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Post by Gods on Sept 23, 2018 14:52:01 GMT
I don't believe we will sack him. he is contracted with us to 2021, we'd have to pay that off, we have already paid off his contract at Derby to 2021 so we are paying twice for him already in effect. if we sacked him we'd have to pay for a 3rd manager over the period 18-21, it would just be farcical. And don't forget we already paid Hughes off. We'd be getting 1 manager for the price of 4 over this period. Our reputation for continuity and financial and moral rectitude would be in tatters. We've made our bed and we're going to lie in it for a minimum of 2 seasons.
For what it's worth I think he'll get there, if not this season then next. He may not be getting everything right but I don't underestimate his determination to grasp the nettle.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Sept 23, 2018 14:53:48 GMT
He’ll get the boot, he’ll lose the players and his position will become untenable
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Sept 23, 2018 14:58:41 GMT
He’ll get the boot, he’ll lose the players and his position will become untenable Any more interviews where he asks the fans to boo the players not him and he'll lose the dressing room quicker than he thinks. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 23, 2018 15:03:55 GMT
I don't believe we will sack him. he is contracted with us to 2021, we'd have to pay that off, we have already paid off his contract at Derby to 2021 so we are paying twice for him already in effect. if we sacked him we'd have to pay for a 3rd manager over the period 18-21, it would just be farcical. And don't forget we already paid Hughes off. We'd be getting 1 manager for the price of 4 over this period. Our reputation for continuity and financial and moral rectitude would be in tatters. We've made our bed and we're going to lie in it for a minimum of 2 seasons. For what it's worth I think he'll get there, if not this season then next. He may not be getting everything right but I don't underestimate his determination to grasp the nettle. His position is totally untenable , he has achieved the unthinkable of actually being worse for stoke city than the ceo or technical director , Hitler , Herod and Attila hun are were more Suited to baby sitting than these three to running a football club , if Coates were 10 years younger he’d be rid of the lot Tomorrow , put his son back into school and get some proper football men in |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 15:10:09 GMT
We don't know the metrics he is being measured on. I'm sure it's ultimately promotion. But is it this season, next season, the term of his contract? Whatever he needs the team to perform and they aren't, which is no doubt causing him anxiety.
I don't think he will be sacked. The board went after him twice and have paid a lot of money even before getting to his contract. And for all the talk of him having time to reshape the team, he did inherit the proverbial dead horse. And it's take a long, long time to kick start a dead horse.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 23, 2018 15:11:18 GMT
‘Moral rectitude?’
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Post by rawli on Sept 23, 2018 15:12:59 GMT
How many more managers can we sack? We can't just lurch from one manager and backroom staff to another every few months.
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 23, 2018 15:15:04 GMT
How many more managers can we sack? We can't just lurch from one manager and backroom staff to another every few months. We've had 5 managers in 15 years. |
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Post by rawli on Sept 23, 2018 15:19:54 GMT
How many more managers can we sack? We can't just lurch from one manager and backroom staff to another every few months. We've had 5 managers in 15 years. And 3 in less than a year. I'm not massively enthused by Rowett but he's hamstrung by a complacent lazy squad most of whom we can't give away and a board which is living in dreamland. If I thought the board would appoint what's needed then I'd be all for changing. They won't though. |
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Post by skelman on Sept 23, 2018 15:26:38 GMT
We don't know the metrics he is being measured on. I'm sure it's ultimately promotion. But is it this season, next season, the term of his contract? Whatever he needs the team to perform and they aren't, which is no doubt causing him anxiety. I don't think he will be sacked. The board went after him twice and have paid a lot of money even before getting to his contract. And for all the talk of him having time to reshape the team, he did inherit the proverbial dead horse. And it's take a long, long time to kick start a dead horse. At the moment I think he's being measured on achieving a play off place this season and nothing less. Coates stated that anything less would be seen as a failure. If we finished 6th or above then irrespective of a play-off outcome, I think he'd be allowed to continue into the 2019/20 season. If however, it looks like we are incapable of a top 6 place with Rowett by 27th October (Bristol City) 1/3 of the way through the season) then I think he would be sacked very soon after, as I stated on the 'Managerial Shortlist' thread. |
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 23, 2018 15:31:24 GMT
