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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Sept 26, 2018 22:26:45 GMT
We’d have 9 points if Lambert was manager. The same as what we’ve got now. We’d have drawn every game 0-0. Utter bollocks and you know it Even if he genuinely does believe it, then it still shows Rowett as being worse, since Lambo was dropped in cold, without any time to train with them, organise them, get to know them, without a window or a penny to spend. Considering the relative luxuries Rowett's had in comparison, I'd be fucking embarrassed to claim support for him whilst admitting his incompetent predecessor would have equalled his points tally.
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Post by Block 22 on Sept 26, 2018 22:31:44 GMT
If you honestly think that ‘sticking a rocket up their arses’ is a quick fix for 18months of being ridiculed and losing then I find it difficult to take any of what you say seriously. If management was that simple then every man and his dog could be a manager, anyone can shout. Purposeful reduction and misinterpretation of what I've said, or just an inability to understand? Lambert stopped us getting raped up the arse through discipline and organisation, which are the two absolute bare minimum requirements for being a manager. That is "rocket up the arse". It didn't turn us into winners, it wasn't a fix, in fact it was the only thing he ever did and it wasn't good enough, but at least it was something. Rowett has come in, had at least some semblance of a pre-season, has had a full window including spending £40m, and has not even done the bare-minimum layman stuff that Lambert somehow scraped his way into doing. I give up if you think what Lambert did was any good. Putting 11 men behind the ball for 90 minutes and launching the ball into dangerous areas is not how you win football matches. At least Rowett has got us scoring goals. Time after time it’s individual errors that are costing us. We’re not being outplayed by teams, in fact we are controlling games for large portions. Let’s use today as an example. Nottingham Forest hardly had a kick for 17 minutes we had the majority of the ball and had a few shots on target including a disallowed goal. We concede from a stupid keeping error. That’s not the team or the managers fault, that’s the players. The manager is doing his utmost to coach them from crawling into their shells and hiding when we concede goals but trying to break the habit of the previous 2 years is not easy. I’ll say it again, Pulis did not win for 10 games when first appointed. We still have fans now that would crawl over broken glass to hear him fart through a walkie talkie. Probably some of the same fans who are shouting for Rowetts head. My main point is this; repetition creates habits, we’ve conceded and lost games too readily over 18 months, we’ve dropped our heads after conceding goals, we’ve come back from losing positions something like twice. Keeping the ball out of our net is easy if you do it the Lambert way, park 11 men behind the ball and smash balls into the box hoping something drops, it’s relying on percentages. Translating 2years worth of abuse and failure into winning games of football isn’t easy. It will take time. If you want to see us hard to beat with 11 men behind the ball for 90 minutes then I completely understand your frustration.
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Post by wuzza on Sept 26, 2018 22:36:28 GMT
Purposeful reduction and misinterpretation of what I've said, or just an inability to understand? Lambert stopped us getting raped up the arse through discipline and organisation, which are the two absolute bare minimum requirements for being a manager. That is "rocket up the arse". It didn't turn us into winners, it wasn't a fix, in fact it was the only thing he ever did and it wasn't good enough, but at least it was something. Rowett has come in, had at least some semblance of a pre-season, has had a full window including spending £40m, and has not even done the bare-minimum layman stuff that Lambert somehow scraped his way into doing. I give up if you think what Lambert did was any good. Putting 11 men behind the ball for 90 minutes and launching the ball into dangerous areas is not how you win football matches. At least Rowett has got us scoring goals. Time after time it’s individual errors that are costing us. We’re not being outplayed by teams, in fact we are controlling games for large portions. Let’s use today as an example. Nottingham Forest hardly had a kick for 17 minutes we had the majority of the ball and had a few shots on target including a disallowed goal. We concede from a stupid keeping error. That’s not the team or the managers fault, that’s the players. The manager is doing his utmost to coach them from crawling into their shells and hiding when we concede goals but trying to break the habit of the previous 2 years is not easy. I’ll say it again, Pulis did not win for 10 games when first appointed. We still have fans now that would crawl over broken glass to hear him fart through a walkie talkie. Probably some of the same fans who are shouting for Rowetts head. My main point is this; repetition creates habits, we’ve conceded and lost games too readily over 18 months, we’ve dropped our heads after conceding goals, we’ve come back from losing positions something like twice. Keeping the ball out of our net is easy if you do it the Lambert way, park 11 men behind the ball and smash balls into the box hoping something drops, it’s relying on percentages. Translating 2years worth of abuse and failure into winning games of football isn’t easy. It will take time. If you want to see us hard to beat with 11 men behind the ball for 90 minutes then I completely understand your frustration. Lambert did far better than that. He organised feeble resources against far better opposition than we currently face. A failure to recognise this does you no credit.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Sept 26, 2018 22:36:33 GMT
