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Post by fca47 on Sept 27, 2018 13:16:47 GMT
Strangely West Brom and Swansea that were losing all the time last year seem to have got a grip. what the Swansea side that are 14th and 1 win above us?? Yes having to play without their midfield. Considering how many games have been played one win is significant. |
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Post by ursemboys on Sept 27, 2018 13:20:00 GMT
what the Swansea side that are 14th and 1 win above us?? Yes having to play without their midfield. Considering how many games have been played one win is significant. in that case we aint doing to bad then with out a defence lol |
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Post by hanibal7 on Sept 27, 2018 13:24:56 GMT
To all of those calling for Rowetts head, what exactly did you expect? Did you expect a team that has been losing and playing badly for 18months to all of a sudden be world beaters? There’s some kind of perception that we have got a great squad of players that should be turning anyone and everyone over, stop living in the past. Those players that you say should be out there and winning at a canter have been shit for 18 months and have picked up a nasty habit of losing games of football. Anyone who thinks that Rowett was going to come in, with complete new back room staff and coaches and turn us into Real Madrid overnight, you are deluded, get off the Monkey Dust. Rowett took on an astronomical task, a squad that perfected the art of losing and conceding goals. He’s made some solid signings with the right minerals to compete in this league. For all intensive purposes, the players letting us down are players that were here before Rowett took over (mainly the back 4). We aren’t being freely carved open each week, the defensive shape is good, individual school boy errors are costing us games and points. How do you stop that? Yes, the manager is ultimately responsible but how exactly do you stop a player from making a stupid schoolboy errors like that. Especially when they don’t defend that way in training. Expectation is one of the biggest problems. Too many fans are expecting us to stroll the league, to dominate in every game we play. On what basis? Somebody tell me. What evidence makes you think that should be the case? Rowett will come good in time. Not overnight. If we have to go another season in The Championship before mounting a real push for promotion then so be it. We have no given right to be a premier league club and Rowett has a serious task to turn this around, one he should be given a fair shake to try and complete. Not fuck him off after 10 games. Very good post mate. I am too drained to post like that, I just expect everybody is articulate and sensible. Half on here cannot even spell, and never heard of commas and full stops. I never understand some posts. |
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Post by future100 on Sept 27, 2018 13:54:17 GMT
I don't think that many people expected us to be 3 down at half time to average championship sides, all of the conjecture about Scholes and Cartwright is just that ... conjecture, at the end of the day we are talking about a manager in a job where he is probably earning £14,000 + per week for which any company would expect results along with the customers of that company.
If he had been bought in to revitalise a flagging sales force and that sales forces performance deteriorated even more how long do you think he would last, and blaming the performance on other people wouldn't wash.
As has been pointed out many times on here we are in a division below where we were last season with a team made up of ex premier league players and players bought in by a manager who is supposed to be an expert on what it takes to get out of this division and nothing is working, as his luck finally run out?
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Post by santy on Sept 27, 2018 16:31:57 GMT
Leeds United won 4 in their last 21 games last season. They didn't beat anyone during that time of particular note. They looked like a team that ought to be contending relegation.
It took their manager about 10 minutes of the first game of the season to turn them around.
The fact Rowett doesn't seem capable of doing it with a better squad, with more money, with more of his own signings suggests an awful lot. But none of it is that this current situation is "about right" when you put all the factors in place.
