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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 30, 2018 12:27:44 GMT
I suspect they are not that stupid and can see the whole bunch of positive effects one summer under Gary Rowett has brought to the team. If they can't see what/who the actual problem at the club is then more the fool them. Sack Rowett and all the good work comes undone, the positives will be gone and we are back to square one. He's knows the problem, he's well aware of it and it will be fixed as soon as possible by changing personal. He's a football manager not a magician. There is no certainties that another manager won't come in and completely balls up the good work all ready been done. GR has done a good job this far imo, it's plain to see once the defence is sorted we will be a good outfit Being 17th in the league does not point to a positive impact. The aim was to get promoted
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 30, 2018 12:30:51 GMT
No manager in world football could sort out that defence. Unless of course you went with a pulis type manager, but then you'd have two lines of four over compensating for it which I do not want. Which is what Lambert did. And it got us relegated. For the first time since Arnie left we look like a team that can dominate teams and score goals from open play. Despite the results I'm actually enjoying the football. It's the defence that needs changing, not the manager. Coates has a history of being patient so I can't see any decisions being made util the end of the season. In addition the fans are massively divided about what they are seeing on the pitch - some see a poor side with no hope of improving, others (like myself) see definite signs of improvement and hope for the future - providing the defensive frailties get sorted. It would be interesting to see which games Coates has been watching.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 30, 2018 13:15:59 GMT
International break will see a change , but if course the real culprit will be quietly chuckling away at another bullet dodged ,another patsy nicely positioned and a further extension of no accountability for incomprehendibly appalling job performance , will be interesting to see what influence they have over the next appointment , their short list will be very very different from those mentioned on here who would insist on control , and no interference , and certainly no cheap loans as opposed to top targets ..
It’s pains me to lint out this was absolutely inevitable when relegation produced only a change of manager and one with too much to lose to really dig in .
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Post by tony1234 on Sept 30, 2018 14:20:32 GMT
Is losing patience with Rowett and is desperate for the comfort blanket of a Moyes or McCarthy. Hope I am wrong as I think Rowett will bring success given time. It wont be results, it will be if Rowett is too public in lamenting having to work with imbeciles that get in the way.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2018 14:34:30 GMT
If Coates is losing patience with Rowett it would be totally understandable. Many chairmen would have acted already if their teams were under performing to the extent that we are. Our defending this season has been embarrassing. Our defending has been terrible for years
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Post by songthrush01 on Sept 30, 2018 15:18:59 GMT
the first time for years i have been entertained by a stoke team.its just squeaky bum time all the time,great stuff
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Post by march4 on Sept 30, 2018 15:20:03 GMT
Which Coates?
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 30, 2018 15:34:03 GMT
I suspect they are not that stupid and can see the whole bunch of positive effects one summer under Gary Rowett has brought to the team. If they can't see what/who the actual problem at the club is then more the fool them. Sack Rowett and all the good work comes undone, the positives will be gone and we are back to square one. He's knows the problem, he's well aware of it and it will be fixed as soon as possible by changing personal. He's a football manager not a magician. There is no certainties that another manager won't come in and completely balls up the good work all ready been done. GR has done a good job this far imo, it's plain to see once the defence is sorted we will be a good outfit Being 17th in the league does not point to a positive impact. The aim was to get promoted and it still is, it's called work in progress. It was a daft comment to suggest we were going up at the first time of asking. We were not relegated with a premier league squad, we were relegated with a complete abortion of a squad as results, performances, balance & attitudes proved. Complete fantasy to think that that bunch of no hopers were going to walk a competitive league like this one with even a half dozen new additions. That's just how bad of a state we were in. After 1 summer Rowett has us looking something like we're turning it around and defence aside it's good to watch, even if results don't seem to show it at the moment. There is a definate noticeable improvement in performances, fitness & comittment. This team are being let down by a defence that has been letting us down for 2 years. They would be fools to get rid without sorting the defence & they'll know it
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 30, 2018 16:28:15 GMT
