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Post by mrcoke on Nov 25, 2018 10:14:04 GMT
January showed what a bottle job Rowett is and his subsequent management has proven he's a complete fraud. He should be no where near our club. January? I think Pugsley means: "How would you like to go to a premier league club and try and save them from relegation?" "Eerr? I think I'll stick with Derby, they've offered me more money to stay, thanks."
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Post by knowingeye on Nov 25, 2018 10:24:43 GMT
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Post by s7oke on Nov 25, 2018 10:37:43 GMT
If I’m being honest I’d struggle with Rowett being any better than Joe fucking Jordan’s. And that was some turgid shit ! There I said it Rowett is wank. We have in my opinion one of the best squads in the league and one of the worst teams ! No direction no organisation! Over to you Gary.
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Post by Billybigbollox on Nov 25, 2018 10:39:57 GMT
If I’m being honest I’d struggle with Rowett being any better than Joe fucking Jordan’s. And that was some turgid shit ! There I said it Rowett is wank. We have in my opinion one of the best squads in the league and one of the worst teams ! No direction no organisation! Over to you Gary. Spot on unfortunately.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 25, 2018 10:45:22 GMT
Would those statistics take into account length of service and division played in?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 25, 2018 10:47:08 GMT
I appreciate your opinion and others who have the same. It’s a hypothetical question really. The difference being is that Rowlett has had the opportunity of purchasing players of his choice. Lambert was dealt a hand of cards that he couldn’t add to/change So no, then.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 25, 2018 10:54:42 GMT
Is Rowlett any better than Paul Lambert? That is a better question. After the way we finished last season I don’t think there was much support amongst the fan base for retaining Lambert for our promotion drive. Thing is though it’s difficult to imagine he’d be doing worse than Rowett has so far. BM I think we would be higher in the league with Lambert, to be honest. I think he'd get more from the players than Rowett has so far, and he has proven goalscorers to work with.
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Nov 25, 2018 10:58:35 GMT
Rowett is worse than Hughes & Lambert end of.
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 25, 2018 11:54:55 GMT
I think Pugsley means: "How would you like to go to a premier league club and try and save them from relegation?" "Eerr? I think I'll stick with Derby, they've offered me more money to stay, thanks." Exactly, he bottled the only chance he'll ever have of managing in the PL.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 12:04:29 GMT
Lambert was tasked with keeping a much better team in the Prem, with plenty of very easy games left to do it. He won 2 in 15 and his football was absolutely turgid. Rowett has given some good football and some poor football, but with a worse squad and almost a brand new squad. Rowett worries me with his treatment of Bojan, but he's not even close to Paul Lambert sticking Shaqiri in a 442 and playing Bauer left wing. You've completely ignored the bit, where Lambert was facing infinitely superior opposition to what Rowett has had to face, managing a side that hadn't been fashioned in his own image. Considering the money spent on his own CHOICE OF players, built on the back of the highest wage bill in the league, Rowett's return to date, is nothing short of utterly abysmal. Did you see the image Lambert fashioned them into?? That side was easily good enough to stay up, and almost any other manager on earth would've kept us up. Rowett has completely overhauled a side, lost a top 4 premier league player who should've been enough to keep us up on his own, and produced middling-to-poor results in a difficult league. Staying in the Prem (especially with our side last year) is far easier than getting promoted from the Championship. I'm not saying Rowett has been excellent or even good, but he's Guardiola when compared with Lambert.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 25, 2018 12:24:27 GMT
You've completely ignored the bit, where Lambert was facing infinitely superior opposition to what Rowett has had to face, managing a side that hadn't been fashioned in his own image. Considering the money spent on his own CHOICE OF players, built on the back of the highest wage bill in the league, Rowett's return to date, is nothing short of utterly abysmal. Did you see the image Lambert fashioned them into?? That side was easily good enough to stay up, and almost any other manager on earth would've kept us up. Rowett has completely overhauled a side, lost a top 4 premier league player who should've been enough to keep us up on his own, and produced middling-to-poor results in a difficult league. Staying in the Prem (especially with our side last year) is far easier than getting promoted from the Championship. I'm not saying Rowett has been excellent or even good, but he's Guardiola when compared with Lambert. Any other manager would've kept us up? I'm pretty convinced that Rowett wouldn't have, for starters.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 12:32:56 GMT
Did you see the image Lambert fashioned them into?? That side was easily good enough to stay up, and almost any other manager on earth would've kept us up. Rowett has completely overhauled a side, lost a top 4 premier league player who should've been enough to keep us up on his own, and produced middling-to-poor results in a difficult league. Staying in the Prem (especially with our side last year) is far easier than getting promoted from the Championship. I'm not saying Rowett has been excellent or even good, but he's Guardiola when compared with Lambert. Any other manager would've kept us up? I'm pretty convinced that Rowett wouldn't have, for starters. I'm confident he would've done tbh. The fact that Lambert was so awful and yet still was a couple of bad bits of luck away from keeping us up shows how easy it was to do.
