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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2018 21:03:27 GMT
It's a tough one.
Rowett really hasn't got a clue. Draws are no use in this league, unless it's away at a top half side. We have to win games like this at home and to start with one up front is so negative. We are way off the playoffs and losing ground by the week. Wins are a must. Better to win one, lose one than keep drawing. So at home you have to take a risk and throw caution to the wind. Point at home is no good.
Rowett 2/10
Hughes about the same
Both are shite managers and hopefully both sacked by Christmas
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 24, 2018 21:06:25 GMT
Is he worse than early Hughes? Yes
Is he worse than late Hughes? No, but then neither is syphilis.
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Post by redwhite on Nov 24, 2018 21:07:37 GMT
Hughes was brilliant for us for three seasons, then lost the plot and didn't get sacked soon enough. But let's not rewrite history and act like he was a managerial disaster from start to finish.
Rowett hasn't produced anything close to the excitement that Hughes brought at the start, and some of the shit he's served up this season has been just as poor if not poorer than Hughes at his worst.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Nov 24, 2018 21:08:01 GMT
Is Rowlett any better than Paul Lambert?
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Post by mermaidsal on Nov 24, 2018 21:14:49 GMT
Sparky is/was/always will be a spectacularly flakey manager with a genius for shite player recruitment but he's got flair and star quality Gary can't even aspire to on present evidence. NOT that I'm shouting Rowett Out yet (unless MO'N is in secret dialogue with PC), and present evidence can always change - we really are seeing flickers of good stuff, despite today's terminal moaners, and we really are more solid than at the start of the season. Do I sound excited enough yet??  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2018 21:17:25 GMT
Is Rowlett any better than Paul Lambert? I think Lambert knew what he wanted to do whereas Rowett just makes it up as he goes along - I don't know how he got so far without basic tactical skills. I think he comes across to the media seeming to know what he is talking about and that has got him this far. We are going nowhere with this man. We are dying under Rowett. The atmosphere is flat because the football is too. Someone tell Mr Coates that this time he has to move quicker. THE WRITING IS ON THE WALL. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2018 21:17:29 GMT
Is Rowlett any better than Paul Lambert? Yes. |
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Post by ProctorDre on Nov 24, 2018 21:21:24 GMT
Is Rowlett any better than Paul Lambert? Yes. |
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Post by mermaidsal on Nov 24, 2018 21:24:56 GMT
Is Rowlett any better than Paul Lambert? Much of a muchness for me but Rowett's been in a position to choose his clubs whereas Lambo's at the stage of grabbing what's on offer. Swap that around and they'd both be good second-rankers. |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Nov 24, 2018 21:33:06 GMT
Is Rowlett any better than Paul Lambert? Yes. I appreciate your opinion and others who have the same. It’s a hypothetical question really. The difference being is that Rowlett has had the opportunity of purchasing players of his choice. Lambert was dealt a hand of cards that he couldn’t add to/change |
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 24, 2018 21:43:45 GMT
Yes, by far.
Their CVs are chalk an cheese.
Hughes has lost the plot it appears, has had his successes and failures, and may yet get his career back on track like Hodgson.
I can confidently predict Rowett will never manage a Premier League club or an international team, if he manages for another 30 years.
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Post by march4 on Nov 24, 2018 21:50:56 GMT
Hughes was brilliant for us for three seasons, then lost the plot and didn't get sacked soon enough. But let's not rewrite history and act like he was a managerial disaster from start to finish. Rowett hasn't produced anything close to the excitement that Hughes brought at the start, and some of the shit he's served up this season has been just as poor if not poorer than Hughes at his worst. Hughes was just lucky he succeeded Pulis. The greatness of TP’s reign was that his organisation and high standards remained for three years afterwards. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2018 21:52:06 GMT
I appreciate your opinion and others who have the same. It’s a hypothetical question really. The difference being is that Rowlett has had the opportunity of purchasing players of his choice. Lambert was dealt a hand of cards that he couldn’t add to/change Lambert was tasked with keeping a much better team in the Prem, with plenty of very easy games left to do it. He won 2 in 15 and his football was absolutely turgid. Rowett has given some good football and some poor football, but with a worse squad and almost a brand new squad. Rowett worries me with his treatment of Bojan, but he's not even close to Paul Lambert sticking Shaqiri in a 442 and playing Bauer left wing. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Nov 24, 2018 21:55:01 GMT
No, Mark Hughes could only have wet dreams about going 6 unbeaten on the road. We’ve had to spend the better part of 50 million trying to clear up the mess Hughes made in the summer and the clearout still isn’t complete. Mark Hughes and the recruitment team have severely damaged this club. Rowett’s tactics are uninspiring, but Hughes’ were non existent in defence or attack.