Being 17th in the league does not point to a positive impact. The aim was to get promoted and it still is, it's called work in progress. It was a daft comment to suggest we were going up at the first time of asking. We were not relegated with a premier league squad, we were relegated with a complete abortion of a squad as results, performances, balance & attitudes proved. Complete fantasy to think that that bunch of no hopers were going to walk a competitive league like this one with even a half dozen new additions. That's just how bad of a state we were in. After 1 summer Rowett has us looking something like we're turning it around and defence aside it's good to watch, even if results don't seem to show it at the moment. There is a definate noticeable improvement in performances, fitness & comittment. This team are being let down by a defence that has been letting us down for 2 years. They would be fools to get rid without sorting the defence & they'll know it The squad was not an abortion of a squad, a convenient excuse repeated incessantly by those skimming over the shambolic management of Hughes,lambert and now Rowett. It was an unbalanced squad, everyone agrees. Rowett has the summer, and more backing than any other manager in the league, to rebalance. He has been able to keep players with hundreds if premier league appearances, and several internationals. The players he has are underperforming. There is a complete lack of organisation. The buck stops with the manager. The owners will believe top six is a minimum. This can't go on much longer. Rowett is making a huge pigs ear of things. He won't last much longer
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 30, 2018 16:36:57 GMT
Being 17th in the league does not point to a positive impact. The aim was to get promoted and it still is, it's called work in progress. It was a daft comment to suggest we were going up at the first time of asking. We were not relegated with a premier league squad, we were relegated with a complete abortion of a squad as results, performances, balance & attitudes proved. Complete fantasy to think that that bunch of no hopers were going to walk a competitive league like this one with even a half dozen new additions. That's just how bad of a state we were in. After 1 summer Rowett has us looking something like we're turning it around and defence aside it's good to watch, even if results don't seem to show it at the moment. There is a definate noticeable improvement in performances, fitness & comittment. This team are being let down by a defence that has been letting us down for 2 years. They would be fools to get rid without sorting the defence & they'll know it According to Lawrence, the people running the club don't see the defence as an issue! Which is it?
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Post by Absolution on Sept 30, 2018 16:42:04 GMT
We're not going to make top 6 with this defence whether we replace Rowett or not in my opinion.
My main worry isn't whether Rowett stays or goes, though on balance I'd rather we kept him. My worry is that we may be flying too close to breaching FFP rules for us to do anything about replacing the defence.
I was told by someone who is a semi-regular visitor to the ground through his work that FFP is a big issue. This might be why we bid so low for Chester (rather than us being cute), and why the only defenders we got in were loans.
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Post by kustokie on Sept 30, 2018 16:48:27 GMT
It’s too early to fire Rowett because he has to be given time to show he can turn this around. The problem evolved over two to three years and won’t be fixed in 10 games (maybe not in one season). Coates wanted Rowett last season so I am sure he’ll give him more time. Also, history suggests Coates does not like to fire people and often waits until it’s too late, which is why Laurel and Hardy are still running the show.
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Post by ursemboys on Sept 30, 2018 16:49:05 GMT
I think Moyes would be available. We spoke to him in the summer. At the time we were in negotiations about Rowett, it wasn't him turning us down, it was that he wasn't first choice and the club were happy for it to be reported in that way once it was clear Rowett would join. The owners know Moyes and his brother well, I think Moyes would be in. I hope we have approached his brother again, I think Moyes would have an immediate impact on the defence, would calm things down Moyes turned us down simple ,and how would he sort the defence ,and by the way he destroyed Sunderland ,he did ok at west hame but to be fair he had a fair team so that wasn't to difficult ,now unless I am mistaken if he came in would he get a window to get a defender in ? no I don't think so, so how do you recon he would sort the defence and this is just my option but I think he is a crap manager and I don't get the rush for Moyes
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Sept 30, 2018 16:50:37 GMT
I have a horrible feeling the club put to much faith in our so called big me players and have them long improved contracts when they should of backed the manager and got new blood in in key positions
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Post by lstokie on Sept 30, 2018 16:55:01 GMT
Is losing patience with Rowett and is desperate for the comfort blanket of a Moyes or McCarthy. Hope I am wrong as I think Rowett will bring success given time. Why do you think he will bring success? I can see no evidence of improvement. No evidence? We scored 35 goals in 38 games last season. It's nice that it's not such a rarity this season, despite the drop in leagues.