Purposeful reduction and misinterpretation of what I've said, or just an inability to understand? Lambert stopped us getting raped up the arse through discipline and organisation, which are the two absolute bare minimum requirements for being a manager. That is "rocket up the arse". It didn't turn us into winners, it wasn't a fix, in fact it was the only thing he ever did and it wasn't good enough, but at least it was something. Rowett has come in, had at least some semblance of a pre-season, has had a full window including spending £40m, and has not even done the bare-minimum layman stuff that Lambert somehow scraped his way into doing. I give up if you think what Lambert did was any good. Putting 11 men behind the ball for 90 minutes and launching the ball into dangerous areas is not how you win football matches. At least Rowett has got us scoring goals. Time after time it’s individual errors that are costing us. We’re not being outplayed by teams, in fact we are controlling games for large portions. Let’s use today as an example. Nottingham Forest hardly had a kick for 17 minutes we had the majority of the ball and had a few shots on target including a disallowed goal. We concede from a stupid keeping error. That’s not the team or the managers fault, that’s the players. The manager is doing his utmost to coach them from crawling into their shells and hiding when we concede goals but trying to break the habit of the previous 2 years is not easy. I’ll say it again, Pulis did not win for 10 games when first appointed. We still have fans now that would crawl over broken glass to hear him fart through a walkie talkie. Probably some of the same fans who are shouting for Rowetts head. My main point is this; repetition creates habits, we’ve conceded and lost games too readily over 18 months, we’ve dropped our heads after conceding goals, we’ve come back from losing positions something like twice. Keeping the ball out of our net is easy if you do it the Lambert way, park 11 men behind the ball and smash balls into the box hoping something drops, it’s relying on percentages. Translating 2years worth of abuse and failure into winning games of football isn’t easy. It will take time. If you want to see us hard to beat with 11 men behind the ball for 90 minutes then I completely understand your frustration. Bang bang bang bang I'm calling Lambert shit, not good, Christ on a bike. He was wank, incompetent, an inept loser of a manager. Yet he still delivered more than Rowett has in the same timeframe and without a pre-season, a window, a fresh start and £40m. Rowett is worse than the garbage that was Paul Lambert, because Rowett is failing to do what any average journeyman manager should be able to do, and that is to get your players to fucking listen to you. The bare, bare minimum. That's the last time I'm saying it because I've said it about six times already.
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Post by Block 22 on Sept 26, 2018 22:39:18 GMT
My personal opinion is that I would like to see us play positively for periods in games in hope that we can inhibit some sustainability and consistency than see us play indifferently and negatively, with our backs to the wall for 90 minutes week-in week-out just for the sake of conceding less. It was like watching a game of nothing when watching us under Lambert, nothing to get excited about, nothing to be disappointed about. Nothing ventured nothing gained style.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2018 22:46:51 GMT
Purposeful reduction and misinterpretation of what I've said, or just an inability to understand? Lambert stopped us getting raped up the arse through discipline and organisation, which are the two absolute bare minimum requirements for being a manager. That is "rocket up the arse". It didn't turn us into winners, it wasn't a fix, in fact it was the only thing he ever did and it wasn't good enough, but at least it was something. Rowett has come in, had at least some semblance of a pre-season, has had a full window including spending £40m, and has not even done the bare-minimum layman stuff that Lambert somehow scraped his way into doing. I give up if you think what Lambert did was any good. Putting 11 men behind the ball for 90 minutes and launching the ball into dangerous areas is not how you win football matches. At least Rowett has got us scoring goals. Time after time it’s individual errors that are costing us. We’re not being outplayed by teams, in fact we are controlling games for large portions. Let’s use today as an example. Nottingham Forest hardly had a kick for 17 minutes we had the majority of the ball and had a few shots on target including a disallowed goal. We concede from a stupid keeping error. That’s not the team or the managers fault, that’s the players. The manager is doing his utmost to coach them from crawling into their shells and hiding when we concede goals but trying to break the habit of the previous 2 years is not easy. I’ll say it again, Pulis did not win for 10 games when first appointed. We still have fans now that would crawl over broken glass to hear him fart through a walkie talkie. Probably some of the same fans who are shouting for Rowetts head. My main point is this; repetition creates habits, we’ve conceded and lost games too readily over 18 months, we’ve dropped our heads after conceding goals, we’ve come back from losing positions something like twice. Keeping the ball out of our net is easy if you do it the Lambert way, park 11 men behind the ball and smash balls into the box hoping something drops, it’s relying on percentages. Translating 2years worth of abuse and failure into winning games of football isn’t easy. It will take time. If you want to see us hard to beat with 11 men behind the ball for 90 minutes then I completely understand your frustration. That's not what he did though was it. With no time i.e Pre season or any real money to spend: • He got us organised. • He made us hard to beat • He got players playing for him. • He made Shaqiri the man to get us out of a hole as quoted by Charlie Adam (that makes your long ball suggestion bollocks.) But For all that it wasn't good enough. We were too defensive against poor opposition and that led to his demise quite rightly. Now Rowett • has made us easy to beat • has lost the dressing room • has had a full Pre season • has spent 30 odd million quid All in ten fucking games. How is one manager gone but the worse if the two still here
