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Post by jezzascfc on Sept 17, 2018 12:50:50 GMT
We cannot endure major surgery to the team now, not after what was essentially our best performance of the season. Allen should be dropped for Bojan or Saido for these two home games - very few of us would disagree with that one.
The defence is trickier, given the limited options to change things. Do we give Williams a game to rest Ryan's back from playing three games in a week? Do we bring back Bauer at right back and move Martina to centre back or left back? Could Erik even be tried at left centre back?
I think when one of McClean or Clucas is fit to play left wing back, we could got for a back three, but that would need some serious training ground work to get right.
For me, this midweek I'd bring Bojan, Bauer and Williams in for Allen, Pieters and Shawcross, to rotate the squad and keep everyone on their toes.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 13:07:26 GMT
Well, after all that's happened last season, and the war cry from the club, I was expecting a revolution. A bicarb of an eruption with our new manager that knows the championship like the back of his hand. Signals from the club that they will be backing their man to the hilt for a quick return with no nonsense, battling performances.
Plink plink fizzzzzzzz 😟
What now?
We need to give the guy more time but, above all the club need to support him far better than they did at the beginning
Let him live or die by his own sword.....it's only fair
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 13:09:36 GMT
I think you'll find football is played primarily with the feet. If you don't have some physicality in the midfield in this league you will end up with a bunch of midfield intellectuals scratching their heads wondering why they are getting mullered. The misty eyed thinking over Bojan is getting silly - and setting him as some sort of misunderstood Messiah is frankly barking. Since his injury he ducks out of tackles. Watch next time he makes a cameo - he's terrified of putting his body on the line. Every hairy arsed defender in the league must know this - they also know they've only got to make one tackle with some aggressive intent and even without making contact we'll be down to 10 men. He'll hide for the rest of the game - and in midfield that would be a disaster. Bojan has the ability to play well in this league - he simply doesn't have mentality. He's too soft. Terrified of putting his body on the line you say? He was on the pitch for less than 10 minutes on Saturday and he was the most fouled player in the game over the course of 90 minutes. Every time he got the ball, they basically shit themselves and kicked him. He didn't look scared to me. He just got on with the game and tried to get on the ball again. Don't let a fact get in the way of some good old fashioned Oatcake horse shit. The player himself called Macari out for his nonsense in the Sentinel last week, shame some of our fans can't take notice.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 13:13:15 GMT
It seems to me our season could well be defined on what is at present an uncertainty...
Can Woods and Etebo play as a midfield 2 with 3 in front of them? At some point we have to try it out which is not ideal, given we are 7 games into the season.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 13:52:17 GMT
I'd leave the midfield three as is and use the one behind a striker for when we need to change a game. I thought we played well at the weekend and thought the inclusion of Woods in that three changed the entire dynamic. Previously the support to Afobe with that system was non existent but with Woods playing football through midfield it was fine. I don't think either centre half is covering themselves in glory right now but the one to drop is Bruno. Bring in Williams and hope he doesn't have another brain fart. Allen I'd leave in until Clucas is fit at least, else we are looking at Fletcher or Adam. No thanks. You not fancying a 10 behind Afobe, with Woods and Etebo behind? Saido/Bojan? I'm more not up to chopping and changing any more. Rowett has already said countless times he wants 433 and given his reasons. Play a system he believes in, play the best players for that system and leave the man in behind the striker for when we need a plan B. Big boot to Crouch being Plan C.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 17, 2018 14:03:10 GMT
We cannot endure major surgery to the team now, not after what was essentially our best performance of the season. Allen should be dropped for Bojan or Saido for these two home games - very few of us would disagree with that one. The defence is trickier, given the limited options to change things. Do we give Williams a game to rest Ryan's back from playing three games in a week? Do we bring back Bauer at right back and move Martina to centre back or left back? Could Erik even be tried at left centre back? I think when one of McClean or Clucas is fit to play left wing back, we could got for a back three, but that would need some serious training ground work to get right. For me, this midweek I'd bring Bojan, Bauer and Williams in for Allen, Pieters and Shawcross, to rotate the squad and keep everyone on their toes. 3 changes after our best performance of the season seems a bit unlikely I would have thought. It will be same again I expect.
