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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2018 6:25:15 GMT
After 10 games I expected a blue print of how a Rowett team would play. I honestly haven’t a clue how he wants us to play.
Under Pulis, Hughes and Lambert you could see what they wanted to achieve, but under Rowett, not a clue.
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Post by Block 22 on Sept 27, 2018 6:26:26 GMT
Any manager and I don’t care who or what they have done in the past Should if they choose to start crouch in a game they wish to win be sacked straight after the match And referred for there own safety for medical advice and treatment I agree Wags. Personally I don’t think Crouch should be near our Squad never mind our starting 11 but we know all to well that it’s not as easy as just fucking them off on the spot. Especially when they’re under contract and no fucker wants to buy them.
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Post by Block 22 on Sept 27, 2018 6:29:20 GMT
After 10 games I expected a blue print of how a Rowett team would play. I honestly haven’t a clue how he wants us to play. Under Pulis, Hughes and Lambert you could see what they wanted to achieve, but under Rowett, not a clue. To me we are half way towards getting that Blue Print. We want to play high pressure whilst off the ball, move the ball quick with short passes out from the back, get the full backs forward and give the front 3 a licence for a bit of freedom. WITHOUT THE CALAMITOUS ERRORS!
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Sept 27, 2018 6:30:41 GMT
Even if he genuinely does believe it, then it still shows Rowett as being worse, since Lambo was dropped in cold, without any time to train with them, organise them, get to know them, without a window or a penny to spend. Considering the relative luxuries Rowett's had in comparison, I'd be fucking embarrassed to claim support for him whilst admitting his incompetent predecessor would have equalled his points tally. What “luxuries” do you know he has had for a fact? Massage chair? Facial every week? I would say 3 of the signings were what he “wanted” Ince McClean and Woods. McClean it looks as though we are missing already, Ince considering has been injured looks good (at this level) and woods, well we know how good he is. There is a deep rooted problem at Stoke and that is beyond whatever manager we have A pre-season to work out lineups, formations, benches, tactics, style. A window with £40m to spend, which, however to want to view it in terms of success, is still more than PL was afforded. Not being dropped in cold in the middle of a season that was already fucked.
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Post by Block 22 on Sept 27, 2018 6:36:01 GMT
Fun analogy for everyone making comments that Lambert was some kind of saviour.
“It’s easier to teach a dog to sit and stay than it is to retrieve and roll over”.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 27, 2018 6:41:54 GMT
Fun analogy for everyone making comments that Lambert was some kind of saviour. “It’s easier to teach a dog to sit and stay than it is to retrieve and roll over”. None of those people are saying lambert was a saviour, the opposite in fact. Simply saying Rowett is doing..relatively... worse and with far more favourable circumstances. Again, you are misunderstanding people's posts
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Post by Block 22 on Sept 27, 2018 6:44:53 GMT
That’s an agenda I’m afraid. Rowett says post-match that Ryan was clearly at fault for their first goal and should do better, which is true. That has been interpreted as ‘digging out players’ by the media and twisted and turned into 3,000 eventualities. Shawcross was in fact shit and entirely to blame. He has then come out and said that the media have dived on his comments and dressed them up however they see fit to make a story out of it and he doesn’t think that is fair. So in all, nothing like you’ve said or the sentinel have made out. People are just getting on his back for the sake of it now. He said Shawcross did something that was contrary to what they’ve trained and it led to a goal He then said he’d put too much faith in “certain” defenders and would have to make changes He then said the crowd were entitled to vent at him but that it would be “nice” if they vented at one or two of the players as well So in all, nothing like “Ryan was at fault and should do better” either. How ever you dress it up or down it’s about the players taking some accountability. Especially our ‘captain’. Club legend and captain by title. Weakling by nature. The sooner he has the armband taken off him the better.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2018 6:49:40 GMT
If Rowett goes then we're looking at a pool of:
McCarthy Strachan Pardew Phelan McKay Megson Heckingbotham Grayson
It will be an out of work manager as the club surely won't pay double again for another manager and his staff?