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Post by Block 22 on Sept 26, 2018 22:49:38 GMT
I give up if you think what Lambert did was any good. Putting 11 men behind the ball for 90 minutes and launching the ball into dangerous areas is not how you win football matches. At least Rowett has got us scoring goals. Time after time it’s individual errors that are costing us. We’re not being outplayed by teams, in fact we are controlling games for large portions. Let’s use today as an example. Nottingham Forest hardly had a kick for 17 minutes we had the majority of the ball and had a few shots on target including a disallowed goal. We concede from a stupid keeping error. That’s not the team or the managers fault, that’s the players. The manager is doing his utmost to coach them from crawling into their shells and hiding when we concede goals but trying to break the habit of the previous 2 years is not easy. I’ll say it again, Pulis did not win for 10 games when first appointed. We still have fans now that would crawl over broken glass to hear him fart through a walkie talkie. Probably some of the same fans who are shouting for Rowetts head. My main point is this; repetition creates habits, we’ve conceded and lost games too readily over 18 months, we’ve dropped our heads after conceding goals, we’ve come back from losing positions something like twice. Keeping the ball out of our net is easy if you do it the Lambert way, park 11 men behind the ball and smash balls into the box hoping something drops, it’s relying on percentages. Translating 2years worth of abuse and failure into winning games of football isn’t easy. It will take time. If you want to see us hard to beat with 11 men behind the ball for 90 minutes then I completely understand your frustration. Bang bang bang bang I'm calling Lambert shit, not good, Christ on a bike. He was wank, incompetent, an inept loser of a manager. Yet he still delivered more than Rowett has in the same timeframe and without a pre-season, a window, a fresh start and £40m. Rowett is worse than the garbage that was Paul Lambert, because Rowett is failing to do what any average journeyman manager should be able to do, and that is to get your players to fucking listen to you. The bare, bare minimum. That's the last time I'm saying it because I've said it about six times already. I’m just saying that’s only a fair comparison if Rowett was playing the same way, 11 men behind the ball and not moving. My contrary opinion to yours is that I would rather see spells of good play and games finishing 2-2, 3-2 and working hard on the individual mistakes to translate good periods into good games than watching a Paul Lambert side put 11 men behind the ball with no intention of committing men forward to try and score. Just my opinion. Apologies if it isn’t aligned with yours.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 26, 2018 22:54:44 GMT
I agree the manager is not solely to blame for the mess we are in. The lack of investment in quality defenders after last season's dreadful defending, and the dearth of wide forward players are down to the transfer team. But: 1. It is not simply a case of "a team that has been losing and playing badly for 18 months". We have gone from a team that regularly conceded 4 or more goals against CL clubs stuffed with world class players, to regularly conceding 3 goals against second tier teams with no world class players. The quality of defending is not solely down to the quality of the players, it also down to organization and training, teamwork, and discipline and concentration. We are an absolute shambles, this season we have got worse and ... the manager is to blame. 2. The last 2 games have shown we we can create goal scoring opportunities, but why do we start playing when the game is virtually lost? That is down to the managements inadequate motivation of the players. The players are not being motivated by the manager, they are being motivated by desperation to avoid being ridiculed and made a mockery by the final score. The players have demonstrated their capability to control matches for brief periods, and indeed to start taking defences apart. The fact they don't do it consistently is lack of commitment instilled in them by the manager and trainers.
We are also losing matches because we miss scoring opportunities. The forwards are guilty of missing open goals and we have missed penalties. That is also in part down to poor coaching, but is largely down to players confidence and form. Confident players who are in form don't miss. That can only be fixed by hard work and patience and the form will return. Berahino is playing much better now than the last two seasons demonstrates that. It is plainly obvious that Rowett does or doesn't take to a player. Players will react accordingly. Expressing his opinions of players in public is rank bad management (IMO and I was a manager for over 40 years); views should be expressed behind closed doors. Lambert had the tough job of trying to instill discipline and removed certain players. Rowett has only succeeded to putting the backs up of some players, and has persisted with a number of players who are clearly not performing well enough to stay in the team.