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 30, 2018 17:05:41 GMT
Why do you think he will bring success? I can see no evidence of improvement. No evidence? We scored 35 goals in 38 games last season. It's nice that it's not such a rarity this season, despite the drop in leagues. We're 17th in a dreadful division, conceding 2/3 goals a game to promoted sides despite spending £40million on new footballers. The evidence is damning.
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Post by keasie1863 on Sept 30, 2018 17:13:35 GMT
You can't cut out mistakes completely but many of them are symptoms of an overall malaise, disorganisation,anxiety filtering down from a confused and anxious manager and coaching staff. There is an air of desperation in everything we do that is totally unnecessary. People see what they WANT to see. I want Rowett to succeed,I like 90% of what I’ve been watching this season and believe we are only stupid mistakes away from having a brilliant season. I think therefore the opposite of what you do and that our manager is very focused about what he sees, what he wants and what he will change and has said as much in his pressers. BM Top post,you are not alone 😁
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 30, 2018 17:16:48 GMT
and it still is, it's called work in progress. It was a daft comment to suggest we were going up at the first time of asking. We were not relegated with a premier league squad, we were relegated with a complete abortion of a squad as results, performances, balance & attitudes proved. Complete fantasy to think that that bunch of no hopers were going to walk a competitive league like this one with even a half dozen new additions. That's just how bad of a state we were in. After 1 summer Rowett has us looking something like we're turning it around and defence aside it's good to watch, even if results don't seem to show it at the moment. There is a definate noticeable improvement in performances, fitness & comittment. This team are being let down by a defence that has been letting us down for 2 years. They would be fools to get rid without sorting the defence & they'll know it According to Lawrence, the people running the club don't see the defence as an issue! Which is it? Would that be the Coates' or the head of recruitment & chief executive? I suspect the latter
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 30, 2018 17:17:52 GMT
and it still is, it's called work in progress. It was a daft comment to suggest we were going up at the first time of asking. We were not relegated with a premier league squad, we were relegated with a complete abortion of a squad as results, performances, balance & attitudes proved. Complete fantasy to think that that bunch of no hopers were going to walk a competitive league like this one with even a half dozen new additions. That's just how bad of a state we were in. After 1 summer Rowett has us looking something like we're turning it around and defence aside it's good to watch, even if results don't seem to show it at the moment. There is a definate noticeable improvement in performances, fitness & comittment. This team are being let down by a defence that has been letting us down for 2 years. They would be fools to get rid without sorting the defence & they'll know it The squad was not an abortion of a squad, a convenient excuse repeated incessantly by those skimming over the shambolic management of Hughes,lambert and now Rowett. It was an unbalanced squad, everyone agrees. Rowett has the summer, and more backing than any other manager in the league, to rebalance. He has been able to keep players with hundreds if premier league appearances, and several internationals. The players he has are underperforming. There is a complete lack of organisation. The buck stops with the manager. The owners will believe top six is a minimum. This can't go on much longer. Rowett is making a huge pigs ear of things. He won't last much longer Sorry mate don't agree, the squad was gash, everything about it imo
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Post by Miles Offside on Sept 30, 2018 17:39:43 GMT
Is losing patience with Rowett and is desperate for the comfort blanket of a Moyes or McCarthy. Hope I am wrong as I think Rowett will bring success given time. Moyes is better than a comfort blanket. He's a very decent manager.
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Post by gingerninja on Sept 30, 2018 17:49:13 GMT
Would defeat to Bolton push him over the edge?
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Post by johnnypotter on Sept 30, 2018 18:00:07 GMT
My real fear is that the wrong person will again be sacked, which leaves those who continually fail the club keeping their highly paid jobs. Sometimes,those in charge can't see the woods for the trees.
