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Post by gingerninja on Sept 30, 2018 10:00:49 GMT
Is losing patience with Rowett and is desperate for the comfort blanket of a Moyes or McCarthy. Hope I am wrong as I think Rowett will bring success given time.
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Post by Roger Everyone on Sept 30, 2018 10:05:14 GMT
Stick with Rowett, it will come together eventually. Rome wasn't built in a day
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Sept 30, 2018 10:09:19 GMT
Stick with Rowett...P45s for you know who!
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Post by roylandstoke on Sept 30, 2018 10:13:33 GMT
If Coates is losing patience with Rowett it would be totally understandable.
Many chairmen would have acted already if their teams were under performing to the extent that we are.
Our defending this season has been embarrassing.
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Post by adamsson on Sept 30, 2018 10:17:17 GMT
Is losing patience with Rowett and is desperate for the comfort blanket of a Moyes or McCarthy. Hope I am wrong as I think Rowett will bring success given time. Why do you think he will bring success? I can see no evidence of improvement. |
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Post by xchpotter on Sept 30, 2018 10:21:36 GMT
My horrible feeling around Coates is more around him turning the money taps off and seeing no further investment come January. He really has taken his eye off the ball over the last couple of years and I’m not sure how much longer he is in this for. My fear is that if he loses interest, his default will be saving his money and maximising the assets of the club.
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Post by MilanStokie on Sept 30, 2018 10:21:50 GMT
Is losing patience with Rowett and is desperate for the comfort blanket of a Moyes or McCarthy. Hope I am wrong as I think Rowett will bring success given time. Why do you think he will bring success? I can see no evidence of improvement. Because the performances in general haven't been terrible. Huge individual errors culminating on goals have. Dominated Blackburn, long ball over the top of a napping defender, goal. Dominated Wigan, same outcome. Dominated Rotherham, stupid decision by Williams on an easily avoidable penalty. If you can't take any positives from yesterday them I'm afraid you want us to fail. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2018 10:22:21 GMT
I think that it's becoming apparent that ever SuperTone would struggle to get this defence ship-shape.
Change the manager today, and I'm not sure we'd see any improvement in results.
Change the back four today, and that's where we'd start to see a difference.
It'll realistically take two windows to sort.
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Post by gingerninja on Sept 30, 2018 10:23:29 GMT
If you can't see the quality of the attacking play has improved and is improving game on game then you need to give up.
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Post by jarhead on Sept 30, 2018 10:24:06 GMT
The last two post above are spot on.
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Post by jarhead on Sept 30, 2018 10:24:45 GMT
Not including’s ginga though
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Sept 30, 2018 10:25:01 GMT
I'm sure he likes the comfort blanket of not shelling out a few million more!
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 30, 2018 10:29:21 GMT
You would see immediate changes if an experienced top level coach came in
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2018 10:32:54 GMT
You would see immediate changes if an experienced top level coach came in What? We would suddenly stop handing freebies out to the opposition?? Go and re-watch the goals that we've conceded this season. More than half are due to rank, poor, individual errors. Like Robert Huth just said on GoS - players have to take responsibility for their own performances. |
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Post by onefatcopper on Sept 30, 2018 10:35:04 GMT
Is losing patience with Rowett and is desperate for the comfort blanket of a Moyes or McCarthy. Hope I am wrong as I think Rowett will bring success given time. Why do you think he will bring success? I can see no evidence of improvement. I know that this is very hard to recall but stick with me, instead of the game of hide and seek that Butland and several of his friends play, there’s another type of game where Butland is ON and the rest of his friends run away from him to the other end of the grass, if they manage to get the ball that Butland kicks to them through the white sticks they win and Butland stays ON, This is called scoring a goal, and it’s evidence of a improvement. |
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 30, 2018 10:35:31 GMT
You would see immediate changes if an experienced top level coach came in What? We would suddenly stop handing freebies out to the opposition?? Go and re-watch the goals that we've conceded this season. More than half are due to rank, poor, individual errors. Like Robert Huth just said on GoS - players have to take responsibility for their own performances. You can't cut out mistakes completely but many of them are symptoms of an overall malaise, disorganisation,anxiety filtering down from a confused and anxious manager and coaching staff. There is an air of desperation in everything we do that is totally unnecessary. |
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Post by BristolMick on Sept 30, 2018 11:19:05 GMT
What? We would suddenly stop handing freebies out to the opposition?? Go and re-watch the goals that we've conceded this season. More than half are due to rank, poor, individual errors. Like Robert Huth just said on GoS - players have to take responsibility for their own performances. You can't cut out mistakes completely but many of them are symptoms of an overall malaise, disorganisation,anxiety filtering down from a confused and anxious manager and coaching staff. There is an air of desperation in everything we do that is totally unnecessary. People see what they WANT to see. I want Rowett to succeed,I like 90% of what I’ve been watching this season and believe we are only stupid mistakes away from having a brilliant season. I think therefore the opposite of what you do and that our manager is very focused about what he sees, what he wants and what he will change and has said as much in his pressers. BM |
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Post by fca47 on Sept 30, 2018 11:22:53 GMT
On TV John Coates was repeatedly shaking his head, I would think he has more to fear from him
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Sept 30, 2018 11:30:00 GMT
Why do you think he will bring success? I can see no evidence of improvement. Because the performances in general haven't been terrible. Huge individual errors culminating on goals have. Dominated Blackburn, long ball over the top of a napping defender, goal. Dominated Wigan, same outcome. Dominated Rotherham, stupid decision by Williams on an easily avoidable penalty. If you can't take any positives from yesterday them I'm afraid you want us to fail. That's not the full story though, if it were only a litany of individual errors then fair enough, but it's how the team, collectively, respond to these errors, and typically that involves a complete and utter chaotic breakdown for the following 15-20 minutes, which more often than not leads us to conceding more. That's not individuals, that's a group mentality of panic and shows a lack of organisation, planning and composure. It's the manager's job to address this tendency towards self-destruction and he's not doing anything that's working. It's almost like the squad accepts that it will inevitably concede two or three, so when the first goes in, they're convinved more will follow in a really frustrating self-fulfilling prophecy. |
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Post by MilanStokie on Sept 30, 2018 11:38:00 GMT
I won't deny they are a fragile group. but I think that's what relegation coupled with sky high expectations do to a team.