I supported Hughes right up until December when we were so abject against West Ham. If I was wrong, it was that he should have lost my support sooner. I supported Lambert throughout his tenure, hoping he could save the sinking ship. He failed and his failure meant he had to go. I have supported Rowett up to now, but I now feel the team selections are bizarre, the substitutions are too late, and the way he has conducted himself recently, gives me the strong impression he is out of his depth.
If Stoke are to achieve promotion, Rowett has to go now, and the Board need to appoint a man who knows better what he is doing and, above all, can motivate the players. Preferably a man who has achieved promotion and is not in the twilight of his career. The Board were too slow to dismiss Hughes and consequently, too late to attract a quality manager. (Ironically my vote went to Karanka.) The Board need to act now while there is still a chance of promotion. If they leave it until we are a further 9 points behind the Championship leaders, no decent manager will want the job. Leeds have shown there are good managers out there to be found.
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Post by generationex on Sept 26, 2018 23:00:00 GMT
Ive just read the back page of the sentinel.
The headline is “Skipper deserves respect”. I had to read it twice to make sure I hadn’t misinterpreted it.
Rowett has a touch of the Donald Trump about him.
He berated Shawcross by name. Then asks the support to not follow his example. After asking the support to boo him. Then says Shawcross deserves more respect from the supporters.
Either he’s incompetent or crackers.
A bit like Trump.
We are in real trouble I’m afraid.
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Post by Block 22 on Sept 26, 2018 23:00:39 GMT
I give up if you think what Lambert did was any good. Putting 11 men behind the ball for 90 minutes and launching the ball into dangerous areas is not how you win football matches. At least Rowett has got us scoring goals. Time after time it’s individual errors that are costing us. We’re not being outplayed by teams, in fact we are controlling games for large portions. Let’s use today as an example. Nottingham Forest hardly had a kick for 17 minutes we had the majority of the ball and had a few shots on target including a disallowed goal. We concede from a stupid keeping error. That’s not the team or the managers fault, that’s the players. The manager is doing his utmost to coach them from crawling into their shells and hiding when we concede goals but trying to break the habit of the previous 2 years is not easy. I’ll say it again, Pulis did not win for 10 games when first appointed. We still have fans now that would crawl over broken glass to hear him fart through a walkie talkie. Probably some of the same fans who are shouting for Rowetts head. My main point is this; repetition creates habits, we’ve conceded and lost games too readily over 18 months, we’ve dropped our heads after conceding goals, we’ve come back from losing positions something like twice. Keeping the ball out of our net is easy if you do it the Lambert way, park 11 men behind the ball and smash balls into the box hoping something drops, it’s relying on percentages. Translating 2years worth of abuse and failure into winning games of football isn’t easy. It will take time. If you want to see us hard to beat with 11 men behind the ball for 90 minutes then I completely understand your frustration. That's not what he did though was it. With no time i.e Pre season or any real money to spend: • He got us organised. • He made us hard to beat • He got players playing for him. • He made Shaqiri the man to get us out of a hole as quoted by Charlie Adam (that makes your long ball suggestion bollocks.) But For all that it wasn't good enough. We were too defensive against poor opposition and that led to his demise quite rightly. Now Rowett • has made us easy to beat • has lost the dressing room • has had a full Pre season • has spent 30 odd million quid All in ten fucking games. How is one manager gone but the worse if the two still here Lambert got us organised by putting 11 men behind the ball. Not exactly hard, but not in any way shape or form good to watch. Hard to beat, again, not hard when your whole team is drilled on organisation and staying rigid and nothing else. He got players playing for him. I would argue that he also pissed off quite a few in the process telling them they are ‘water carriers’. He let Shaqiri get away with murder and towards the end of last season he was a petulant fool who threw his toys out of the pram at every opportunity. Rowett, has made us easy to beat.. by trying to play positive football. Hughes failed doing the same.. so this must mean we only have a team capable of shutting up shop and nothing more.. Has lost the dressing room, that is an opinion and there’s absolutely no evidence of that at all. Had a full pre-season that was very disjointed that he didn’t want that was organised by the previous manager.. Has spent 30 million quid on some very good players that have vastly improved the team and we would be in a much much worse situation without. Rowett has also.. got us scoring goals more freely. Got us dominating possession and controlling parts of games. Bought Ryan Woods who is one of the best midfielders we’ve had at the club for a long time, probably since Nzonzi. Got Berahino playing something like the player we know he can be.
