager doesn't decide on length of contracts. Which kind of shits on your antagonistic argument doesn't it. 5/10 for effort though SGS
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Post by numpty40 on Dec 31, 2018 22:12:43 GMT
Percy’s talking nonesense and don’t think he knows anything. The problems do not go beyond the manager. The team is playing dull and boring football down to the manager. The manager signed Afobe for £12m, he’s not good enough and Ince for £10m when there were better wingers wanting to go out on loan from the prem. And worst of all he bought McClean for £6m and gave the useless idiot a 4 year deal. That alone is a sackable offence surely. Meanwhile other clubs who were in an equally bad state also appointed new managers and are doing well, Leeds and Albion to name 2. So no it’s problems beyond the manager it’s quite simply an inept manager who has bought badly, wasted millions and doesn’t know how to use the good players he’s got. The manager doesn't decide on length of contracts. Which kind of shits on your antagonistic argument doesn't it. 5/10 for effort though SGS But surely if a manager insists on a player and that player demands conditions on his contract then the club will try to accommodate him. Fair to say both manager and recruitment staff are equally as shit.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 31, 2018 22:23:57 GMT
Percy’s talking nonesense and don’t think he knows anything. The problems do not go beyond the manager. The team is playing dull and boring football down to the manager. The manager signed Afobe for £12m, he’s not good enough and Ince for £10m when there were better wingers wanting to go out on loan from the prem. And worst of all he bought McClean for £6m and gave the useless idiot a 4 year deal. That alone is a sackable offence surely. Meanwhile other clubs who were in an equally bad state also appointed new managers and are doing well, Leeds and Albion to name 2. So no it’s problems beyond the manager it’s quite simply an inept manager who has bought badly, wasted millions and doesn’t know how to use the good players he’s got. The manager doesn't decide on length of contracts. Which kind of shits on your antagonistic argument doesn't it. 5/10 for effort though SGS He'd have input on it though.
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Post by lordb on Dec 31, 2018 22:25:26 GMT
The manager doesn't decide on length of contracts. Which kind of shits on your antagonistic argument doesn't it. 5/10 for effort though SGS He'd have input on it though. Not sure Pugs. Stoke like long contracts to spread the costs, that's regardless of who the manager is.
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Dec 31, 2018 22:28:19 GMT
He'd have input on it though. Not sure Pugs. Stoke like long contracts to spread the costs, that's regardless of who the manager is. This Quote abuse SGS
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 31, 2018 22:29:43 GMT
Not sure Pugs. Stoke like long contracts to spread the costs, that's regardless of who the manager is. This Quote abuse SGS Quote abuse? OK, he should have a say.
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Dec 31, 2018 22:30:40 GMT
Quote abuse? OK, he should have a say. Im agreeing with you Pugs. Im aiming that at those that simply want Rowett out but cant offer a realistic alternative SGS
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 31, 2018 22:50:19 GMT
Quote abuse? OK, he should have a say. Im agreeing with you Pugs. Im aiming that at those that simply want Rowett out but cant offer a realistic alternative SGS Any realistic alternative is poo pooed and you know it. There are a million and one managers out there who could do a better job than the current fool.
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Post by santy on Dec 31, 2018 23:00:21 GMT
Quote abuse? OK, he should have a say. Im agreeing with you Pugs. Im aiming that at those that simply want Rowett out but cant offer a realistic alternative SGS Not to have a go, but surely the sentiment of realising a manager isn't working out is in no way tied to "offering a realistic alternative" If NASA are launching a rocket, and it blows up on the pad you can clearly say "Well that rockets fucked" without knowing how to launch a rocket or what should be done after identifying it. You can also say you're ill without being able to diagnose what the condition is. Fans ultimately aren't the people who will make the decisions, but as a fan you're only ever really commenting on what you can see which is the poor situation before us right now. I find it a very weak argument to try and diminish the point on the basis of not also then suggesting how to put it right. Especially when its only ever going to be hypothetical because with no involvement in the process its largely redundant.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2018 23:57:11 GMT
Problems are that Peter still calls the shots. All the family have shares in the club and John was supposedly the one to take charge of the club but they all still answer to Peter. He just won’t let go. John isn’t the fondest of Cartwright or Scholes however Peter is a stubborn loyal sod. I'm afraid that is bullshit. Jon Coates is best friends with mark Cartwright and has been since their school days. Try again! Cartwright went to school in Macclesfield. He left school and went to York City as an apprentice in 1990. John Coates went to Bristol University in 1988. Apart from the geographical distance. The age difference makes it highly unlikely they were best friends at school.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 1, 2019 1:29:26 GMT
I'm afraid that is bullshit. Jon Coates is best friends with mark Cartwright and has been since their school days. Try again! Cartwright went to school in Macclesfield. He left school and went to York City as an apprentice in 1990. John Coates went to Bristol University in 1988. Apart from the geographical distance. The age difference makes it highly unlikely they were best friends at school. I said "since their school days". Not once did I say they were at the same school or even in the same year group as I'm not privy to such detail.
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Post by boru on Jan 1, 2019 2:31:24 GMT
I think the present manager and last two managers have been forced to play players that they don't won't to play, is the problem.
The undropables
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jan 1, 2019 9:31:13 GMT
Cartwright went to school in Macclesfield. He left school and went to York City as an apprentice in 1990. John Coates went to Bristol University in 1988. Apart from the geographical distance. The age difference makes it highly unlikely they were best friends at school. I said "since their school days". Not once did I say they were at the same school or even in the same year group as I'm not privy to such detail. Genuine question - what detail are you privvy to on the basis you know they've been mates since their school days? Word of mouth from that knows them both?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 1, 2019 9:49:56 GMT
I said "since their school days". Not once did I say they were at the same school or even in the same year group as I'm not privy to such detail. Genuine question - what detail are you privvy to on the basis you know they've been mates since their school days? Word of mouth from that knows them both? From one of their mutual friends
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 1, 2019 9:50:44 GMT
I think the present manager and last two managers have been forced to play players that they don't won't to play, is the problem. The undropables Who, specifically?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2019 9:55:14 GMT
I think the present manager and last two managers have been forced to play players that they don't won't to play, is the problem. The undropables Who, specifically? If that's the case, is it due to playing bonuses and trying to get players off the books?
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jan 1, 2019 10:19:31 GMT
Genuine question - what detail are you privvy to on the basis you know they've been mates since their school days? Word of mouth from that knows them both? From one of their mutual friends Very interesting. I wasn't aware their paths had crossed before.
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Post by lordb on Jan 1, 2019 10:21:38 GMT
Quote abuse? OK, he should have a say. The manager should have a say,yes. Don't think many managers do at many clubs.
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Post by boru on Jan 2, 2019 0:34:23 GMT
I think the present manager and last two managers have been forced to play players that they don't won't to play, is the problem. The undropables Who, specifically? It obvious
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