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Post by toppercorner on Dec 31, 2018 11:56:44 GMT
aye Scholesy .... it's Moyesy .... is the big man in? .... Yeah I'll hold ..... Attachments:
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Post by ChesterStokie on Dec 31, 2018 11:57:30 GMT
Well Moyes can’t do worse than Rowett so a good opportunity for him to restore his reputation.
And of course we could offer him a MASSIVE bonus for getting us promoted this season, which is still very doable.
I think he might just bite this time.
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Post by neddy on Dec 31, 2018 12:00:25 GMT
Always my first choice FM and think he would work well with the family?
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Post by pavel on Dec 31, 2018 12:03:41 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-david-moyes-rowett-1590616I was very surprised he didn't want it in the summer. He was clearly the first choice by a mile. It always looked a long-shot he'd get anything better. He might be keen to get back in now. Good geographically for him, knows he'd be backed. Coates would love him and he's close friends with Scholes too, isn't he? It all fits. If they've been given the wink, Rowett will be out soon Do you want my gut feeling? I'd say the decision has already been made and it's a case of fudging through the Christmas period and into the new year without having to deal with a caretaker situation. Could be wrong, a million miles wrong but I'd be surprised if we don't have a new man in after Shrewsbury. We can only hope, things can’t continue as they are. The clubs been very quiet recently, a good sign? So anything is possible.
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Post by chigstoke on Dec 31, 2018 12:19:46 GMT
Always my first choice FM and think he would work well with the family? Moyes would relish working with Coates. Chance for him to get back into management, Prem teams showing no sign of interest, getting a promotion with us would be a good achievement as he currently has none on record. And I think he would be much more likely to command the respect of the players than Rowett.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2018 12:28:43 GMT
If the club feel Rowett's time is up I could live with Moyes.
I'm hardly salivating at prospect, it appears he's felt he's above us when we've been linked with him over the years. But for a Coates appointment it would be about as good as it gets.....
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 31, 2018 12:31:39 GMT
Always liked Moyes as he seems a decent honest bloke. His stock is low at the moment after a couple of bad appointments but was excellent at Everton. I think he’d suit us.
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Post by BuzzB on Dec 31, 2018 12:35:37 GMT
Always liked Moyes as he seems a decent honest bloke. His stock is low at the moment after a couple of bad appointments but was excellent at Everton. I think he’d suit us. I thought he did a decent job at West Ham mate to be fair.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Dec 31, 2018 12:37:32 GMT
Hopefully it's all good to go smoothly if we're crap against Bristol City tomorrow.
If the club fanny around like they did with Lambo, it'll be a waste of the window, and it'll be another repeated mistake.
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 31, 2018 12:46:32 GMT
If the club feel Rowett's time is up I could live with Moyes. I'm hardly salivating at prospect, it appears he's felt he's above us when we've been linked with him over the years. But for a Coates appointment it would be about as good as it gets..... Nothing wrong with ambition. He has always been in a good place when he might have come to Stoke or hoping for a plum job with a big club. He might still not relish dropping to the Championship and prefer to repeat what he did at West Ham with another PL club, but there isn't an obvious PL club looking to sack their manager just yet, so he might well be tempted. I certainly think he would get the best out of squad.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Dec 31, 2018 12:56:05 GMT
Once you’ve lost the fans, which he clearly has, then he needs to be shown the door.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 31, 2018 12:57:48 GMT
Nixon on twitter... Is Rowett's job safe or under pressure? Massively under pressureSounds like he could well be gone soon Please let it be true As I said stubborn but not daft they know make no mistake it’s coming
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Post by santy on Dec 31, 2018 13:04:40 GMT
One advantage Moyes would have, and this is the point I made to a mate earlier in the year is respect for the manager. With Rowett there must have always been an undercurrent that every player in our squad would feel that as a player they are better than Rowett was and that there wasn't much he could teach them.
He hadn't proven himself a success yet, he hadn't done anything particularly noteworthy and he didn't come in with bright ideas that would bring the lads into line.
It was something that sparked in my mind when Shaqiri spoke about Lambert, and how he had respect for him because of what he had done in his career as a player. It wasn't the best career, but there was enough there that a player pointed to it. Moyes has a much greater degree of status about him, which you think would get the players behind.