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Post by daveandeddy on Sept 27, 2018 17:00:47 GMT
But the money's no good....Just get a grip of yourself. and you should know |
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 27, 2018 17:08:52 GMT
I don't think that many people expected us to be 3 down at half time to average championship sides, all of the conjecture about Scholes and Cartwright is just that ... conjecture, at the end of the day we are talking about a manager in a job where he is probably earning £14,000 + per week for which any company would expect results along with the customers of that company. If he had been bought in to revitalise a flagging sales force and that sales forces performance deteriorated even more how long do you think he would last, and blaming the performance on other people wouldn't wash. As has been pointed out many times on here we are in a division below where we were last season with a team made up of ex premier league players and players bought in by a manager who is supposed to be an expert on what it takes to get out of this division and nothing is working, as his luck finally run out? How can Gary Rowett be an expert at getting out of any division let alone the Championship? He's never been promoted. |
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Post by superheroantonius on Sept 27, 2018 17:09:13 GMT
Bloody hell. If you are going to argue with someone on here try to read and understand their posts! I did read and understand the post. He’s saying Lambert is better than Rowett based on the fact he had us conceding less. He then proceeds to say that he ‘did more’ than Rowett has done because the players listened to him. 1) Any manager can achieve a team that’s difficult to beat by parking 11 men behind the ball with no intention of scoring. 2) Its a damn site easier to get players to listen to and complete the following instruction.. “stay compact, don’t move, don’t commit yourselves forward and try and nick a goal if an opportunity arises”. Than it is to say “play positively at every opportunity, keep the ball for long spells, move the ball quick, get forward with the full backs high up the pitch AS WELL AS DONT CONCEDE”. I reckon there’s a good chance Barney Rubble could achieve number 1. But is that really what Stoke fans want to see? It can’t be because most of us are in absolute agreement that Lambert had to go. It’s not as Black and White as Lambert stopped us conceding freely, yes he did, but also because of the way we played we looked like we would play for a month and not score. It is an opinion that what Lambert did was better. I’d rather we’d won 2 games like we have and watched a few high-scoring games than parked the bus every single week and drawn all 9. Yes I want to see us harder to beat, but do I want to see us harder to beat whilst being absolutely bored shitless without a cat in hells chance of scoring at the other end? No. Its not a task to be underestimated. I can see both points view ... Lambert's striking options were peter (I think I will go into media , as i am getting on a bit , it will be a laugh , and besides everyone in the prem is faster than me , except Charlie Adam ) crouch Saido ( 80 grand a week !!! F#ck me !! How much drugs and whores can you buy with that ??? Let's find out ) berahino Jesse ( let's use the fact my newborn child is ill as the perfect excuse to skive footie and go off partying ) Rodriguez And Mame ( oh no I have missed an open goal again , I have passed to the one spurs player instead of the three Stoke , oh no I have totally forgot how to play football ) diouf That is definitely the worst selection in the prem None of them looked like scoring Literally his only hope , was try not to concede and Knick a goal It was that desperate , because it really was that desperate Amazingly if Charlie Adam had put away his peno , and butland not thrown the ball into his net ...it would have worked !!!! Unbelievable Jeff !!! But you are right ...Rowett is trying to do something less basic and good luck to him . if , huge if , he can stop scholes , carto and JC , f#cking over all his transfer Windows he might get somewhere ?? Good luck to him |
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Post by Block 22 on Sept 27, 2018 19:25:34 GMT
Leeds United won 4 in their last 21 games last season. They didn't beat anyone during that time of particular note. They looked like a team that ought to be contending relegation. It took their manager about 10 minutes of the first game of the season to turn them around. The fact Rowett doesn't seem capable of doing it with a better squad, with more money, with more of his own signings suggests an awful lot. But none of it is that this current situation is "about right" when you put all the factors in place. With a better squad? What is that based on? Your favourite past time? Our squad is a sack of shit full of players that love losing I’m not sure how that is a better squad.. they used to be good but for the last 2 years have looked terrible. That’s pretty definitive to me that we aren’t a better squad. Being a good squad in the past or on paper counts for nothing. Leeds are miles ahead of us personnel wise and based on the last 2 years of evidence I’d probably swap man-to-man every player with theirs. Other than maybe woods and afobe. |