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Post by jezzascfc on Sept 17, 2018 14:18:48 GMT
We cannot endure major surgery to the team now, not after what was essentially our best performance of the season. Allen should be dropped for Bojan or Saido for these two home games - very few of us would disagree with that one. The defence is trickier, given the limited options to change things. Do we give Williams a game to rest Ryan's back from playing three games in a week? Do we bring back Bauer at right back and move Martina to centre back or left back? Could Erik even be tried at left centre back? I think when one of McClean or Clucas is fit to play left wing back, we could got for a back three, but that would need some serious training ground work to get right. For me, this midweek I'd bring Bojan, Bauer and Williams in for Allen, Pieters and Shawcross, to rotate the squad and keep everyone on their toes. 3 changes after our best performance of the season seems a bit unlikely I would have thought. It will be same again I expect. Three changes after drawing a game we should have won easily, but simply gave away, would be more than welcome, to my mind - especially in a three game week.
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Post by westgatelakes on Sept 17, 2018 14:21:12 GMT
I didn't go on Saturday but after hearing it was our best performance of the season (especially the first half hour apparently), we have simply got to start, injuries permitting, with the same eleven that started on Saturday.
To make changes just wouldn`t make any sense in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 14:32:24 GMT
Do we give Williams a game to rest Ryan's back from playing three games in a week? That choice will probably be Shawcross' - and he will put himself forward thinking he is doing the team a big favour. There is no other option for him. Heroic? No, stupid.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 17, 2018 14:56:33 GMT
3 changes after our best performance of the season seems a bit unlikely I would have thought. It will be same again I expect. Three changes after drawing a game we should have won easily, but simply gave away, would be more than welcome, to my mind - especially in a three game week. Given how shit we've been up to now, and for a long time, I don't envisage him changing anything other than BMI. His view will probably be, play like that every week and we'll win a lot more than we draw.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 15:22:50 GMT
play like that every week and we'll win a lot more than we draw. I think that's exactly what he said in his post match interview, we played very well on Saturday but there is still much room for improvement at the back. Personally I'd make a couple of changes with Berahino and Williams coming in for Allen and Shawcross, but I expect we will see the same team as Saturday tomorrow night.
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Post by kustokie on Sept 17, 2018 16:18:35 GMT
Woods and Etobe really did show Allan's frailties and then Allan himself showed how useless he is with his pathetic dead ball skills, another bag of wank he can add to his swagger of collective shitness. Rowett knows he is slowly getting a grip on his midfield and forwards with Allan the only (very) weak link. The defence however, needs tinkering with, I honestly believe we too focussed on a stagnate back 4 where a more mobile back 3 would be more affective. I'd be going a 3 4 1 2 Butland Martina Williams/Bruno Pieters Bauer Woods Etebo Ince Bojan Afobe Berehino Three of those four are not very mobile.
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Post by iglugluk on Sept 17, 2018 16:32:28 GMT
Allen seems to be one of those players that managers consider undroppable. It will be interesting to see what happens.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 17, 2018 20:09:41 GMT
play like that every week and we'll win a lot more than we draw. I think that's exactly what he said in his post match interview, we played very well on Saturday but there is still much room for improvement at the back. Personally I'd make a couple of changes with Berahino and Williams coming in for Allen and Shawcross, but I expect we will see the same team as Saturday tomorrow night. I would never dream of playing berahino ahead of bojan.
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Post by lordb on Sept 17, 2018 20:12:10 GMT
I think that's exactly what he said in his post match interview, we played very well on Saturday but there is still much room for improvement at the back. Personally I'd make a couple of changes with Berahino and Williams coming in for Allen and Shawcross, but I expect we will see the same team as Saturday tomorrow night. I would never dream of playing berahino ahead of bojan. If Afobe is ever out then Berahino looks hungry, I'd play him just ahead of Bojan providing Saido makes,erm...,good runs.
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Post by kustokie on Sept 17, 2018 20:39:59 GMT
I would never dream of playing berahino ahead of bojan. If Afobe is ever out then Berahino looks hungry, I'd play him just ahead of Bojan providing Saido makes,erm...,good runs. I’d like to see Berahino and Afobe up front. However, we cannot afford to play three at the back or less than five in midfield because our defense is so poor. This leaves only two options 4-3-3 (which is effectively 4-5-1) and 4-2-3-1.
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Post by superheroantonius on Sept 17, 2018 21:04:41 GMT
As soon as clucas is fit ...
Clucas ...left back Pieters ...centre back
Bmi bench
We get a better left back and a better centre back ...win win
Pieters is no Sergio Ramos but he is a lot quicker than shawcross and bmi
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 17, 2018 22:39:22 GMT
As soon as clucas is fit ... Clucas ...left back Pieters ...centre back Bmi bench We get a better left back and a better centre back ...win win Pieters is no Sergio Ramos but he is a lot quicker than shawcross and bmi That's the sort of shit Tony Pulis used to dream about. Crazy idea.