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Post by Block 22 on Sept 26, 2018 23:05:35 GMT
Ive just read the back page of the sentinel. The headline is “Skipper deserves respect”. I had to read it twice to make sure I hadn’t misinterpreted it. Rowett has a touch of the Donald Trump about him. He berated Shawcross by name. Then asks the support to not follow his example. After asking the support to boo him. Then says Shawcross deserves more respect from the supporters. Either he’s incompetent or crackers. A bit like Trump. We are in real trouble I’m afraid. That’s an agenda I’m afraid. Rowett says post-match that Ryan was clearly at fault for their first goal and should do better, which is true. That has been interpreted as ‘digging out players’ by the media and twisted and turned into 3,000 eventualities. Shawcross was in fact shit and entirely to blame. He has then come out and said that the media have dived on his comments and dressed them up however they see fit to make a story out of it and he doesn’t think that is fair. So in all, nothing like you’ve said or the sentinel have made out. People are just getting on his back for the sake of it now.
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 26, 2018 23:20:07 GMT
Ive just read the back page of the sentinel. The headline is “Skipper deserves respect”. I had to read it twice to make sure I hadn’t misinterpreted it. Rowett has a touch of the Donald Trump about him. He berated Shawcross by name. Then asks the support to not follow his example. After asking the support to boo him. Then says Shawcross deserves more respect from the supporters. Either he’s incompetent or crackers. A bit like Trump. We are in real trouble I’m afraid. That’s an agenda I’m afraid. Rowett says post-match that Ryan was clearly at fault for their first goal and should do better, which is true. That has been interpreted as ‘digging out players’ by the media and twisted and turned into 3,000 eventualities. Shawcross was in fact shit and entirely to blame. He has then come out and said that the media have dived on his comments and dressed them up however they see fit to make a story out of it and he doesn’t think that is fair. So in all, nothing like you’ve said or the sentinel have made out. People are just getting on his back for the sake of it now. He said Shawcross did something that was contrary to what they’ve trained and it led to a goal He then said he’d put too much faith in “certain” defenders and would have to make changes He then said the crowd were entitled to vent at him but that it would be “nice” if they vented at one or two of the players as well So in all, nothing like “Ryan was at fault and should do better” either.
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Post by tony10 on Sept 26, 2018 23:35:09 GMT
To all of those calling for Rowetts head, what exactly did you expect? Did you expect a team that has been losing and playing badly for 18months to all of a sudden be world beaters? There’s some kind of perception that we have got a great squad of players that should be turning anyone and everyone over, stop living in the past. Those players that you say should be out there and winning at a canter have been shit for 18 months and have picked up a nasty habit of losing games of football. Anyone who thinks that Rowett was going to come in, with complete new back room staff and coaches and turn us into Real Madrid overnight, you are deluded, get off the Monkey Dust. Rowett took on an astronomical task, a squad that perfected the art of losing and conceding goals. He’s made some solid signings with the right minerals to compete in this league. For all intensive purposes, the players letting us down are players that were here before Rowett took over (mainly the back 4). We aren’t being freely carved open each week, the defensive shape is good, individual school boy errors are costing us games and points. How do you stop that? Yes, the manager is ultimately responsible but how exactly do you stop a player from making a stupid schoolboy errors like that. Especially when they don’t defend that way in training. Expectation is one of the biggest problems. Too many fans are expecting us to stroll the league, to dominate in every game we play. On what basis? Somebody tell me. What evidence makes you think that should be the case? Rowett will come good in time. Not overnight. If we have to go another season in The Championship before mounting a real push for promotion then so be it. We have no given right to be a premier league club and Rowett has a serious task to turn this around, one he should be given a fair shake to try and complete. Not fuck him off after 10 games. Is that you Gary it's not my fault rowett?
