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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 16, 2018 20:58:35 GMT
To drop two big (very big) players. He'll get me back on side if he has.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2018 20:59:22 GMT
Allen I agree with. The other I'm assuming is Shawcross? I would probably keep him in, thought he was okay yesterday.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 16, 2018 20:59:32 GMT
No.
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Post by lordb on Sept 16, 2018 21:01:20 GMT
Who comes in for Shawcross?
Williams?
Same issues.
Bruno fucked up Saturday not Shawcross,drop him?
No satisfactory answers 😞
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Post by Uncle cheese on Sept 16, 2018 21:02:47 GMT
Allen I agree with. The other I'm assuming is Shawcross? I would probably keep him in, thought he was okay yesterday. Why would you keep him? He’s been shot for a while. I’m guessing it’s because of lack of options He needs to be dropped if only to give a kick up the arse |
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Post by lordb on Sept 16, 2018 21:04:28 GMT
I'd drop Shawcross,Bruno and Pieters.
Wouldn't play Williams either.
Play some of those other defenders we have.
In all seriousness it's a huge problem.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 16, 2018 21:07:20 GMT
Allen is a no brainer, he simply has to be dropped. My posting history will testify to my love of Shawcross but I think now it's a question that has to be most firmly on the table. The options aren't particularly appealing but there isn't a shred of evidence things are going to improve in that fiasco of a defence. It's time to get really tough and accept Father Time has taken his toll.
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Post by skip on Sept 16, 2018 21:07:24 GMT
It would prove something to me if he dropped Allen. No point having a squad if you have undroppable players. Especially when it's P7 W1 in a lower league FFS.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 16, 2018 21:09:24 GMT
The irony being, that the two players who are Rowett's first two names on the (outfield) team sheet are also the first two players who should be bombed out of the side.
We don't really have an obvious replacement for Ryan (maybe Martina, with Bauer coming back in?) but to keep Allen in the team at the expense of a number 10 is absolutely scandalous.
Will Rowett drop him though?
N-O-T A C-H-A-N-C-E
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 16, 2018 21:13:37 GMT
The irony being, that the two players who are Rowett's first two names on the (outfield) team sheet are also the first two players who should be bombed out of the side. We don't really have an obvious replacement for Ryan (maybe Martina, with Bauer coming back in?) but to keep Allen in the team at the expense of a number 10 is absolutely scandalous. Will Rowett drop him though? N-O-T A C-H-A-N-C-E I fear you're right, Paul. |
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Post by lordb on Sept 16, 2018 21:15:32 GMT
Martina at centre back?
Maybe
That would still leave Pieters and Bruno or Williams.
We don't have a defence capable of going more than a game and a half (at the very most) without conceding a piss poor goal.
Shawcross was OK yesterday so he's due a fuck up v Swansea.
Same goes for Eric.
Really pleased with Woods,the shape of the side looks much better, goalscorer looks reliable,pace out wide.
Can drop Allen if you want.options there.
Big fucking hole in defence.
Other than signing better defenders or maybe giving g Souttar and Collins a go can't see any way round this.
Really thought Bauer, Shawcross,Bruno and Eric would be awesome at this level.
Couldn't have been more wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2018 21:18:26 GMT
Allen I agree with. The other I'm assuming is Shawcross? I would probably keep him in, thought he was okay yesterday. Why would you keep him? He’s been shot for a while. I’m guessing it’s because of lack of options He needs to be dropped if only to give a kick up the arse Honestly because i thought he had a decent game yesterday. |
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Post by skip on Sept 16, 2018 21:22:13 GMT
The irony being, that the two players who are Rowett's first two names on the (outfield) team sheet are also the first two players who should be bombed out of the side. We don't really have an obvious replacement for Ryan (maybe Martina, with Bauer coming back in?) but to keep Allen in the team at the expense of a number 10 is absolutely scandalous. Will Rowett drop him though? N-O-T A C-H-A-N-C-E Is it simply because of this nonsense about Allen's renewed contract? Whatever the case, many greater players than Allen have warmed the bench and earned the right to get back in the starting XI. |
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Sept 16, 2018 21:23:22 GMT
To answer the original question - no chance. Gouranga.  |
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Post by jeycov on Sept 16, 2018 21:23:57 GMT
Rowett may decide to “rest” Ryan with 3 games in 7 days - Williams being the most likely replacement especially as we are playing Swansea
If Ryan doesn’t feature, whoever is selected as captain will reveal a lot re Rowetts plans
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 16, 2018 21:24:04 GMT
It's a game we simply have to win.
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Post by kustokie on Sept 16, 2018 21:25:24 GMT
I agree with the all above. This is a right shambles and the other teams’ managers will have it figured out too. All they have to do is put a couple of quick players up front and hoof it over the top or push it through the gaps.