I don't believe we will sack him. he is contracted with us to 2021, we'd have to pay that off, we have already paid off his contract at Derby to 2021 so we are paying twice for him already in effect. if we sacked him we'd have to pay for a 3rd manager over the period 18-21, it would just be farcical. And don't forget we already paid Hughes off. We'd be getting 1 manager for the price of 4 over this period. Our reputation for continuity and financial and moral rectitude would be in tatters. We've made our bed and we're going to lie in it for a minimum of 2 seasons. For what it's worth I think he'll get there, if not this season then next. He may not be getting everything right but I don't underestimate his determination to grasp the nettle. The money is a piss into the wind if he was sacked tomorrow Stoke would pay out less than half what they’ll lose on wimmer alone |
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Post by stokeykez on Sept 23, 2018 16:13:02 GMT
How many more managers can we sack? We can't just lurch from one manager and backroom staff to another every few months. The board should have the ability to identify when we should sack managers ( hughes) and identify quality long term pedigree manager ( not lambert/ rowett). Buy cheap you'll buy twice |
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Post by kustokie on Sept 23, 2018 16:21:43 GMT
It does not matter how much you pay someone to do a job if you don’t give them the tools. Imagine you are an electrician and you don’t have a screw driver or a pair of pliers, but you do have a hammer and a chisel. Would you do a better job if you were paid twice as much?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 16:32:47 GMT
He’ll get the boot, he’ll lose the players and his position will become untenable He'll be gone after the Derby home game...the entire stadium will be singing you don't know what you're doing and it'll push him over the edge! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 16:34:43 GMT
It does not matter how much you pay someone to do a job if you don’t give them the tools. Imagine you are an electrician and you don’t have a screw driver or a pair of pliers, but you do have a hammer and a chisel. Would you do a better job if you were paid twice as much? No but I wouldn't have amassed a massive collection of screws (midfielders) either knowing I had no screw drivers fit for purpose (defenders) |
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Post by kustokie on Sept 23, 2018 16:35:09 GMT
Who would replace him?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 16:35:16 GMT
We don't have a say in the matter and we never did, although I'm aware that there are those that think the Coates bow to fan pressure - they don't!
The only way we might just get lucky after all is if GR lets the chairmen he's rejected in the past know that he is keen on moving on. Anyone in football can see that scfc is rotten to the core; everything that we could do wrong we've done wrong, and more. It will not be seen as his fault necessarily by those chairmen.
And it will not be out of character if he moves on, after a year. He has a history of doing that.
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Post by kustokie on Sept 23, 2018 16:36:28 GMT
It does not matter how much you pay someone to do a job if you don’t give them the tools. Imagine you are an electrician and you don’t have a screw driver or a pair of pliers, but you do have a hammer and a chisel. Would you do a better job if you were paid twice as much? No but I wouldn't have amassed a massive collection of screws (midfielders) either knowing I had no screw drivers fit for purpose (defenders) Good point |
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Post by santy on Sept 23, 2018 16:37:22 GMT
It does not matter how much you pay someone to do a job if you don’t give them the tools. Imagine you are an electrician and you don’t have a screw driver or a pair of pliers, but you do have a hammer and a chisel. Would you do a better job if you were paid twice as much? Doesn't necessarily help when you give your screwdriver away to some guy in Paris. He's actually bought pretty well, which is what makes it all the more tragic seeing him having no real clue how to set-up a team with attacking intent. Or defensive solidarity for that matter. It's all fine and good making a tool analogy, but the reality is he has us playing a style which is too deep to make use of the pace in the team (but not deep enough to prevent balls in behind, some kind of "I want to play really defensive but know I can't with a team expected to go up" approach) and suffers from a whopping great 30-40 yard rift between midfield and attack unless you fancy punting it down the channels for someone to chase. What would be the tool analogy here? That he's trying to use a hammer to do a screwdrivers job? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 16:40:02 GMT
if we sacked him we'd have to pay for a 3rd manager over the period 18-21, it would just be farcical. I'm not sure whether we are still paying for Hughes, as he's now employed elsewhere (at the time of writing this anyway), and we're not paying for Lambert, since his contract only ran to 30.6.2018. |
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Post by Gods on Sept 23, 2018 16:41:30 GMT
Yes, before the recent spate of sackings and player fall outs I think we could rightly have claimed to have taken an upright and honorable approach to club employees, think the Rory Delap broken leg when we could have sent him back to his parent club, financial support with Matty Etherington's gambling woes, the Stephen Ireland contract extension following his hideous leg break. We cut both Pulis and Hughes some slack in their last couple of seasons when other boards may have pulled the trigger sooner. We were rewarded for some of it and some of it blew up in our faces. |