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Post by generationex on Sept 26, 2018 23:43:02 GMT
Ive just read the back page of the sentinel. The headline is “Skipper deserves respect”. I had to read it twice to make sure I hadn’t misinterpreted it. Rowett has a touch of the Donald Trump about him. He berated Shawcross by name. Then asks the support to not follow his example. After asking the support to boo him. Then says Shawcross deserves more respect from the supporters. Either he’s incompetent or crackers. A bit like Trump. We are in real trouble I’m afraid. That’s an agenda I’m afraid. Rowett says post-match that Ryan was clearly at fault for their first goal and should do better, which is true. That has been interpreted as ‘digging out players’ by the media and twisted and turned into 3,000 eventualities. Shawcross was in fact shit and entirely to blame. He has then come out and said that the media have dived on his comments and dressed them up however they see fit to make a story out of it and he doesn’t think that is fair. So in all, nothing like you’ve said or the sentinel have made out. People are just getting on his back for the sake of it now. What Rowlett was doing is called ‘dog whistling’ by Trump supporters. You imply the point without directly saying it. See Rowley’s reference to ‘too nice’ defenders and conceding loads last year. (And then naming Shawcross!). He knew what he was doing and I respect him less for back peddling and (worse still) using the classic Trump tactic of questoning those who listen to the dog whistle to distract from himself.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 26, 2018 23:44:42 GMT
To all of those calling for Rowetts head, what exactly did you expect? Did you expect a team that has been losing and playing badly for 18months to all of a sudden be world beaters? There’s some kind of perception that we have got a great squad of players that should be turning anyone and everyone over, stop living in the past. Those players that you say should be out there and winning at a canter have been shit for 18 months and have picked up a nasty habit of losing games of football. Anyone who thinks that Rowett was going to come in, with complete new back room staff and coaches and turn us into Real Madrid overnight, you are deluded, get off the Monkey Dust. Rowett took on an astronomical task, a squad that perfected the art of losing and conceding goals. He’s made some solid signings with the right minerals to compete in this league. For all intensive purposes, the players letting us down are players that were here before Rowett took over (mainly the back 4). We aren’t being freely carved open each week, the defensive shape is good, individual school boy errors are costing us games and points. How do you stop that? Yes, the manager is ultimately responsible but how exactly do you stop a player from making a stupid schoolboy errors like that. Especially when they don’t defend that way in training. Expectation is one of the biggest problems. Too many fans are expecting us to stroll the league, to dominate in every game we play. On what basis? Somebody tell me. What evidence makes you think that should be the case? Rowett will come good in time. Not overnight. If we have to go another season in The Championship before mounting a real push for promotion then so be it. We have no given right to be a premier league club and Rowett has a serious task to turn this around, one he should be given a fair shake to try and complete. Not fuck him off after 10 games. Nah they want Rowert to do what Lambert did and make us more defensive, not score goals and still lose games
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 26, 2018 23:45:37 GMT
We’d have 9 points if Lambert was manager. The same as what we’ve got now. We’d have drawn every game 0-0. Utter bollocks and you know it It is, we'd still lose games, just by a smaller margin.
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Post by webbyscfc on Sept 27, 2018 0:08:45 GMT
Nobody is saying we should be like Real Madrid? We just don't want to keep getting turned over every week. Are we being turned over every week? Every has said on paper we have a good squad......what is this based on? Just the fact we were in the premier league last year? We have a very poor squad IMO and Rowett has a lot to do, certainly more than would take 10 weeks to sort out
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Post by webbyscfc on Sept 27, 2018 0:13:24 GMT
Utter bollocks and you know it Even if he genuinely does believe it, then it still shows Rowett as being worse, since Lambo was dropped in cold, without any time to train with them, organise them, get to know them, without a window or a penny to spend. Considering the relative luxuries Rowett's had in comparison, I'd be fucking embarrassed to claim support for him whilst admitting his incompetent predecessor would have equalled his points tally. What “luxuries” do you know he has had for a fact? Massage chair? Facial every week? I would say 3 of the signings were what he “wanted” Ince McClean and Woods. McClean it looks as though we are missing already, Ince considering has been injured looks good (at this level) and woods, well we know how good he is. There is a deep rooted problem at Stoke and that is beyond whatever manager we have
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Sept 27, 2018 0:23:33 GMT
"Get a grip" is becoming as obnoxious as "fuck of up the Vale"!!!
It's fuckin difficult to be the slightest bit optimistic at the moment in time!!!
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Post by onefatcopper on Sept 27, 2018 1:01:16 GMT
On my way back from Nottingham I asked myself where did this all start to go wrong ? And many will disagree but it’s when Cartwright was employed and started taking over the scouting and recruitment of players from Pulis. This irritated the hell out of the Pulis and inevitably there was a parting of ways and enter Hughes who with his contacts at Barcelona and links to Germany brought a influx of continental delights. Mixed with the backbone of Pulis’s team these new additions brought a brief glimpse of a bright and glorious future, but then the wheels began to fall off the wagon. The writing was on the wall with the FA Cup defeat away against Blackburn, we could still on occasions turn over one of the big boys but these results became less and less and now we were falling prey to the premier leagues weaker teams. Stalwarts of the team started to leave N’zonzi, Begovic and we started to throw crazy money at poorly vetted replacements, and with every player leaving from the Pulis era the team got weaker and weaker. This culminated at the start of the 17/18 season with just Shawcross as the only original member of Pulis’s team and as a result we were relegated ! So what we are now witnessing the seeds were sewn several years ago, a mixture of poor recruitment, common sense, foresight and burying ones head in the sand is the reason for our demise, Rowett didn’t start the rot he’s the poor patsy who has been sold on a broken promise and is fighting against a incoming Tsunami !