Rowett knows it better than anyone but he is powerless to do anything about it because he has no options. This is confirmed by the fact that he brought Crouch on for his defensive abilities (such as they are) to counter the giant SW brought on and try to hold on. The midfield issues are fixable, replace Allen with Bojan or Berahino and we will create plenty of chances. Ince and Afebo put can out those chances away and the left side is sorted once McLean returns. Unfortunately by then it may be too late.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 16, 2018 21:29:15 GMT
It's a game we simply have to win. Why what will happen if we don’t🤔 |
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Post by jaybee on Sept 16, 2018 21:31:57 GMT
I'd drop Shawcross,Bruno and Pieters. Wouldn't play Williams either. Play some of those other defenders we have. So, the "other defenders we have are ......................? Edwards - Martina - Souttar - Tymon Is that your thinking?   In all seriousness it's a huge problem. Well, it would be if they took your advice! ??? |
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 16, 2018 21:34:12 GMT
It's a game we simply have to win. Why what will happen if we don’t🤔 All sorts of bad shit. I think Rowett needs a win or it could start to turn nasty. For the money spent, it's not acceptable at the moment. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 16, 2018 21:42:53 GMT
Why what will happen if we don’t🤔 All sorts of bad shit. I think Rowett needs a win or it could start to turn nasty. For the money spent, it's not acceptable at the moment. Too early for that mate but I agree we need a win |
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Post by tomcmod on Sept 16, 2018 21:44:29 GMT
The irony being, that the two players who are Rowett's first two names on the (outfield) team sheet are also the first two players who should be bombed out of the side. We don't really have an obvious replacement for Ryan (maybe Martina, with Bauer coming back in?) but to keep Allen in the team at the expense of a number 10 is absolutely scandalous. Will Rowett drop him though? N-O-T A C-H-A-N-C-E Where is the insanity of putting Martina in the middle come from? He is a good full back, but positionally he is all over the place and I think I have seen him head the ball once(maybe twice) in all his games. Shawcross played better against Wednesday and is better having a player in front of him who actually wants the ball!!(Woods) |
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Post by lordb on Sept 16, 2018 21:48:54 GMT
I'd drop Shawcross,Bruno and Pieters. Wouldn't play Williams either. Play some of those other defenders we have. So, the "other defenders we have are ......................? Edwards - Martina - Souttar - Tymon Is that your thinking? In all seriousness it's a huge problem. Well, it would be if they took your advice! ??? My thinking is we are bit stuffed until January...unless the defenders we have defend better (can they do this). Martina looks solid enough at right back. We have other options at right back so maybe worth seeing Martina at left back? |
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Post by kustokie on Sept 16, 2018 21:53:20 GMT
So, the "other defenders we have are ......................? Edwards - Martina - Souttar - Tymon Is that your thinking? Well, it would be if they took your advice! ??? My thinking is we are bit stuffed until January...unless the defenders we have defend better (can they do this). Martina looks solid enough at right back. We have other options at right back so maybe worth seeing Martina at left back? What makes you think we’ll be more successful in signing two new CHs in January than we were over the Summer? We have two huge problems: 1) there’s only the bottom of the barrel left, 2) Stoke will be so far in the toilet that nobody that’s good will be interested (if they were available) and 3) our Board is reluctant to send good money after bad. Edit Martini can’t play LB. Everton tried it and it didn’t work. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 16, 2018 22:08:25 GMT
The irony being, that the two players who are Rowett's first two names on the (outfield) team sheet are also the first two players who should be bombed out of the side. We don't really have an obvious replacement for Ryan (maybe Martina, with Bauer coming back in?) but to keep Allen in the team at the expense of a number 10 is absolutely scandalous. Will Rowett drop him though? N-O-T A C-H-A-N-C-E Where is the insanity of putting Martina in the middle come from? He is a good full back, but positionally he is all over the place and I think I have seen him head the ball once(maybe twice) in all his games. Shawcross played better against Wednesday and is better having a player in front of him who actually wants the ball!!(Woods) Insanity? You should try reading the post again ... SLOWLY. I clearly said that there was no obvious replacement for Ryan, the only POSSIBLE one I could suggest was MAYBE Martina, as he has PLAYED THERE BEFORE. And the entire thrust of my post was about how difficult it would be to replace Ryan but how easy it would be to replace Allen. |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 16, 2018 22:11:42 GMT
The irony being, that the two players who are Rowett's first two names on the (outfield) team sheet are also the first two players who should be bombed out of the side. We don't really have an obvious replacement for Ryan (maybe Martina, with Bauer coming back in?) but to keep Allen in the team at the expense of a number 10 is absolutely scandalous. Will Rowett drop him though? N-O-T A C-H-A-N-C-E If it gets to the point where he realises its either that or he loses his job (OK not an immediate issue) then surely he'd do it |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 16, 2018 22:12:02 GMT
Bruno can get away with anything with some of you lot, astounding.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 16, 2018 22:16:59 GMT
Bruno can get away with anything with some of you lot, astounding. There's a good player in there as we saw when he was on loan. I'm not sure why we've not seeing it since mind. |
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Post by lordb on Sept 16, 2018 22:28:22 GMT
My thinking is we are bit stuffed until January...unless the defenders we have defend better (can they do this). Martina looks solid enough at right back. We have other options at right back so maybe worth seeing Martina at left back? What makes you think we’ll be more successful in signing two new CHs in January than we were over the Summer? We have two huge problems: 1) there’s only the bottom of the barrel left, 2) Stoke will be so far in the toilet that nobody that’s good will be interested (if they were available) and 3) our Board is reluctant to send good money after bad. Edit Martini can’t play LB. Everton tried it and it didn’t work. We might not be successful in January this is true. We pay good wages for this league though so we should be able to attract a good enough defender. |
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Post by Gods on Sept 16, 2018 22:46:30 GMT
I would not drop Allen or Shawcross.
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