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Bojan
Aug 31, 2018 13:59:03 GMT
Post by tony1234 on Aug 31, 2018 13:59:03 GMT
Fantastic talent, but one imagines expensive. 15 league games/ season for the last few season and not managed 30 games in a season since 2011/12 - he is disproportionately expensive given his likely "reliability".
Ideal world, he'd stay, but our income will be a third of last year's in a couple of years, so wages need to reduce when we get the opportunity to do so (thanks the contract management shambles at the club): We've invested well about the norm for a relegated club this summer.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2018 14:19:17 GMT
With 46 games this season I think he will get plenty of time on the pitch if he stays, we will need his creativity. I appreciate we may need to cut the wage bill but there are many others I'd ship out before letting Bojan go.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2018 14:30:18 GMT
With 46 games this season I think he will get plenty of time on the pitch if he stays, we will need his creativity. I appreciate we may need to cut the wage bill but there are many others I'd ship out before letting Bojan go. I'm amazed at how many on here have just given up on him. We've literally only seen fits and starts of him, and each time he's looked like he's got the spark we have been lacking for ages. He's literally the only really exciting, watchable, attacking player we have at present. And Rowett doesn't seem to be able to find a place for him (as if it's some kind of 'given' that you can't be a decent side, and have a small, tricky forward, ffs) - whilst he finds a place for the Fletchers and Macleans of the world. I despair at times. This is one of them.
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Bojan
Aug 31, 2018 15:11:15 GMT
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 31, 2018 15:11:15 GMT
Does this mean we might have a last-ditch go for Powell? It would certainly make sense. I'd be more than happy with that. Powell would be much more suited for us than Bojan in that position.
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Bojan
Aug 31, 2018 15:20:47 GMT
Post by adamsson on Aug 31, 2018 15:20:47 GMT
It would certainly make sense. I'd be more than happy with that. Powell would be much more suited for us than Bojan in that position. you mean he's 6ft tall and runs around a lot to no effect
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Post by miggoscfc on Aug 31, 2018 15:22:13 GMT
Fuck you stoke. That is all.
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Bojan
Aug 31, 2018 15:24:31 GMT
Post by FullerMagic on Aug 31, 2018 15:24:31 GMT
Fuck you stoke. That is all. To be fair, it doesn't sound like it's going to happen. The chat has died down completely and the Sentinel seem to think the Choupo exit will be the the only remaining bit of business.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 31, 2018 15:28:13 GMT
I'd be more than happy with that. Powell would be much more suited for us than Bojan in that position. you mean he's 6ft tall and runs around a lot to no effect Nick Powell is an extremely talented footballer.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 31, 2018 15:34:29 GMT
I'd be more than happy with that. Powell would be much more suited for us than Bojan in that position. you mean he's 6ft tall and runs around a lot to no effect I've seen a lot of Powell and I can tell you that's absolute bollocks.
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Post by chigstoke on Aug 31, 2018 15:39:08 GMT
I'd be more than happy with that. Powell would be much more suited for us than Bojan in that position. you mean he's 6ft tall and runs around a lot to no effect 15 in 39 last season, already has 3 in 4 this season. 6ft Tall? Yes Runs around a lot with no effect? Evidently not.
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Bojan
Aug 31, 2018 15:40:00 GMT
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 31, 2018 15:40:00 GMT
The sun ain't gonna shine any more.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 31, 2018 15:42:23 GMT
I'd be more than happy with that. Powell would be much more suited for us than Bojan in that position. you mean he's 6ft tall and runs around a lot to no effect Powell is an excellent creative footballer at this level.
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Bojan
Aug 31, 2018 16:02:19 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2018 16:02:19 GMT
Get real! It's not as if Stoke or Alaves for that matter actually planned before the season to be fighting relegation.
But what you're saying is that we should keep a player who is only capable of playing if we're doing well because if we're not he can't fit into anyone's plans?
You really think we can afford the luxury of players like that, especially when we're now in a league where fighting for points and battling is even more important and a far more regular occurrence (even if we're high in the table) than it was in the Prem? If so, i'd suggest it's you that needs to get real mate
In that case we should never have bought Shaqiri, Arnautovic et al. Of course in your planning you aspire for bigger things if the season(s) before justify that, and that's why we bought those kinds of players that brought us forward. If however your ambitions are no higher than just to survive, then by all means, buy us eleven James McCleans.
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Bojan
Aug 31, 2018 16:02:38 GMT
Post by jimmygscfc on Aug 31, 2018 16:02:38 GMT
Why was Powell allowed to fester in League 1? A strange one...