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Post by mrteddysalad on Sept 27, 2018 2:07:54 GMT
To all of those calling for Rowetts head, what exactly did you expect? I expect something other than this impossible to win with that lineup, it's like he threw darts to choose our squad
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Post by kustokie on Sept 27, 2018 2:34:57 GMT
I am very concerned Rowett has tried several different things and nothing seems to be working. So are we rapidly approaching a tipping point when the players lose all confidence in the manager and the whole thing collapses completely?
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Post by kustokie on Sept 27, 2018 2:39:38 GMT
On my way back from Nottingham I asked myself where did this all start to go wrong ? And many will disagree but it’s when Cartwright was employed and started taking over the scouting and recruitment of players from Pulis. This irritated the hell out of the Pulis and inevitably there was a parting of ways and enter Hughes who with his contacts at Barcelona and links to Germany brought a influx of continental delights. Mixed with the backbone of Pulis’s team these new additions brought a brief glimpse of a bright and glorious future, but then the wheels began to fall off the wagon. The writing was on the wall with the FA Cup defeat away against Blackburn, we could still on occasions turn over one of the big boys but these results became less and less and now we were falling prey to the premier leagues weaker teams. Stalwarts of the team started to leave N’zonzi, Begovic and we started to throw crazy money at poorly vetted replacements, and with every player leaving from the Pulis era the team got weaker and weaker. This culminated at the start of the 17/18 season with just Shawcross as the only original member of Pulis’s team and as a result we were relegated ! So what we are now witnessing the seeds were sewn several years ago, a mixture of poor recruitment, common sense, foresight and burying ones head in the sand is the reason for our demise, Rowett didn’t start the rot he’s the poor patsy who has been sold on a broken promise and is fighting against a incoming Tsunami ! Can’t really take issue with any of that. It’s a complete mess with no quick fix. Getting knocked out of one cup may be a blessing, because can focus on job one, staying up.
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Post by heworksardtho on Sept 27, 2018 4:22:35 GMT
On my way back from Nottingham I asked myself where did this all start to go wrong ? And many will disagree but it’s when Cartwright was employed and started taking over the scouting and recruitment of players from Pulis. This irritated the hell out of the Pulis and inevitably there was a parting of ways and enter Hughes who with his contacts at Barcelona and links to Germany brought a influx of continental delights. Mixed with the backbone of Pulis’s team these new additions brought a brief glimpse of a bright and glorious future, but then the wheels began to fall off the wagon. The writing was on the wall with the FA Cup defeat away against Blackburn, we could still on occasions turn over one of the big boys but these results became less and less and now we were falling prey to the premier leagues weaker teams. Stalwarts of the team started to leave N’zonzi, Begovic and we started to throw crazy money at poorly vetted replacements, and with every player leaving from the Pulis era the team got weaker and weaker. This culminated at the start of the 17/18 season with just Shawcross as the only original member of Pulis’s team and as a result we were relegated ! So what we are now witnessing the seeds were sewn several years ago, a mixture of poor recruitment, common sense, foresight and burying ones head in the sand is the reason for our demise, Rowett didn’t start the rot he’s the poor patsy who has been sold on a broken promise and is fighting against a incoming Tsunami ! I’m sure your Peter Coafes , but joking aside a brilliant post
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Sept 27, 2018 4:31:24 GMT
Don't think anyone expected our defence to be as shit as it is.
Pre season we were all saying what a strong back 4 it is.