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Post by Block 22 on Sept 27, 2018 6:53:34 GMT
Fun analogy for everyone making comments that Lambert was some kind of saviour. “It’s easier to teach a dog to sit and stay than it is to retrieve and roll over”. None of those people are saying lambert was a saviour, the opposite in fact. Simply saying Rowett is doing..relatively... worse and with far more favourable circumstances. Again, you are misunderstanding people's posts That post of mine was entirely exaggerated and more of a fun fact than a calculated and reasoned opinion. You’re just being pedantic with everything I post now, right down to my very last choice of word, there’s of course an element of exaggeration. My opinion on Lambert is that he was just a big ball of nothing. We didn’t ever look like winning games, we didn’t look like conceding many goals either. Other than his first game when he played a totally different way. I find it difficult to have any opinion on Lambert when he was a cask of nothingness. He didn’t try to win but he didn’t want to lose. Nothingness like that, to me, is worse than losing but trying to win. If you don’t try to jump to the next rock, you’ll never get to the next one and you’ll never end up in the water.
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Post by skelman on Sept 27, 2018 6:57:40 GMT
Consistency is the key .......
We conceded 72 goals in 41 league and cup games last season = average 1.75 per game and 19 goals conceded in all 11 games to date this season = 1.73 per game
Expect to see a new defence purchased in January!
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Post by greystokie on Sept 27, 2018 7:03:34 GMT
"For all intensive purposes", excellent, has to go down with pre-Madonna, rubbing salt into the wombs and Jesus Hates Christ! Nobody is saying we should be like Real Madrid. People are pissed off that Lambert stopped us getting arse-raped up the rectum, only for us to resume haemorrhage goals in a shitter division. I would bet my bottom dollar that any reasonable Stoke fan would have been pleased with scrappy, pragmatic football that was organised and just got points on the board. Never mind this "rolling teams over", anyone with an ounce of common sense knew it would be a fight, but it's still not arrogance to have thought we'd be nearer the top end of the table. The problems with the backroom staff have been done to death, we all know our shoddy, two-bob recruitment policies and that we're frankly a joke off the field. However, Rowett has not shown one glimmer of a suggestion that he's anything other than shit. He's just more of the fucking same. We're a quarter of the way into the season, and: He doesn't know his best line up He doesn't know his best bench He doesn't know his best formation He doesn't know what style of football he wants He is tactically inept We still have no identity The game management is shocking The substitutions are mostly diabolical The players have no faith in him He's clearly feeling the pressure There is a large element of the support who are already fed up of him There's no indication that we're anywhere near a turning point. Of course, the squad is pretty much an arrogant, mercenary, disinterested shitshow from top to bottom as well, but if he's failed to stick a rocket up their arses and get them at least doing any semblance of the basics in the back third and midfield then he's even worse than Lambert was. Don't forget the classic, Damp Squid Or "Shoe in" ☺
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Post by Smudge_SCFC on Sept 27, 2018 7:13:30 GMT
Consistency is the key ....... We conceded 72 goals in 41 league and cup games last season = average 1.75 per game and 19 goals conceded in all 11 games to date this season = 1.73 per game Expect to see a new defence purchased in January! The big difference of course is that last season’s 1.75 goals a game against came against Kane, Salah, Aguero, Morata, et al. This season 1.73 have been against Danny Graham, Will Grigg, Paul Gallagher and other such bog standard luminaries.
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Post by Danstoke82 on Sept 27, 2018 7:17:41 GMT
Im not Rowett out, the problem goes higher namely Coates and his group of cronies.
However, Im starting to lose faith in the manager. Anything other than a win against Rotherham and my opinion of him might change for the worst
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Post by mrred on Sept 27, 2018 8:19:11 GMT
People bought into the fact that Rowett knew this league (apparently), that he almost got Derby promoted, that the club would make big changes, the fact that we were told that we would have a team to be proud of. People thought we'd piss the league given how easy Castle and Wolves eventually found it and thought we'd obviously break the points total because we had a better squad on paper.