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Post by BristolMick on Nov 25, 2018 12:36:28 GMT
Did you see the image Lambert fashioned them into?? That side was easily good enough to stay up, and almost any other manager on earth would've kept us up. Rowett has completely overhauled a side, lost a top 4 premier league player who should've been enough to keep us up on his own, and produced middling-to-poor results in a difficult league. Staying in the Prem (especially with our side last year) is far easier than getting promoted from the Championship. I'm not saying Rowett has been excellent or even good, but he's Guardiola when compared with Lambert. Any other manager would've kept us up? I'm pretty convinced that Rowett wouldn't have, for starters. You both make valid points. The real problem is with the person who selected both managers especially as he chased the current one like a dog for a bone. If he had his way Rowett would have taken over in January managing at a critical time at a level he’s never worked at before. Grateful as I am that our chairman has helped fund the club so well in latter years his achilles heel is that he is stuck in a narrow way of thinking and he wouldn’t be able to appoint an exciting and adventurous manager if his life depended upon it! BM
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 25, 2018 15:15:30 GMT
Any other manager would've kept us up? I'm pretty convinced that Rowett wouldn't have, for starters. I'm confident he would've done tbh. The fact that Lambert was so awful and yet still was a couple of bad bits of luck away from keeping us up shows how easy it was to do. Nothing Rowett has done in his career would suggest he would have kept us up. I'd love to know exactly what you think he would have done.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 15:32:03 GMT
I'm confident he would've done tbh. The fact that Lambert was so awful and yet still was a couple of bad bits of luck away from keeping us up shows how easy it was to do. Nothing Rowett has done in his career would suggest he would have kept us up. I'd love to know exactly what you think he would have done. Aside from when he took birmingham to top half from relegation fodder. And when he took Burton from 17th to 4th.
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 25, 2018 15:35:53 GMT
Nothing Rowett has done in his career would suggest he would have kept us up. I'd love to know exactly what you think he would have done. Aside from when he took birmingham to top half from relegation fodder. And when he took Burton from 17th to 4th. Are you serious? Whole different ball game. What would he have done?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 15:37:22 GMT
Aside from when he took birmingham to top half from relegation fodder. And when he took Burton from 17th to 4th. Are you serious? Whole different ball game. What would he have done? How so? Taking a shit team that have good players and making them not lose for no reason. Anything apart from what Lambert did (442, starting Charlie Adam and Crouch) would've kept us up.
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 25, 2018 19:12:58 GMT
Are you serious? Whole different ball game. What would he have done? How so? Taking a shit team that have good players and making them not lose for no reason. Anything apart from what Lambert did (442, starting Charlie Adam and Crouch) would've kept us up. Massive difference in standard of players you are up against so a lot harder to get results. He would have done exactly what Lambert did. He's done the same this season.
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Post by scfc75 on Nov 25, 2018 19:19:59 GMT
Had Rowett made us hard to beat and kept us up by grinding out 0-0 or 1-0 results, he’d be hailed as a good coach. Rightly so. Doing it in this division though is criminal. He’s setting us up like a newly promoted side, not the pre-season favourites for promotion.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 19:27:30 GMT
How so? Taking a shit team that have good players and making them not lose for no reason. Anything apart from what Lambert did (442, starting Charlie Adam and Crouch) would've kept us up. Massive difference in standard of players you are up against so a lot harder to get results. He would have done exactly what Lambert did. He's done the same this season. With a champions league standard forward in our squad who he shackled at right mid in a 442. He would've done much better in my opinion, and this season we play far better football than Lambert.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2018 21:15:18 GMT
the other is a random bloke from Bromsgrove no one outside of the Midlands has ever heard of. They might disagree with that in Liverpool, London, Blackpool, and Cambridge, and a few more places.