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Post by stokeson on Nov 24, 2018 21:55:54 GMT
Hughes was good then he was bad.
Lambert was bad and then got worse.
Rowett was poor and is now getting better.(1 loss in 9)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2018 21:58:26 GMT
Hughes was brilliant for us for three seasons, then lost the plot and didn't get sacked soon enough. But let's not rewrite history and act like he was a managerial disaster from start to finish. Rowett hasn't produced anything close to the excitement that Hughes brought at the start, and some of the shit he's served up this season has been just as poor if not poorer than Hughes at his worst. Hughes was just lucky he succeeded Pulis. The greatness of TP’s reign was that his organisation and high standards remained for three years afterwards. Pfffffft |
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Post by Gods on Nov 24, 2018 21:58:57 GMT
Hughes was brilliant for us for three seasons, then lost the plot and didn't get sacked soon enough. But let's not rewrite history and act like he was a managerial disaster from start to finish. Rowett hasn't produced anything close to the excitement that Hughes brought at the start, and some of the shit he's served up this season has been just as poor if not poorer than Hughes at his worst. Hughes was just lucky he succeeded Pulis. The greatness of TP’s reign was that his organisation and high standards remained for three years afterwards. To be fair Hughes admitted as much. I well remember Hughes contrasting the group he inherited at Stoke, 'players who knew what it took to win Premier League matches', with the bunch of ridiculous fancy dans he inherited at QPR. If only we could somehow tempt the old maestro Pulis back. |
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Post by theteacher on Nov 24, 2018 22:02:42 GMT
Hughes was brilliant for us for three seasons, then lost the plot and didn't get sacked soon enough. But let's not rewrite history and act like he was a managerial disaster from start to finish. Rowett hasn't produced anything close to the excitement that Hughes brought at the start, and some of the shit he's served up this season has been just as poor if not poorer than Hughes at his worst. Hughes was just lucky he succeeded Pulis. The greatness of TP’s reign was that his organisation and high standards remained for three years afterwards. Pulis rightly was replaced but I am in agreement that his strengths as a manager carried Hughes through his first two seasons. He left a nucleous of players who kept the squad in good order. Hughes adding a little more flare and all was good for a while. Once the character needed to be replaced (when age caught up with them) Hughes couldn’t find suitable replacements and we turned to sh1t. Similar in many was to what happened when he was at QPR. Hughes was a poor manager with good contacts in the game and he got lunch to follow TP IMO. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 24, 2018 22:06:21 GMT
Hughes was brilliant for us for three seasons, then lost the plot and didn't get sacked soon enough. But let's not rewrite history and act like he was a managerial disaster from start to finish. Rowett hasn't produced anything close to the excitement that Hughes brought at the start, and some of the shit he's served up this season has been just as poor if not poorer than Hughes at his worst. Hughes was just lucky he succeeded Pulis. The greatness of TP’s reign was that his organisation and high standards remained for three years afterwards. So high that they managed to finish higher than the great man himself ever could. Why couldn’t he do that himself? |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 24, 2018 22:09:10 GMT
Hughes was just lucky he succeeded Pulis. The greatness of TP’s reign was that his organisation and high standards remained for three years afterwards. Pulis rightly was replaced but I am in agreement that his strengths as a manager carried Hughes through his first two seasons. He left a nucleous of players who kept the squad in good order. Hughes adding a little more flare and all was good for a while. Once the character needed to be replaced (when age caught up with them) Hughes couldn’t find suitable replacements and we turned to sh1t. Similar in many was to what happened when he was at QPR. Hughes was a poor manager with good contacts in the game and he got lunch to follow TP IMO. Alternatively, Hughes got a better tune out of Pulis’ signings than Pulis good. Management that. |
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Post by BristolMick on Nov 24, 2018 22:15:42 GMT
Is Rowlett any better than Paul Lambert? That is a better question. After the way we finished last season I don’t think there was much support amongst the fan base for retaining Lambert for our promotion drive. Thing is though it’s difficult to imagine he’d be doing worse than Rowett has so far. BM |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Nov 24, 2018 22:19:38 GMT