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Post by geoff321 on Sept 27, 2018 19:49:20 GMT
Leeds United won 4 in their last 21 games last season. They didn't beat anyone during that time of particular note. They looked like a team that ought to be contending relegation. It took their manager about 10 minutes of the first game of the season to turn them around. The fact Rowett doesn't seem capable of doing it with a better squad, with more money, with more of his own signings suggests an awful lot. But none of it is that this current situation is "about right" when you put all the factors in place. With a better squad? What is that based on? Your favourite past time? Our squad is a sack of shit full of players that love losing I’m not sure how that is a better squad.. they used to be good but for the last 2 years have looked terrible. That’s pretty definitive to me that we aren’t a better squad. Being a good squad in the past or on paper counts for nothing. Leeds are miles ahead of us personnel wise and based on the last 2 years of evidence I’d probably swap man-to-man every player with theirs. Other than maybe woods and afobe. If our squad is a sack of shit, why do you think Rowett left Derby for Stoke? |
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Sept 27, 2018 19:51:49 GMT
To all of those calling for Rowetts head, what exactly did you expect? Did you expect a team that has been losing and playing badly for 18months to all of a sudden be world beaters? There’s some kind of perception that we have got a great squad of players that should be turning anyone and everyone over, stop living in the past. Those players that you say should be out there and winning at a canter have been shit for 18 months and have picked up a nasty habit of losing games of football. Anyone who thinks that Rowett was going to come in, with complete new back room staff and coaches and turn us into Real Madrid overnight, you are deluded, get off the Monkey Dust. Rowett took on an astronomical task, a squad that perfected the art of losing and conceding goals. He’s made some solid signings with the right minerals to compete in this league. For all intensive purposes, the players letting us down are players that were here before Rowett took over (mainly the back 4). We aren’t being freely carved open each week, the defensive shape is good, individual school boy errors are costing us games and points. How do you stop that? Yes, the manager is ultimately responsible but how exactly do you stop a player from making a stupid schoolboy errors like that. Especially when they don’t defend that way in training. Expectation is one of the biggest problems. Too many fans are expecting us to stroll the league, to dominate in every game we play. On what basis? Somebody tell me. What evidence makes you think that should be the case? Rowett will come good in time. Not overnight. If we have to go another season in The Championship before mounting a real push for promotion then so be it. We have no given right to be a premier league club and Rowett has a serious task to turn this around, one he should be given a fair shake to try and complete. Not fuck him off after 10 games. Top post. |
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 27, 2018 20:04:11 GMT
To all of those calling for Rowetts head, what exactly did you expect? Did you expect a team that has been losing and playing badly for 18months to all of a sudden be world beaters? There’s some kind of perception that we have got a great squad of players that should be turning anyone and everyone over, stop living in the past. Those players that you say should be out there and winning at a canter have been shit for 18 months and have picked up a nasty habit of losing games of football. Anyone who thinks that Rowett was going to come in, with complete new back room staff and coaches and turn us into Real Madrid overnight, you are deluded, get off the Monkey Dust. Rowett took on an astronomical task, a squad that perfected the art of losing and conceding goals. He’s made some solid signings with the right minerals to compete in this league. For all intensive purposes, the players letting us down are players that were here before Rowett took over (mainly the back 4). We aren’t being freely carved open each week, the defensive shape is good, individual school boy errors are costing us games and points. How do you stop that? Yes, the manager is ultimately responsible but how exactly do you stop a player from making a stupid schoolboy errors like that. Especially when they don’t defend that way in training. Expectation is one of the biggest problems. Too many fans are expecting us to stroll the league, to dominate in every game we play. On what basis? Somebody tell me. What evidence makes you think that should be the case? Rowett will come good in time. Not overnight. If we have to go another season in The Championship before mounting a real push for promotion then so be it. We have no given right to be a premier league club and Rowett has a serious task to turn this around, one he should be given a fair shake to try and complete. Not fuck him off after 10 games. Top post. It is utter utter nonsense. Why do stoke fans expect so much? It has nothing to do with a belief in being inherently superior to everyone