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Post by roylandstoke on Nov 25, 2018 21:38:14 GMT
You've completely ignored the bit, where Lambert was facing infinitely superior opposition to what Rowett has had to face, managing a side that hadn't been fashioned in his own image. Considering the money spent on his own CHOICE OF players, built on the back of the highest wage bill in the league, Rowett's return to date, is nothing short of utterly abysmal. Did you see the image Lambert fashioned them into?? That side was easily good enough to stay up, and almost any other manager on earth would've kept us up. Rowett has completely overhauled a side, lost a top 4 premier league player who should've been enough to keep us up on his own, and produced middling-to-poor results in a difficult league. Staying in the Prem (especially with our side last year) is far easier than getting promoted from the Championship. I'm not saying Rowett has been excellent or even good, but he's Guardiola when compared with Lambert. He has been given the resources to assemble the team he wants: 2 Premier League defenders on loan, £16M on wingers, £10M+ on midfielders, £10M+ striker, and we are in the bottom half of the division. Rowett has spent more on players this season than most of the competition put together. He started with a squad that could have achieved a lower half finish in The Premier League. His playing staff must have the biggest wage bill in the league. I don't think it would be easy to have achieved poorer results and performances than Rowett has managed this year.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Nov 25, 2018 21:51:33 GMT
That is a better question. After the way we finished last season I don’t think there was much support amongst the fan base for retaining Lambert for our promotion drive. Thing is though it’s difficult to imagine he’d be doing worse than Rowett has so far. BM Lambert worked with what he had. Rowlett has had the opportunity to create a side. Hypothetical I know but “if” Rowett had the opportunity to build a Championship quality side - the problem is a lot of fans expected him to improve on what we had last year - he hasn't (no manager could - players know we aren't a Premiership side even if a lot of our fans haven't accepted it yet). In pure footballing terms we are a far worse side than we ever were under Hughes. Which is inevitable whoever was the manager, Hughes's record as a Premiership manager is pretty good. Rowett's record as a Championship manager is pretty good. Which means in absolute terms Hughes is a better manager than Rowett, Hughes's job was to keep us in the Premiership. He (sort of) failed. Rowett's job is to get our out of the Championship, It's not looking good but it's not over yet. So all in all it's a completely pointless comparison.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Nov 25, 2018 22:02:09 GMT
Lambert worked with what he had. Rowlett has had the opportunity to create a side. Hypothetical I know but “if” Rowett had the opportunity to build a Championship quality side - the problem is a lot of fans expected him to improve on what we had last year - he hasn't (no manager could - players know we aren't a Premiership side even if a lot of our fans haven't accepted it yet). In pure footballing terms we are a far worse side than we ever were under Hughes. Which is inevitable whoever was the manager, Hughes's record as a Premiership manager is pretty good. Rowett's record as a Championship manager is pretty good. Which means in absolute terms Hughes is a better manager than Rowett, Hughes's job was to keep us in the Premiership. He (sort of) failed. Rowett's job is to get our out of the Championship, It's not looking good but it's not over yet. So all in all it's a completely pointless comparison. I agree that it’s a pointless comparison between Rowlett and Hughes, however that was the OP. I asked the hypothetical question of whether or not Lambert would have been a better option than Rowlett given the opportunity of being in a position to build his own squad as Rowlett has. Up to now IMHO is a close run debate.
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Post by Gods on Nov 25, 2018 22:45:13 GMT
the other is a random bloke from Bromsgrove no one outside of the Midlands has ever heard of. They might disagree with that in Liverpool, London, Blackpool, and Cambridge, and a few more places. I had to wiki the Liverpool one and he did indeed play 4 times for Everton 25 years ago!
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Post by s7oke on Nov 26, 2018 6:34:20 GMT
Rowett has had a serious amount of luck this season in the games against Sheffield Bristol etc etc if they had been in the premiership we would have been slaughtered and not scraped a result Such is the quality in the championship the players put more goals away in the premiership and miss a lot less chances. rowett has us playing against worse players and only just grinding out results He’s spent a fortune and it’s his squad and tactics (if you want to call them tactics) that the team are playing with In my opinion he’s an expensive mistake and I can’t see results improving I hope I am wrong but I think he’s been caught out now and it is just luck that’s keeping him in a job We need defenders to defend and we needed strengthening in those positions Pre season any Stoke fan could have told you that. If the January window arrives and he doesn’t get the right players in it could be interesting. He has the same problem as Hughes he’s blinkerex he gets decent players in and plays them in the wrong positions or with the wrong tactics. This league is not for the faint hearted and sometimes you have to go for it and sometimes you need pace and an attacking attitude to get points on the table. Not just sit back and hope something will happen. We have no strengths anywhere on the pitch how we are set up.
Under Pulus at least we were strong ang organised and had a game plan no matter how boring it looked at times and teams feared playing us and we loved that.
Rowett is scared of failure and by being scared he is failing.
He strangles the life out of his teams buying players he knows generally proven players and not giving youth or younger loan players a chance because he knows that he isn’t a coach and can’t bring them on.
In an interview he said he wouldn’t loan younger players from premiership or other clubs because he felt it wasn’t right he should improve them for their clubs with his coaching skills
What coaching skills I ask ? He’s just frightened of getting found out. I would rather we signed young players on loan who would have been here to prove a point than the so called proven ones that he has signed he did the same at Derby in the hope that they knew enough to get him out of trouble. Ask a Derby fan on Wednesday night they will tell you the same and they will also tell you that he blames players in public instead of letting the blame fall at his feet on a regular basis
It’s never his fault !!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2018 6:50:35 GMT
I'd say the majority of premiership managers would really struggle in the championship and that includes their teams
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 26, 2018 7:59:57 GMT
I'd say the majority of premiership managers would really struggle in the championship and that includes their teams Based on what?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2018 8:46:03 GMT
I'd say the majority of premiership managers would really struggle in the championship and that includes their teams Based on what? Based on what the rest of you are basing it on Fresh fucking air
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2018 9:06:08 GMT
Is Rowlett any better than Paul Lambert? No he's not and I wasn't a Lambert fan by any measure! Poundland Pulis 😕
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