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Post by kustokie on Sept 24, 2018 12:45:36 GMT
Do I understand this correctly, if a company takes on an employee based on their ability to do a job, then the employee does not live up to expectations, the company must pay out their contract in order to get them out of the company? surely if someone is taking the piss then there must be some sort of clause to remove them, otherwise there will be numerous companies going broke over the coming years. Maybe im out of touch with the football world but this is just plain madness and suicidal. No it's simply a case that there isn't one standrd contract for every company that employs people. Why do people insist on thinking that because their employment contract states certain things, then that's the way it works for every profession in the world? I can guarantee that my employment is different from yours, which in turn is different from many other people's as well. It's not a new thing, if it was then we'd have seen players and managers getting "sacked" from clubs without any pay out left, right and centre for decades by now. He could be fired for cause because if this continues they will have ample justification. However, I’d wait another 4-6 games to give him a chance to prove he has not lost the confidence of the team as well identifying another sucker who is willing to take on the task, which may be a bigger problem.
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Post by ethers26 on Sept 24, 2018 12:47:49 GMT
We can't just keep replacing managers only to find out that all of them can do fuck all with the shower of shit defence/captain we've got.
Let's not turn into one of those clubs please.
At least Rowett's side has started to score goals and has got back into games from losing positions so far.
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Post by kustokie on Sept 24, 2018 12:52:32 GMT
There is one question. Who would replace him? Plenty of people on the Oatcake could do better. At least there are some good ideas on here, along with a lot BS! You'd probably improve things instantly by playing a formation that actually worked, using players that actually work in it, and made the obviously-required personnel changes. The fucking kit-man could do that, and in theory, improve upon what we've seen so far. It’s not just a case of picking a line up and making the right subs - we could all do that. It’s the preparation between games that counts. Rowett says they worked on cutting out the basic defensive mistakes that are the cause of our poor performances. Either the players are too stupid to understand what he saying, they don’t care anymore, the message is not getting through or, and this is the most likely, the players are now too old and too slow, unable to cover ground like they used to.
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Post by butler64 on Sept 24, 2018 13:00:04 GMT
We can't just keep replacing managers only to find out that all of them can do fuck all with the shower of shit defence/captain we've got. Let's not turn into one of those clubs please. At least Rowett's side has started to score goals and has got back into games from losing positions so far. I'd agree with this and that what we need is stability but selecting the right manager is absolutely key to anything that we might achieve. The biggest issue for me is that I don't see what our strategy is and what we are hoping to achieve. At the moment, I'm hoping that we don't go down. However, I don't think anyone of us would have realistically thought that we would have started life in the Championship so badly. I don't think Rowett is helping himself right now with some of his decision making and comments but he really needs to sort out our performances very quickly. Cheers GB
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Post by britsabroad on Sept 24, 2018 13:14:49 GMT
We can't just keep replacing managers only to find out that all of them can do fuck all with the shower of shit defence/captain we've got. Let's not turn into one of those clubs please. At least Rowett's side has started to score goals and has got back into games from losing positions so far. You can't but anyone could have told you Rowett was not the right pick. Stoke will become a mid table Championship side with him in charge. With how long the board held on to Hughes and the appointments since you wonder if they're not interested anymore.
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Post by metalhead on Sept 24, 2018 13:24:34 GMT
After Saturday, Rowett has to make changes otherwise he is running a serious risk of being gone by Christmas. You can't just keep trying the same thing and expecting different results. We got lucky against Swansea and Hull were dross. Ryan needs some time out of the team. It would help him re-focus and I'm sure it will make a better player of him. Joe Allen also needs dropping. Allen for me, has been as bad as any player this season. You can't throw in the odd decent performance and say "yeah that shows why he's worth keeping". He's been garbage. As bad as Ryan, if not worse. Pieters is hanging on for grim life, but is another that could do with a rest. 100%. If we weigh up all of this season's performances/results, we've not really been 'better' than anyone we've faced, barring Hull (utter shite) after they went down to 10 men, and half a game vs Sheff Weds. The valuable point we got at Preston was with hindsight, scraped vs a side now bottom of the table. Outside of that we've been matched or bettered, by every team we've come across. I totally missed the fact PNE are bottom. Wow, that's just the cherry on top of the shit shake isn't it? It's sliding, it really is. Our club is sliding into oblivion. Call me a doom mongerer, but if we don't arrest this decline, we will fall out of this league and then we'll be so far off, we'll never come back.
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Post by metalhead on Sept 24, 2018 13:28:23 GMT
There is one question. Who would replace him? Plenty of people on the Oatcake could do better. At least there are some good ideas on here, along with a lot BS! You'd probably improve things instantly by playing a formation that actually worked, using players that actually work in it, and made the obviously-required personnel changes. The fucking kit-man could do that, and in theory, improve upon what we've seen so far. The thing is, I don't feel as though the formation was such a bad decision, but when something isn't working, you have to make changes. Pulis knew that. Hughes up until the end, knew that. It took 3, 4(?) games for Gary Rowett to realise just how far out of his depth dodgy Darren is..... yet he still continues to sneak his way onto the subs bench. That guy shouldn't be anywhere near the first team. His eyes, head, motivation, legs and desire have all completely gone. How long will it take Rowett to spot that Shawcross needs a rest? Another 4 defeats? How long until he drops Allen? What about Pieters? OK, Erik has been better than last season but he's still been generally shit. How long before Gary gives Saido another chance after playing very well and yet inexplicably dropping him? Shambolic comes to mind. If you didn't know better, you'd think Rowett is enjoying fucking us up, like a kid on Championship Manager playing with the team he hates just so they can lose 9-0 every game. I don't believe that, but considering Rowett's managerial record is under the spotlight, this job could literally break his career. Sort it Gary.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 24, 2018 14:06:12 GMT
I think they do this time On what basis? They haven't even issued him with a vote of confidence. Telling in itself I think
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 14:32:24 GMT
On what basis? They haven't even issued him with a vote of confidence. Telling in itself I think You don't understand the meaning of the vote of confidence. It means you're out the door if results don't improve instantly. I don't believe the board have answered any interview requests this season, although PC usually speaks often - I am sure there will have been a fair number of journo requests - they are supporting him silently. Which in other words means he is free to do as he pleases. And that's bad news for any Stoke supporter.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 18:27:27 GMT
He can be sacked quite easily for professional misconduct - fraud
He has been posing as a championship manager since August clearly without the skills to go with it 😬
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Post by ethers26 on Sept 24, 2018 18:30:33 GMT
We can't just keep replacing managers only to find out that all of them can do fuck all with the shower of shit defence/captain we've got. Let's not turn into one of those clubs please. At least Rowett's side has started to score goals and has got back into games from losing positions so far. I'd agree with this and that what we need is stability but selecting the right manager is absolutely key to anything that we might achieve. The biggest issue for me is that I don't see what our strategy is and what we are hoping to achieve. At the moment, I'm hoping that we don't go down. However, I don't think anyone of us would have realistically thought that we would have started life in the Championship so badly. I don't think Rowett is helping himself right now with some of his decision making and comments but he really needs to sort out our performances very quickly. Cheers GB It's difficult for a manager to put his stamp on things when we're conceding goals so readily (like we have been doing under the previous 2 managers). Once we address that issue, I think he'll do well. Besides, bar Big Sam there's not many managers out there now who have proven experience of keeping a side in the Prem if we get back up anyway.
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