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Post by Gods on Sept 23, 2018 16:43:54 GMT
if we sacked him we'd have to pay for a 3rd manager over the period 18-21, it would just be farcical. I'm not sure whether we are still paying for Hughes, as he's now employed elsewhere (at the time of writing this anyway), and we're not paying for Lambert, since his contract only ran to 30.6.2018. I didn't mention Lambert because I think you are right we had a get out clause. Of course we are not literally still paying Hughes but we sacked him when he had no other job, not for breaking his contract so I presume we had to pay up what remained. |
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Post by rawli on Sept 23, 2018 17:05:28 GMT
How many more managers can we sack? We can't just lurch from one manager and backroom staff to another every few months. The board should have the ability to identify when we should sack managers ( hughes) and identify quality long term pedigree manager ( not lambert/ rowett). Buy cheap you'll buy twice We didn't buy cheap! He cost us 3 million quid. |
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Post by citynickscfc on Sept 23, 2018 17:22:05 GMT
I don't believe we will sack him. he is contracted with us to 2021, we'd have to pay that off, we have already paid off his contract at Derby to 2021 so we are paying twice for him already in effect. if we sacked him we'd have to pay for a 3rd manager over the period 18-21, it would just be farcical. And don't forget we already paid Hughes off. We'd be getting 1 manager for the price of 4 over this period. Our reputation for continuity and financial and moral rectitude would be in tatters. We've made our bed and we're going to lie in it for a minimum of 2 seasons. For what it's worth I think he'll get there, if not this season then next. He may not be getting everything right but I don't underestimate his determination to grasp the nettle. As insightful as your posts usually are Gods I don't think this is how it works. I think we probably paid Hughes a severance payment but we simply continued to pay him his usual salary until he got another job (which he did swiftly) therefore I don't believe we paid all that much to get rid, basically whatever the severance agreement was + his regular pay? I think that's how it works? Lambert we got out of. This one would be similar. Severance + we pay him until he gets another job? |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 23, 2018 17:34:09 GMT
He’ll get the boot, he’ll lose the players and his position will become untenable He'll be gone after the Derby home game...the entire stadium will be singing you don't know what you're doing and it'll push him over the edge! I doubt it. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 23, 2018 17:35:07 GMT
The board should have the ability to identify when we should sack managers ( hughes) and identify quality long term pedigree manager ( not lambert/ rowett). Buy cheap you'll buy twice We didn't buy cheap! He cost us 3 million quid. It started at 2 and by the end of the season it'll be 10  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 18:10:53 GMT
It's when someone shoves a bible up ya ass I think =) |
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 23, 2018 18:13:13 GMT
As always its about results , get decent ones he will be ok , if this form is the same by Christmas I think the club will be very worried about the future .
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Post by Gods on Sept 23, 2018 18:14:02 GMT
I don't believe we will sack him. he is contracted with us to 2021, we'd have to pay that off, we have already paid off his contract at Derby to 2021 so we are paying twice for him already in effect. if we sacked him we'd have to pay for a 3rd manager over the period 18-21, it would just be farcical. And don't forget we already paid Hughes off. We'd be getting 1 manager for the price of 4 over this period. Our reputation for continuity and financial and moral rectitude would be in tatters. We've made our bed and we're going to lie in it for a minimum of 2 seasons. For what it's worth I think he'll get there, if not this season then next. He may not be getting everything right but I don't underestimate his determination to grasp the nettle. As insightful as your posts usually are Gods I don't think this is how it works. I think we probably paid Hughes a severance payment but we simply continued to pay him his usual salary until he got another job (which he did swiftly) therefore I don't believe we paid all that much to get rid, basically whatever the severance agreement was + his regular pay? I think that's how it works? Lambert we got out of. This one would be similar. Severance + we pay him until he gets another job? I stand corrected if that's how managerial sackings work. I still contend we have way too much emotional pride and financial capital tied up in Rowett to dispatch him after 9 tepid performances. Our Board will hang tough on this one and go the distance. He is their man and they bust a gut to get him here. |
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Post by rawli on Sept 23, 2018 18:25:19 GMT
We didn't buy cheap! He cost us 3 million quid. It started at 2 and by the end of the season it'll be 10 Sorry - couldn't remember if it was 2 or 3. Let's call it 4. |
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