We've thrown a bit of money at it but it's not worked. Why? I've eluded to it in the Rowett out thread, but we've got the same stinking losing culture that Sunderland had with a toxic bunch of shithouses that thought they would walk the league.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 27, 2018 8:22:11 GMT
Don't think anyone expected our defence to be as shit as it is. Pre season we were all saying what a strong back 4 it is. Not Rowetts fault Bauer can't hold position, Shawcross and Indi have the turning circle of a tanker and Pieters has no competition. Disagree; all through August I was complaining that we were doing nothing to strengthen the worst defence in the Prem. that was weaker with Zouma leaving. Even under Lambert, we repeatedly conceded goals and failed to win matches.
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Post by Block 22 on Sept 27, 2018 8:27:48 GMT
People bought into the fact that Rowett knew this league (apparently), that he almost got Derby promoted, that the club would make big changes, the fact that we were told that we would have a team to be proud of. People thought we'd piss the league given how easy Castle and Wolves eventually found it and thought we'd obviously break the points total because we had a better squad on paper. We've thrown a bit of money at it but it's not worked. Why? I've eluded to it in the Rowett out thread, but we've got the same stinking losing culture that Sunderland had with a toxic bunch of shithouses that thought they would walk the league. And a set of deluded fans that thought 18 months of absolute garbage would suddenly turn into absolute gold. On what basis? Playing against lesser opposition? We all know it doesn’t work like that, the Championship is arguably more unforgiving than the Premier League. Relentless. We have the same rotten core that we had before. Gary Rowett needs to be a psychologist to sort this out, never mind a good manager.
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Post by fca47 on Sept 27, 2018 8:59:12 GMT
Any manager worth his salt, with a team shipping goals, would go back to basics and play fairly defensive, we have seen how Pulis and Alladyce turn things around. Pulis had the same defenders at Palace that had been losing game after game, but he instilled discipline in them and turned it around. So it isn't always the players ,they can be made into a decent unit if you have a good manager. I think this is true of our team, they are badly led.
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Post by thevoid on Sept 27, 2018 9:23:16 GMT
Don't forget 'Quell the fiore'. That was a pearler.
'Rubbing salt into the wombs' made me spit my coffee out 😂
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Post by stantheman on Sept 27, 2018 9:36:57 GMT
Unfortunately I don't think any of us, particularly Rowett, realised what a complete basket case of a squad he was inheriting.
We've started the season with way too many players who were getting stuffed on a weekly basis last season, who have quite frankly got used to being losers.
Although his tactics seem to be confused, and he doesn't know his best starting 11, I do have some sympathy for the bloke as he took on an abomination of a team and a club.
I also think more investment was required in the summer to simply replace the players who have been around our club, stinking the place out for the last 2 seasons.
But, and it's a massive but, there needs to be an urgent improvement otherwise we will seriously be looking at how Sunderland performed on a month-to-month basis last season.
So stop knocking and start supporting.
End of.
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Post by trotter1980 on Sept 27, 2018 9:37:22 GMT
Strangely West Brom and Swansea that were losing all the time last year seem to have got a grip. what the Swansea side that are 14th and 1 win above us??
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 27, 2018 10:41:17 GMT
In the last five premier league games we played, we conceded 5, scored 5, got 6 points.
Under Rowett, after him having purchased NINE players, and playing at a lower level, we have played 9, got 9 points, conceded 16, albeit scored slightly more goals per game.
The decline under Rowett is huge, it cannot be arributed to mark fucking cartwright or Tony scholes, or indeed the coates family who have backed their manager.
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Post by Veritas on Sept 27, 2018 10:48:49 GMT
In the last five premier league games we played, we conceded 5, scored 5, got 6 points. Under Rowett, after him having purchased NINE players, and playing at a lower level, we have played 9, got 9 points, conceded 16, albeit scored slightly more goals per game. The decline under Rowett is huge, it cannot be arributed to mark fucking cartwright or Tony scholes, or indeed the coates family who have backed their manager. Rowett was their choice so they must also take some responsibility and while we don't want to change completely and become a club with a revolving door policy on managers if results don't improve they must not this time leave the hard decision too long
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Post by geoff321 on Sept 27, 2018 10:49:18 GMT
Rowett has made a poor start, no one can dispute that.