It is something I've often wondered though, I mean we saw it a lot with Pulis and creative individuals down the years but when you rock up at training and you're a Bojan, a Shawcross, a Choupo Moting or Ndiaye even if you are professional, it really must be a prominent thought niggling away of "I know more than you. I've done this to a far higher level than you, far more consistently than you." When things don't go right, that sentiment is likely to be a real issue, and if it comes down to the point where your status in the game as a player wasn't up to it compared to the players you're managing, and the ideas you want the team to play by don't work, so also aren't worth respecting - ultimately how much can a professional footballer respect the man?
This seems particularly an issue that has affected managers recently.
Paul Hurst at Ipswich and Heckingbottom at Leeds last season stand out as two good examples of when a manager went somewhere that there was little reason to respect them despite their decent records elsewhere and they failed. Eddie Howe struggled at Burnley, and for me a small part was that he was no longer "Eddie Howe held in high regard by everyone at the club" he was just a manager.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 31, 2018 13:05:14 GMT
I’ll nail my colours here big Sam would be mu first choice but Moyes would be a brilliant appointment if given the level of control he had at Everton , he has the be given three it’s a huge cultural turnaround that required but at least its recruiting in the right pool .
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Post by knyperstokie on Dec 31, 2018 13:10:36 GMT
Well Moyes can’t do worse than Rowett so a good opportunity for him to restore his reputation. And of course we could offer him a MASSIVE bonus for getting us promoted this season, which is still very doable. I think he might just bite this time.
Stoke in the premiership next season - nightmare unless they spend hundreds of millions on a new squad which is not going to happen
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 31, 2018 13:15:26 GMT
Percy doesn't seem to be aware of anything super-imminent.....
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Post by lordb on Dec 31, 2018 13:16:17 GMT
Always my first choice FM and think he would work well with the family? Moyes would relish working with Coates. Chance for him to get back into management, Prem teams showing no sign of interest, getting a promotion with us would be a good achievement as he currently has none on record. And I think he would be much more likely to command the respect of the players than Rowett. He does have a promotion,albeit from the league below with PNE
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 31, 2018 13:16:44 GMT
One advantage Moyes would have, and this is the point I made to a mate earlier in the year is respect for the manager. With Rowett there must have always been an undercurrent that every player in our squad would feel that as a player they are better than Rowett was and that there wasn't much he could teach them. He hadn't proven himself a success yet, he hadn't done anything particularly noteworthy and he didn't come in with bright ideas that would bring the lads into line. It was something that sparked in my mind when Shaqiri spoke about Lambert, and how he had respect for him because of what he had done in his career as a player. It wasn't the best career, but there was enough there that a player pointed to it. Moyes has a much greater degree of status about him, which you think would get the players behind. It is something I've often wondered though, I mean we saw it a lot with Pulis and creative individuals down the years but when you rock up at training and you're a Bojan, a Shawcross, a Choupo Moting or Ndiaye even if you are professional, it really must be a prominent thought niggling away of "I know more than you. I've done this to a far higher level than you, far more consistently than you." When things don't go right, that sentiment is likely to be a real issue, and if it comes down to the point where your status in the game as a player wasn't up to it compared to the players you're managing, and the ideas you want the team to play by don't work, so also aren't worth respecting - ultimately how much can a professional footballer respect the man? This seems particularly an issue that has affected managers recently. Paul Hurst at Ipswich and Heckingbottom at Leeds last season stand out as two good examples of when a manager went somewhere that there was little reason to respect them despite their decent records elsewhere and they failed. When I took my first managers job in 1975, one of the first things I was taught was respect. Firstly, to get respect you need to earn it, and secondly to maintain people's respect you have to give it. People can make their own mind up about Gary Rowett.
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Post by milky on Dec 31, 2018 13:17:40 GMT
From Derby Forum when Rowett was appointed! We were warned! Dear Mr Coates I would just like to say thank you for appointing that defensive minded negative nobber as your new manager ,It is an astute piece of business [well at least it is from our end ] Instead of spending my Saturdays being bored rigid watching the worst football in my 60 years watching Derby I am looking forward to being entertained again. The money you kindly paid to take away Two Shots has probably gone towards funding two young [yes under 30] players so money well spend [ again from a Derby perspective]. We also have a manager who does what he says he will, bit of a novelty after the past year or so. Folk have been going on about football coming home well it is to Pride Park. Once again thank you I hope you enjoy watching football in and around your own penalty area and you don't find it too stressful . Kind regards KK Scary how accurate they were !