Not Rowetts fault Bauer can't hold position, Shawcross and Indi have the turning circle of a tanker and Pieters has no competition.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 27, 2018 5:01:58 GMT
On my way back from Nottingham I asked myself where did this all start to go wrong ? And many will disagree but it’s when Cartwright was employed and started taking over the scouting and recruitment of players from Pulis. This irritated the hell out of the Pulis and inevitably there was a parting of ways and enter Hughes who with his contacts at Barcelona and links to Germany brought a influx of continental delights. Mixed with the backbone of Pulis’s team these new additions brought a brief glimpse of a bright and glorious future, but then the wheels began to fall off the wagon. The writing was on the wall with the FA Cup defeat away against Blackburn, we could still on occasions turn over one of the big boys but these results became less and less and now we were falling prey to the premier leagues weaker teams. Stalwarts of the team started to leave N’zonzi, Begovic and we started to throw crazy money at poorly vetted replacements, and with every player leaving from the Pulis era the team got weaker and weaker. This culminated at the start of the 17/18 season with just Shawcross as the only original member of Pulis’s team and as a result we were relegated ! So what we are now witnessing the seeds were sewn several years ago, a mixture of poor recruitment, common sense, foresight and burying ones head in the sand is the reason for our demise, Rowett didn’t start the rot he’s the poor patsy who has been sold on a broken promise and is fighting against a incoming Tsunami ! Great post.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 27, 2018 5:28:33 GMT
Bang bang bang bang I'm calling Lambert shit, not good, Christ on a bike. He was wank, incompetent, an inept loser of a manager. Yet he still delivered more than Rowett has in the same timeframe and without a pre-season, a window, a fresh start and £40m. Rowett is worse than the garbage that was Paul Lambert, because Rowett is failing to do what any average journeyman manager should be able to do, and that is to get your players to fucking listen to you. The bare, bare minimum. That's the last time I'm saying it because I've said it about six times already. I’m just saying that’s only a fair comparison if Rowett was playing the same way, 11 men behind the ball and not moving. My contrary opinion to yours is that I would rather see spells of good play and games finishing 2-2, 3-2 and working hard on the individual mistakes to translate good periods into good games than watching a Paul Lambert side put 11 men behind the ball with no intention of committing men forward to try and score. Just my opinion. Apologies if it isn’t aligned with yours. Bloody hell. If you are going to argue with someone on here try to read and understand their posts!
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 27, 2018 5:40:34 GMT
On my way back from Nottingham I asked myself where did this all start to go wrong ? And many will disagree but it’s when Cartwright was employed and started taking over the scouting and recruitment of players from Pulis. This irritated the hell out of the Pulis and inevitably there was a parting of ways and enter Hughes who with his contacts at Barcelona and links to Germany brought a influx of continental delights. Mixed with the backbone of Pulis’s team these new additions brought a brief glimpse of a bright and glorious future, but then the wheels began to fall off the wagon. The writing was on the wall with the FA Cup defeat away against Blackburn, we could still on occasions turn over one of the big boys but these results became less and less and now we were falling prey to the premier leagues weaker teams. Stalwarts of the team started to leave N’zonzi, Begovic and we started to throw crazy money at poorly vetted replacements, and with every player leaving from the Pulis era the team got weaker and weaker. This culminated at the start of the 17/18 season with just Shawcross as the only original member of Pulis’s team and as a result we were relegated ! So what we are now witnessing the seeds were sewn several years ago, a mixture of poor recruitment, common sense, foresight and burying ones head in the sand is the reason for our demise, Rowett didn’t start the rot he’s the poor patsy who has been sold on a broken promise and is fighting against a incoming Tsunami ! I can't tell if you are on a wind up
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 27, 2018 5:50:12 GMT
Any manager and I don’t care who or what they have done in the past Should if they choose to start crouch in a game they wish to win be sacked straight after the match And referred for there own safety for medical advice and treatment
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Post by Block 22 on Sept 27, 2018 6:24:21 GMT
I’m just saying that’s only a fair comparison if Rowett was playing the same way, 11 men behind the ball and not moving. My contrary opinion to yours is that I would rather see spells of good play and games finishing 2-2, 3-2 and working hard on the individual mistakes to translate good periods into good games than watching a Paul Lambert side put 11 men behind the ball with no intention of committing men forward to try and score. Just my opinion. Apologies if it isn’t aligned with yours. Bloody hell. If you are going to argue with someone on here try to read and understand their posts! I did read and understand the post. He’s saying Lambert is better than Rowett based on the fact he had us conceding less. He then proceeds to say that he ‘did more’ than Rowett has done because the players listened to him. 1) Any manager can achieve a team that’s difficult to beat by parking 11 men behind the ball with no intention of scoring. 2) Its a damn site easier to get players to listen to and complete the following instruction.. “stay compact, don’t move, don’t commit yourselves forward and try and nick a goal if an opportunity arises”. Than it is to say “play positively at every opportunity, keep the ball for long spells, move the ball quick, get forward with the full backs high up the pitch AS WELL AS DONT CONCEDE”. I reckon there’s a good chance Barney Rubble could achieve number 1. But is that really what Stoke fans want to see? It can’t be because most of us are in absolute agreement that Lambert had to go. It’s not as Black and White as Lambert stopped us conceding freely, yes he did, but also because of the way we played we looked like we would play for a month and not score. It is an opinion that what Lambert did was better. I’d rather we’d won 2 games like we have and watched a few high-scoring games than parked the bus every single week and drawn all 9. Yes I want to see us harder to beat, but do I want to see us harder to beat whilst being absolutely bored shitless without a cat in hells chance of scoring at the other end? No. Its not a task to be underestimated.
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