He should be able to promote this squad this year.
The real question though is whether 9 league games is enough time to judge him.
If you believe the figures, Leeds United have a squad with a reported market value of £57.69m, Middlesborough £76.8m.
Our next opponent Rotherham £6.53m and Bolton £17.91m.
Our squad market value is estimated at £132.6m
We all have our own opinion of GR, but to suggest he hasn't got the players to do well appears wide of the mark.
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Post by iglugluk on Sept 27, 2018 11:04:47 GMT
Rowett has made a poor start, no one can dispute that. He should be able to promote this squad this year. The real question though is whether 9 league games is enough time to judge him. If you believe the figures, Leeds United have a squad with a reported market value of £57.69m, Middlesborough £76.8m. Our next opponent Rotherham £6.53m and Bolton £17.91m. Our squad market value is estimated at £132.6m We all have our own opinion of GR, but to suggest he hasn't got the players to do well appears wide of the mark. Regardless of apparent relative squad values on paper we are currently lacking in one key area and that is the defence. The summer's transfer business did nothing much to change that deficiency, it seems to me.
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Post by stokeson on Sept 27, 2018 11:08:20 GMT
Don't matter how much our squad is worth on paper we play on grass.Rowett has been given the worst defence in any divison last season and will be able to say to Coates enough is enough in January.We need Chester ( who he wanted.)and a real wingback .last night proved we have no players that can step up.We have scored 10 goals in 6 games so the problem is glaringly obvious......
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Sept 27, 2018 11:15:34 GMT
We’re the richest club in the league. At least make us hard to beat. Money means jask shit. we proved that with Wimmer/imbula - its character and ability of the board/manager
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Post by Davef on Sept 27, 2018 11:28:18 GMT
Don't matter how much our squad is worth on paper we play on grass.Rowett has been given the worst defence in any divison last season and will be able to say to Coates enough is enough in January.We need Chester ( who he wanted.)and a real wingback .last night proved we have no players that can step up.We have scored 10 goals in 6 games so the problem is glaringly obvious...... He was actually given a defence that Paul Lambert managed, to a degree, to whip in to shape. In the fifteen games he took charge of, only Arsenal managed to score more than two goals against us (and two of the goals in that game were penalties). Man City and Spurs only managed two each (having scored 12 in the reverse fixtures) and we kept four clean sheets including one at Anfield. That was Paul Lambert with just an assistant manager and Rooster Russell helping him out. This bloke's got five or six coaches and we're defending like a Sunday League side.
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Sept 27, 2018 11:31:44 GMT
I see your point but - it is absolutely dire, isn't it?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2018 11:40:02 GMT
Don't forget the classic, Damp Squid Or "Shoe in" ☺ Pre-madonna 😘
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Post by iglugluk on Sept 27, 2018 13:04:02 GMT
Don't matter how much our squad is worth on paper we play on grass.Rowett has been given the worst defence in any divison last season and will be able to say to Coates enough is enough in January.We need Chester ( who he wanted.)and a real wingback .last night proved we have no players that can step up.We have scored 10 goals in 6 games so the problem is glaringly obvious...... He was actually given a defence that Paul Lambert managed, to a degree, to whip in to shape. In the fifteen games he took charge of, only Arsenal managed to score more than two goals against us (and two of the goals in that game were penalties). Man City and Spurs only managed two each (having scored 12 in the reverse fixtures) and we kept four clean sheets including one at Anfield. That was Paul Lambert with just an assistant manager and Rooster Russell helping him out. This bloke's got five or six coaches and we're defending like a Sunday League side. I'm not defending Rowett but I will say Lambert appeared to devote his efforts to what amounted to an 11 man defence most of the time. That was no more functional in reality. We needed to get in decent defensive options in the summer but failed to do so. We still badly need to freshen up our defensive options in key areas.
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