else. Expectation levels are high maybe because we have by far the greatest financial backing in the league? Furthermore, it was universally agreed by anyone with a brain cell pre season that stoke city had a higher calibre of player throughout the squad than anyone else in the league. For example, the defence which currently looks more shambolic than it did in the days of nicky mohan and Brian small, contains so full Holland internationals, and two full England internationals. The expectations of stoke fans are reasonable in this context. It is a club set up for premier league football, and the board and supporters fully expected stoke to be challenging for promotion immediately. It isnt about thinking we have a god given right, it is realistic to expect stoke city should be challenging this season. What is clear already, is that there has been a decline even since the reign of lambert at the back end of last season. This manager has overseen a sharp decline in a small amount of time. It cannot go on. If rowett had performed like this at Wba, Swansea, or even leeds, or middlesboro, he would have been sacked. There is no doubt about it. |
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Post by santy on Sept 27, 2018 20:07:00 GMT
Leeds United won 4 in their last 21 games last season. They didn't beat anyone during that time of particular note. They looked like a team that ought to be contending relegation. It took their manager about 10 minutes of the first game of the season to turn them around. The fact Rowett doesn't seem capable of doing it with a better squad, with more money, with more of his own signings suggests an awful lot. But none of it is that this current situation is "about right" when you put all the factors in place. With a better squad? What is that based on? Your favourite past time? Our squad is a sack of shit full of players that love losing I’m not sure how that is a better squad.. they used to be good but for the last 2 years have looked terrible. That’s pretty definitive to me that we aren’t a better squad. Being a good squad in the past or on paper counts for nothing. Leeds are miles ahead of us personnel wise and based on the last 2 years of evidence I’d probably swap man-to-man every player with theirs. Other than maybe woods and afobe. So at the end of last season you'd have swapped our squad for a squad that had won just 4 league games in 21? You'd have swapped for that squad? You'd swap for the "squad" now you say because of obvious reasons, but going into this season Leeds had a shit squad, a demonstrably shit squad, a squad so shit it could only beat 4 of the weaker teams in the league below the one we were playing in last season. That squad is now winning games. So now you're saying its better than ours. It's almost like it isn't something about the squad at times, like maybe... just maybe... the person organising the squad, the people involved in training the squad and setting up the tactics have some part to play. Remember when Man City didn't look like a 100 points a season team. Remember when the Palace squad looked so massively shit that it looked like they could've gone down without even getting a point last season? You seem to massively underestimate the impact of people providing support and guidance to the squad in football. |
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 27, 2018 20:13:12 GMT
Leeds United won 4 in their last 21 games last season. They didn't beat anyone during that time of particular note. They looked like a team that ought to be contending relegation. It took their manager about 10 minutes of the first game of the season to turn them around. The fact Rowett doesn't seem capable of doing it with a better squad, with more money, with more of his own signings suggests an awful lot. But none of it is that this current situation is "about right" when you put all the factors in place. With a better squad? What is that based on? Your favourite past time? Our squad is a sack of shit full of players that love losing I’m not sure how that is a better squad.. they used to be good but for the last 2 years have looked terrible. That’s pretty definitive to me that we aren’t a better squad. Being a good squad in the past or on paper counts for nothing. Leeds are miles ahead of us personnel wise and based on the last 2 years of evidence I’d probably swap man-to-man every player with theirs. Other than maybe woods and afobe. No. Stoke have far far more talented players in the group. There is something badly wrong in terms of organisation and game management. There is an imbalance and confusion throughout. I am 100% certain that a good manager/coach would sort this out quickly and we would have an immediate upturn in results |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 27, 2018 20:23:05 GMT