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Bojan
Aug 31, 2018 16:04:03 GMT
Post by realstokebloke on Aug 31, 2018 16:04:03 GMT
you mean he's 6ft tall and runs around a lot to no effect Powell is an excellent creative footballer at this level. And was available, lives not a million miles away presumably and we probably have £5m down the back of the sofa (this year) ... so we should have, shouldn't we?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 31, 2018 16:05:33 GMT
Powell is an excellent creative footballer at this level. And was available, lives not a million miles away presumably and we probably have £5m down the back of the sofa (this year) ... so we should have, shouldn't we?
If we thought Bojan was off or Rowett doesn't fancy him, absolutely.
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Bojan
Aug 31, 2018 16:08:11 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2018 16:08:11 GMT
With 46 games this season I think he will get plenty of time on the pitch if he stays, we will need his creativity. I appreciate we may need to cut the wage bill but there are many others I'd ship out before letting Bojan go. I'm amazed at how many on here have just given up on him. We've literally only seen fits and starts of him, and each time he's looked like he's got the spark we have been lacking for ages. He's literally the only really exciting, watchable, attacking player we have at present. And Rowett doesn't seem to be able to find a place for him (as if it's some kind of 'given' that you can't be a decent side, and have a small, tricky forward, ffs) - whilst he finds a place for the Fletchers and Macleans of the world. I despair at times. This is one of them. It's not just "on here" that have given up on him. A succession of managers and coaches have also given up on him, with the latest, a choice between Rowett and Bojan, then it's not the manager who goes...at least not yet. I will however make this prediction. When everything has settled within a month or so and we are set in midtable monotony we, Rowett, everybody will look around the entire squad for a bit of creativity in the team - and he won't be able to find it.
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Bojan
Aug 31, 2018 16:16:06 GMT
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Aug 31, 2018 16:16:06 GMT
But what you're saying is that we should keep a player who is only capable of playing if we're doing well because if we're not he can't fit into anyone's plans?
You really think we can afford the luxury of players like that, especially when we're now in a league where fighting for points and battling is even more important and a far more regular occurrence (even if we're high in the table) than it was in the Prem? If so, i'd suggest it's you that needs to get real mate
In that case we should never have bought Shaqiri, Arnautovic et al. Of course in your planning you aspire for bigger things if the season(s) before justify that, and that's why we bought those kinds of players that brought us forward. If however your ambitions are no higher than just to survive, then by all means, buy us eleven James McCleans. But Arnie wasn't just a passenger in games when we weren't doing well. Your point about why Bojan didn't do well at Alaves was directly linking his ability to play well being wholly dependant upon where in the league we are.
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Bojan
Aug 31, 2018 16:20:35 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2018 16:20:35 GMT
In that case we should never have bought Shaqiri, Arnautovic et al. Of course in your planning you aspire for bigger things if the season(s) before justify that, and that's why we bought those kinds of players that brought us forward. If however your ambitions are no higher than just to survive, then by all means, buy us eleven James McCleans. But Arnie wasn't just a passenger in games when we weren't doing well. Your memory card needs a serious recharge...
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Bojan
Aug 31, 2018 16:20:41 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2018 16:20:41 GMT
In that case we should never have bought Shaqiri, Arnautovic et al. Of course in your planning you aspire for bigger things if the season(s) before justify that, and that's why we bought those kinds of players that brought us forward. If however your ambitions are no higher than just to survive, then by all means, buy us eleven James McCleans. But Arnie wasn't just a passenger in games when we weren't doing well. Your point about why Bojan didn't do well at Alaves was directly linking his ability to play well being wholly dependant upon where in the league we are. We should keep Bojan because he has the technical ability (and the professionalism, he's never been touted as a player who didn't try, work hard or love the club - even Charlie Adam, the leading professor of the 'he doesnt work hard the dirty foreigner' club, stated as much) to rip up a league like the Championship. There are 46 games at least, and we are in nowhere near a position where we have enough quality to let a player like that go. We weren't in the previous 2 seasons either, and I think it was a huge mistake. Alaves/Mainz has no bearing to me, because he had no runs of games at either club. And our performances were much better in the portions of both games where he was on the pitch.