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Post by FrankButcher on Dec 31, 2018 13:18:44 GMT
Percy doesn't seem to be aware of anything super-imminent..... he doesn't exactly rule it out though either does he FM?? He seems to be stating the obvious to me
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Post by clarkeda on Dec 31, 2018 13:20:53 GMT
The more I think about it the more I think he might take it if offered. It doesn't look like anybody is going to blink in the Premier League and at the end of the season he's been out of football for a calendar year, a long time in this game. Soon forgotten. He'll want to get back in even if it is at this level and I'm sure he'd relish working under our Chairman. It would be a similar situation to Everton in structure. Is he a promotion man though? He's never actually won anything has he? www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-david-moyes-rowett-1590616I was very surprised he didn't want it in the summer. He was clearly the first choice by a mile. It always looked a long-shot he'd get anything better. He might be keen to get back in now. Good geographically for him, knows he'd be backed. Coates would love him and he's close friends with Scholes too, isn't he? It all fits. If they've been given the wink, Rowett will be out soon Didn’t he work under scholes at Preston? Or am I making this up?
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Post by chigstoke on Dec 31, 2018 13:22:34 GMT
Moyes would relish working with Coates. Chance for him to get back into management, Prem teams showing no sign of interest, getting a promotion with us would be a good achievement as he currently has none on record. And I think he would be much more likely to command the respect of the players than Rowett. He does have a promotion,albeit from the league below with PNE D'oh! I'd forgotten about his time at PNE!
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 31, 2018 13:23:13 GMT
Percy doesn't seem to be aware of anything super-imminent..... Spot on Mr Percy
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Post by neddy on Dec 31, 2018 13:24:53 GMT
Percy doesn't seem to be aware of anything super-imminent..... Can someone ask him what he means by that comment?
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 31, 2018 13:24:54 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-david-moyes-rowett-1590616I was very surprised he didn't want it in the summer. He was clearly the first choice by a mile. It always looked a long-shot he'd get anything better. He might be keen to get back in now. Good geographically for him, knows he'd be backed. Coates would love him and he's close friends with Scholes too, isn't he? It all fits. If they've been given the wink, Rowett will be out soon Didn’t he work under scholes at Preston? Or am I making this up? Yeah, their spells there overlapped. Scholes was Chief Exec between 1998 and 2002. And Moyes was manager from 1998 to 2002. www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/everton/3020086/Preston-slap-3million-price-tag-on-Moyes.htmlPreston chief executive Tony Scholes added: "We believe that David Moyes is the best young manager in the game. "We don't want him to leave. If he does inform us, however, that he wishes to leave we will ensure that adequate compensation is paid. "We cannot let someone of the value of David leave without appropriate compensation being paid." Moyes' Kevin the Teenager phase.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2018 13:27:56 GMT
Percy doesn't seem to be aware of anything super-imminent..... He's right though, changing the manager without the hierarchy won't solve everything.....
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 31, 2018 13:35:34 GMT
Didn’t he work under scholes at Preston? Or am I making this up? Yeah, their spells there overlapped. Scholes was Chief Exec between 1998 and 2002. And Moyes was manager from 1998 to 2002. www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/everton/3020086/Preston-slap-3million-price-tag-on-Moyes.htmlPreston chief executive Tony Scholes added: "We believe that David Moyes is the best young manager in the game. "We don't want him to leave. If he does inform us, however, that he wishes to leave we will ensure that adequate compensation is paid. "We cannot let someone of the value of David leave without appropriate compensation being paid." Moyes' Kevin the Teenager phase. Hughes was a Scholes appointment. I think IF he was available then it may sway the board into getting rid of Rowett but I think he'd be the only one who would twist their arm into making an early decision (apart from some back to back defeats)
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 31, 2018 13:36:38 GMT
Percy doesn't seem to be aware of anything super-imminent..... He's right though, changing the manager without the hierarchy won't solve everything..... You don't know that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2018 13:39:31 GMT
He's right though, changing the manager without the hierarchy won't solve everything..... You don't know that. You don't know Rowett won't turn things round using your own argument.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 31, 2018 13:41:56 GMT
You don't know Rowett won't turn things round using your own argument. Obviously, but aspiring clubs make pro-active decisions when things are clearly not working. If Moyes is available and keen, Coates will pull the trigger if it gets bad tomorrow, IMHO.
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