To all of those calling for Rowetts head, what exactly did you expect? Did you expect a team that has been losing and playing badly for 18months to all of a sudden be world beaters? There’s some kind of perception that we have got a great squad of players that should be turning anyone and everyone over, stop living in the past. Those players that you say should be out there and winning at a canter have been shit for 18 months and have picked up a nasty habit of losing games of football. Anyone who thinks that Rowett was going to come in, with complete new back room staff and coaches and turn us into Real Madrid overnight, you are deluded, get off the Monkey Dust. Rowett took on an astronomical task, a squad that perfected the art of losing and conceding goals. He’s made some solid signings with the right minerals to compete in this league. For all intensive purposes, the players letting us down are players that were here before Rowett took over (mainly the back 4). We aren’t being freely carved open each week, the defensive shape is good, individual school boy errors are costing us games and points. How do you stop that? Yes, the manager is ultimately responsible but how exactly do you stop a player from making a stupid schoolboy errors like that. Especially when they don’t defend that way in training. Expectation is one of the biggest problems. Too many fans are expecting us to stroll the league, to dominate in every game we play. On what basis? Somebody tell me. What evidence makes you think that should be the case? Rowett will come good in time. Not overnight. If we have to go another season in The Championship before mounting a real push for promotion then so be it. We have no given right to be a premier league club and Rowett has a serious task to turn this around, one he should be given a fair shake to try and complete. Not fuck him off after 10 games. Yeah dude you’re missing the point. No one is asking to be like Real Madrid are they? They are just asking not to concede 3 goals a week to some pretty woeful championship sides after spending more than anyone in championship history. Reasonable request? |
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Sept 27, 2018 20:25:36 GMT
It is utter utter nonsense. Why do stoke fans expect so much? It has nothing to do with a belief in being inherently superior to everyone else. Expectation levels are high maybe because we have by far the greatest financial backing in the league? Furthermore, it was universally agreed by anyone with a brain cell pre season that stoke city had a higher calibre of player throughout the squad than anyone else in the league. For example, the defence which currently looks more shambolic than it did in the days of nicky mohan and Brian small, contains so full Holland internationals, and two full England internationals. The expectations of stoke fans are reasonable in this context. It is a club set up for premier league football, and the board and supporters fully expected stoke to be challenging for promotion immediately. It isnt about thinking we have a god given right, it is realistic to expect stoke city should be challenging this season. What is clear already, is that there has been a decline even since the reign of lambert at the back end of last season. This manager has overseen a sharp decline in a small amount of time. It cannot go on. If rowett had performed like this at Wba, Swansea, or even leeds, or middlesboro, he would have been sacked. There is no doubt about it. Agree to disagree. Why should money say we should be top of the league, 2nd, 3rd? Did it help Leeds this season, did villa go straight up when they came down? It’s about so many factors, and thinking we should be up there because of money is bonkers. It takes many factors and one of them is patience - dare I utter the word, in this world of instant gratification! It’s not ideal, but give them a bloody chance! |
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Post by geoff321 on Sept 27, 2018 20:29:48 GMT
It is utter utter nonsense. Why do stoke fans expect so much? It has nothing to do with a belief in being inherently superior to everyone else. Expectation levels are high maybe because we have by far the greatest financial backing in the league? Furthermore, it was universally agreed by anyone with a brain cell pre season that stoke city had a higher calibre of player throughout the squad than anyone else in the league. For example, the defence which currently looks more shambolic than it did in the days of nicky mohan and Brian small, contains so full Holland internationals, and two full England internationals. The expectations of stoke fans are reasonable in this context. It is a club set up for premier league football, and the board and supporters fully expected stoke to be challenging for promotion immediately. It isnt about thinking we have a god given right, it is realistic to expect stoke city should be challenging this season. What is clear already, is that there has been a decline even since the reign of lambert at the back end of last season. This manager has overseen a sharp decline in a small amount of time. It cannot go on. If rowett had performed like this at Wba, Swansea, or even leeds, or middlesboro, he would have been sacked. There is no doubt about it. Agree to disagree. Why should money say we should be top of the league, 2nd, 3rd? Did it help Leeds this season, did villa go straight up when they came down? It’s about so many factors, and thinking we should be up there because of money is bonkers. It takes many factors and one of them is patience - dare I utter the word, in this world of instant gratification! It’s not ideal, but give them a bloody chance! So you think the top 6 clubs in the PL are there for reasons other than money? |
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