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Post by kustokie on Sept 17, 2018 22:49:51 GMT
As soon as clucas is fit ... Clucas ...left back Pieters ...centre back Bmi bench We get a better left back and a better centre back ...win win Pieters is no Sergio Ramos but he is a lot quicker than shawcross and bmi Pieters in the middle - no way. At least when he’s at FB he has the touch line to cover him.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 17, 2018 23:21:19 GMT
I don't think the starting line up needs changing after the Wednesday performance. Having said that, Allen has looked the weak link in our shoddy system (UP TO NOW!). I'd hazard a guess with Woods now in the roll we've needed since N'Zonzi left, that releases Joe to run around like a man possessed and do what he does best. Allen was one of our best performers for the last couple of years, a shaky start in a team that needs time to gel isn't going to mean he gets dropped. I genuinely think he'll flourish (for want of a better word) with Woods holding. On the other hand, Etebo looks absolutely immense and is in my opinion, undroppable. So dependent on which system Rowett wants to play, there's gonna be some serious competition when everyones fit. I must have missed this, he hasn't added anything to the team since he got here.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 17, 2018 23:30:09 GMT
play like that every week and we'll win a lot more than we draw. I think that's exactly what he said in his post match interview, we played very well on Saturday but there is still much room for improvement at the back. Personally I'd make a couple of changes with Berahino and Williams coming in for Allen and Shawcross, but I expect we will see the same team as Saturday tomorrow night. I don't think Shawcross was that bad in the last game, a better showing than in previous games at least, I think I'd leave him in see if he can get some decent for going, BMI on the other hand should be on the bench, not being able to deal with a straight high ball is school boy stuff, I think he's part of the problem.
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Post by NassauDave on Sept 18, 2018 1:06:18 GMT
To drop two big (very big) players. He'll get me back on side if he has. No he doesn’t. More worryingly are his substitutions which defy any kind of logic.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 7:56:05 GMT
I think that's exactly what he said in his post match interview, we played very well on Saturday but there is still much room for improvement at the back. Personally I'd make a couple of changes with Berahino and Williams coming in for Allen and Shawcross, but I expect we will see the same team as Saturday tomorrow night. I would never dream of playing berahino ahead of bojan. I'm a big fan of Bojan but I think Berahino will make more of an impact this season, Rowett doesn't seem confident enough to start with Bojan in the #10 role which is a shame, but provided Saido or Bojan start there I'm fine with either choice - I just don't want to see Allen or Etebo pushed into that role.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Sept 18, 2018 13:47:35 GMT
I didn't go on Saturday but after hearing it was our best performance of the season (especially the first half hour apparently), we have simply got to start, injuries permitting, with the same eleven that started on Saturday. To make changes just wouldn`t make any sense in my opinion. It's not for us to have a best performance of the season though is it really? Given what went before..... Allen deserves to be dropped, simple as that. Woods has come in and done the job Allen tries to in just 90 minutes. Etebo is playing well, the problem we have is linking them to the front men, a hole which a real number 10 should fill.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 22, 2018 22:42:13 GMT
If it gets to the point where he realises its either that or he loses his job (OK not an immediate issue) then surely he'd do it I'm guessing it'll be far too late by then ... Looks like he's going to drop them after all.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 22, 2018 22:44:14 GMT
I'm guessing it'll be far too late by then ... Looks like he's going to drop them after all. Fingers crossed Mark ...
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 22, 2018 22:48:34 GMT
Looks like he's going to drop them after all. Fingers crossed Mark ... It's pointless though isn't it as he has neglected to bring in anyone any better to replace them with.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 22, 2018 23:45:13 GMT
It's pointless though isn't it as he has neglected to bring in anyone any better to replace them with. In defence yes but he can easily replace Allen. Still bet he wont drop him though, despite what he's said about under performing players this evening.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 23, 2018 0:08:12 GMT
Things won't change all that much,we have a Eunuch for a manager.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 23, 2018 7:21:22 GMT
It's pointless though isn't it as he has neglected to bring in anyone any better to replace them with. In defence yes but he can easily replace Allen. Still bet he wont drop him though, despite what he's said about under performing players this evening. I was talking about the defence mainly. He's got an excuse now not to drop Allen by playing Etebo on the left which means he should start Berahino behind Afobe against Forest.
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