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Post by FrankButcher on Sept 30, 2018 18:11:22 GMT
Would defeat to Bolton push him over the edge? My gut feeling is if we lost to Bolton and Norwich he may well think about it due to having an international break but I think he should wait a little longer I was looking at the table earlier as people have already said we are six points from the play offs but we are four points adfrit of 15th!! We need to get 4 points from the next 2 games as a minimum or we could be in danger of being cut adfrit of mid table never mind the play offs.
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Post by lstokie on Sept 30, 2018 18:14:24 GMT
No evidence? We scored 35 goals in 38 games last season. It's nice that it's not such a rarity this season, despite the drop in leagues. We're 17th in a dreadful division, conceding 2/3 goals a game to promoted sides despite spending £40million on new footballers. The evidence is damning. Rowett said earlier this week he was told to concentrate on forward signings and to ignore the defence. He's got us scoring but we're still leaking in goals like we were under Hughes. The evidence is damning against whoever decided our defence didn't need a full clean out.
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Post by VolvicStokie on Sept 30, 2018 18:58:32 GMT
Not a prayer will Coates get rid of Rowett. We paid like 3 million quid for the bloke!
Overall I like him and think given time, patience and backing we've got a hell of a manager on our hands.
Everyone should show abit more faith in Gary. He's certainly not having us play dull football, we're dominating teams now we've got what looks a near enough settled formation and team.
Sort the defence out and we're going to be storming up the league. Don't worry!
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Post by chumley on Sept 30, 2018 19:07:10 GMT
If GR goes then there's all his backroom staff, what a pay off that would be, give em time..
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Post by maliciousdamage on Sept 30, 2018 19:09:19 GMT
Is losing patience with Rowett and is desperate for the comfort blanket of a Moyes or McCarthy. Hope I am wrong as I think Rowett will bring success given time. a win over Bolton and a draw at Norwich will see him safe two draws may buy him time two loses he will be gone
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Post by onefatcopper on Sept 30, 2018 19:30:43 GMT
Is losing patience with Rowett and is desperate for the comfort blanket of a Moyes or McCarthy. Hope I am wrong as I think Rowett will bring success given time. Moyes is better than a comfort blanket. He's a very decent manager. What is the big deal with Moyes? What has he actually accomplished with Preston, Everton, Manchester Utd, His Spanish adventure, Sunderland & West Ham ? The answer is a big fat ZERO, He’s never led a team to promotion, to a Title in any league , To a Cup win , In fact the only notable thing that he has to his name is the relegation of Sunderland. ! People will point to the European adventures with Everton, but didn’t Stokes arch nemesis Mr Pulis take us on a similar journey to the continent ?
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Post by blackpoolred on Sept 30, 2018 19:42:04 GMT
If Coates is losing patience with Rowett it would be totally understandable. Many chairmen would have acted already if their teams were under performing to the extent that we are. Our defending this season has been embarrassing. Our defence has been underperforming for a few years now and Rowett has tried to bring new faces in. For whatever reason the transfer team was not able to bring any of his targets in so he was left with the mess that was the making of his predecessors - not his fault! He is working with a club that was rotten to the core. Only those with their heads buried firmly up their backsides could possibly expect him to change an entire squad/starting 11 and ethos of club in a handful of games. Time for our chairman and fans to get real - we are moving in the right direction
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Sept 30, 2018 19:59:48 GMT
We're 17th in a dreadful division, conceding 2/3 goals a game to promoted sides despite spending £40million on new footballers. The evidence is damning. Rowett said earlier this week he was told to concentrate on forward signings and to ignore the defence. He's got us scoring but we're still leaking in goals like we were under Hughes. The evidence is damning against whoever decided our defence didn't need a full clean out. Christ he’s the manager, was told to ignore the defense? By who? He’s the manager of our club, the person who supposedly has the most footballing knowledge. It’d be like the receptionist telling the GP that the patient doesn’t have a heart problem and to focus on the abdomen!! It’s spurious
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