Is Rowlett any better than Paul Lambert? That is a better question. After the way we finished last season I don’t think there was much support amongst the fan base for retaining Lambert for our promotion drive. Thing is though it’s difficult to imagine he’d be doing worse than Rowett has so far. BM Lambert worked with what he had. Rowlett has had the opportunity to create a side. Hypothetical I know but “if”  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2018 22:26:33 GMT
Hughes was just lucky he succeeded Pulis. The greatness of TP’s reign was that his organisation and high standards remained for three years afterwards. So high that they managed to finish higher than the great man himself ever could. Why couldn’t he do that himself? The team matured through the strength of continuity and the blossoming of one youth/reserve keeper who became England's nearly number one, supported by signing players that no other manager had even considered, such as Bojan, Arnie, Assaidi, and others. So both managers had worthy input but the players gelled in a way that would have happened anyway if Denise herself had managed the team, as long as the socalled dna wasnt interfered with. Once it was, we were always going to suffer, and we did. |
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Post by kustokie on Nov 24, 2018 22:29:41 GMT
Hughes was just lucky he succeeded Pulis. The greatness of TP’s reign was that his organisation and high standards remained for three years afterwards. To be fair Hughes admitted as much. I well remember Hughes contrasting the group he inherited at Stoke, 'players who knew what it took to win Premier League matches', with the bunch of ridiculous fancy dans he inherited at QPR. If only we could somehow tempt the old maestro Pulis back. Burned too many bridges. Anyway Middlesbrough look nailed on for automatic promotion; so, why would he? |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 24, 2018 22:34:54 GMT
totally predictable mid table Gary gets a mid table result as his cv said he would . Defeat on Wednesday and double gigures off the play offs before December and we will be looking for a new manager by Ipswich , question is who exactiy will pick him , clearly others have had a go might be back to the great man himself which would make for a interesting shortlist .
Rowetts position untenable as it stands simply no evidence he is up to it ,
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Post by stokie23 on Nov 24, 2018 22:35:26 GMT
So high that they managed to finish higher than the great man himself ever could. Why couldn’t he do that himself? The team matured through the strength of continuity and the blossoming of one youth/reserve keeper who became England's nearly number one, supported by signing players that no other manager had even considered, such as Bojan, Arnie, Assaidi, and others. So both managers had worthy input but the players gelled in a way that would have happened anyway if Denise herself had managed the team, as long as the socalled dna wasnt interfered with. Once it was, we were always going to suffer, and we did. This. Nobody can deny Hughes made some brilliant additions early on that Pulis would have never taken a gamble on.. Ireland, Arnautovic, Muniesa etc.. blended with the Pulis signings of Whelan, Walters, Butland, Shawcross, Nzonzi, Adam etc ... that’s what brought about early success. When the Pulis signings were sold or got to old they were never replaced adequately, and then Hughes started selling or dropping his own stars like Muni , Bojan, Arnie etc He truly lost the plot, just look at saints currently for evidence. P.S Rowett wank also 😀 |
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Post by thicknthin on Nov 24, 2018 22:36:42 GMT
It's not tough , yes!
Hughes might have been a shit premiership manager, he earned that right
Rowett is a shit championship manager.
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Post by TexasPotter on Nov 24, 2018 22:37:27 GMT
I think he will be by the end of it. Infact he's pretty shit now not even half a season in. At least Hughes gave us Stokelona before losing it. What the fuck has Rowett done to deserve any comparison? Seriously? Name one thing he's accomplished besides choosing starting lineups that bafflingly make me laugh each week.
This week it was Clucas, who hasn't played in forever thrown right in undeserved with Allen and Woods around him. You dont need to be a bloody genius to see QPR over running that midfield pre-kickoff as Allen can't do anything but run around all match. (He's a good goal poacher though) Clucas out of form, not match sharp trying to emulate woods next to him all match. Poor Woods who offers alot had no chance with those two today.
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Post by Gods on Nov 24, 2018 22:43:45 GMT
It's a bit of a weird comparison.
Hughes has 6 Premier League clubs on his managerial CV including Man City and he managed the Wales national team. On his playing CV he has Man United, Barcelona, Bayern Munich and Chelsea.
In short one is a high profile guy who seems to have lost his way and the other is a random bloke from Bromsgrove no one outside of the Midlands has ever heard of.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Nov 24, 2018 22:48:28 GMT
Whether he's worse or not, I just can't take to him......I just wish he'd fuck off!!!
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