I think once the errors stop, the results will consistently come in and with it our team confidence grows.
The issue for me is that I now doubt we can resolve the above this season and the choice at centre back is so dire that despite mistakes, they aren't learning and when replaced, the replacement is doing the same.
Souttar needs a run of games now.
And we MUST consider a backup on a free.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2018 11:43:46 GMT
On TV John Coates was repeatedly shaking his head, I would think he has more to fear from him And Peter looked like he was sucking a pickle. Not happy bunnies at all. |
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Post by sportsman on Sept 30, 2018 11:58:58 GMT
No manager in world football could sort out that defence.
Unless of course you went with a pulis type manager, but then you'd have two lines of four over compensating for it which I do not want.
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Post by FrankButcher on Sept 30, 2018 11:59:51 GMT
On TV John Coates was repeatedly shaking his head, I would think he has more to fear from him Does make you wonder how much more him and Peter are prepared to take before they feel enough is enough! |
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Post by rawli on Sept 30, 2018 12:03:23 GMT
On TV John Coates was repeatedly shaking his head, I would think he has more to fear from him Perhaps he was thinking to himself that the gruesome twosome have really fucked him and the club over. |
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Post by rawli on Sept 30, 2018 12:04:25 GMT
Why do you think he will bring success? I can see no evidence of improvement. Because the performances in general haven't been terrible. Huge individual errors culminating on goals have. Dominated Blackburn, long ball over the top of a napping defender, goal. Dominated Wigan, same outcome. Dominated Rotherham, stupid decision by Williams on an easily avoidable penalty. If you can't take any positives from yesterday them I'm afraid you want us to fail. You forgot Sheff Wednesday which was the same. |
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Post by StaffordPotter on Sept 30, 2018 12:10:14 GMT
Sacking the man would be stupid. He's got a lot to sort out even now. Get some more players in January and we'll be sound.
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Post by wuzza on Sept 30, 2018 12:13:23 GMT
People talk as though our attacking play is something to behold !
For as many times as it has worked ( eg spells in yesterday’s game) it has twice as often ground along in a totally slow predictable and unproductive manner ( large chunks of every home game )
Sure the defence is the over riding issue but I really don’t think the top end of the pitch has been sorted either.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 30, 2018 12:17:50 GMT
I suspect they are not that stupid and can see the whole bunch of positive effects one summer under Gary Rowett has brought to the team. If they can't see what/who the actual problem at the club is then more the fool them.
Sack Rowett and all the good work comes undone, the positives will be gone and we are back to square one.
He's knows the problem, he's well aware of it and it will be fixed as soon as possible by changing personal. He's a football manager not a magician.
There is no certainties that another manager won't come in and completely balls up the good work all ready been done.
GR has done a good job this far imo, it's plain to see once the defence is sorted we will be a good outfit
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 30, 2018 12:26:45 GMT
I think Moyes would be available.
We spoke to him in the summer. At the time we were in negotiations about Rowett, it wasn't him turning us down, it was that he wasn't first choice and the club were happy for it to be reported in that way once it was clear Rowett would join.
The owners know Moyes and his brother well, I think Moyes would be in.
I hope we have approached his brother again, I think Moyes would have an immediate impact on the defence, would calm things down
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 30, 2018 12:27:04 GMT
Sacking the man would be stupid. He's got a lot to sort out even now. Get some more players in January and we'll be sound. Wait till January and we will not be promoted. Fortunately the leaders are also dropping points, but we still need to act now. I would play with the youngsters, accept we will concede goals, and go all out attack; less of the passing from side to side. Surely the free CBs can't be worse than the ones we have got. |
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