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Bojan
Aug 31, 2018 16:24:04 GMT
Post by superheroantonius on Aug 31, 2018 16:24:04 GMT
I'm amazed at how many on here have just given up on him. We've literally only seen fits and starts of him, and each time he's looked like he's got the spark we have been lacking for ages. He's literally the only really exciting, watchable, attacking player we have at present. And Rowett doesn't seem to be able to find a place for him (as if it's some kind of 'given' that you can't be a decent side, and have a small, tricky forward, ffs) - whilst he finds a place for the Fletchers and Macleans of the world. I despair at times. This is one of them. It's not just "on here" that have given up on him. A succession of managers and coaches have also given up on him, with the latest, a choice between Rowett and Bojan, then it's not the manager who goes...at least not yet. I will however make this prediction. When everything has settled within a month or so and we are set in midtable monotony we, Rowett, everybody will look around the entire squad for a bit of creativity in the team - and he won't be able to find it. The problem with bojan is his mental and physical fitness , managers aren't doubting his ability , they are doubting whether he has had one serious injury too many ?? The lad has ability but he has had some horrendous injuries and he is not going to be smashing into 50 / 50 challenges like say for instance James McLean , on matchday . It's a shame , he was playing really well until his injury , but maybe he has just copped one injury too many ? Unfortunately, football being football , if he has a weakness , then that is the first thing the opposition will target . Johnny Eustace was a fantastic player for us , but when one injury too many left him struggling , even he had to be moved on .
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Bojan
Aug 31, 2018 16:29:18 GMT
Post by superheroantonius on Aug 31, 2018 16:29:18 GMT
Red star Belgrade would probably be a good move for bojan, football wise
As would say Celtic, in Scotland
They are probably going to boss a few games , giving bojan more chance to influence the game than in a mass of fiercely competive championship games , likely to be decided by a single goal, either way
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Bojan
Aug 31, 2018 16:29:40 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2018 16:29:40 GMT
It's not just "on here" that have given up on him. A succession of managers and coaches have also given up on him, with the latest, a choice between Rowett and Bojan, then it's not the manager who goes...at least not yet. I will however make this prediction. When everything has settled within a month or so and we are set in midtable monotony we, Rowett, everybody will look around the entire squad for a bit of creativity in the team - and he won't be able to find it. The problem with bojan is his mental and physical fitness , managers aren't doubting his ability , they are doubting whether he has had one serious injury too many ?? The lad has ability but he has had some horrendous injuries and he is not going to be smashing into 50 / 50 challenges like say for instance James McLean , on matchday . It's a shame , he was playing really well until his injury , but maybe he has just copped one injury too many ? Unfortunately, football being football , if he has a weakness , then that is the first thing the opposition will target . Johnny Eustace was a fantastic player for us , but when one injury too many left him struggling , even he had to be moved on . It's been proven several times that his contribution after his injury was extremely significant. He's been dropped from teams by a manager in Hughes who was fucking terrified of playing football after he lost a few games.
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Bojan
Aug 31, 2018 16:30:36 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2018 16:30:36 GMT
The Serbian window doesn't close until midnight, does that mean he can still sign or is the English window closed for outbound transfers also?
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Bojan
Aug 31, 2018 16:33:08 GMT
Post by kustokie on Aug 31, 2018 16:33:08 GMT
He’s a decent bloke that clearly loves to play football. You can’t blame him to be looking at other teams that will give him a chance to play more regularly.
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Post by jeycov on Aug 31, 2018 16:38:34 GMT
The Serbian window doesn't close until midnight, does that mean he can still sign or is the English window closed for outbound transfers also? 🤭
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Bojan
Aug 31, 2018 16:41:15 GMT
Post by FullerMagic on Aug 31, 2018 16:41:15 GMT
The Serbian window doesn't close until midnight, does that mean he can still sign or is the English window closed for outbound transfers also? Still theoretically open for outgoings, but it does seem like this one had died a death, doesn't it?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2018 16:42:34 GMT
The Serbian window doesn't close until midnight, does that mean he can still sign or is the English window closed for outbound transfers also? Still theoretically open for outgoings, but it does seem like this one had died a death, doesn't it? Just putting it out there mate, I know how people worry on here.....
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Bojan
Aug 31, 2018 16:43:01 GMT
Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Aug 31, 2018 16:43:01 GMT
It's not just "on here" that have given up on him. A succession of managers and coaches have also given up on him, with the latest, a choice between Rowett and Bojan, then it's not the manager who goes...at least not yet. I will however make this prediction. When everything has settled within a month or so and we are set in midtable monotony we, Rowett, everybody will look around the entire squad for a bit of creativity in the team - and he won't be able to find it. The problem with bojan is his mental and physical fitness , managers aren't doubting his ability , they are doubting whether he has had one serious injury too many ?? The lad has ability but he has had some horrendous injuries and he is not going to be smashing into 50 / 50 challenges like say for instance James McLean , on matchday . It's a shame , he was playing really well until his injury , but maybe he has just copped one injury too many ? Unfortunately, football being football , if he has a weakness , then that is the first thing the opposition will target . Johnny Eustace was a fantastic player for us , but when one injury too many left him struggling , even he had to be moved on . He's played well since his injury, just not world class, as he was before. He's never been the sort of player to smash into 50/50 challenges, so no difference there. Eustace isn't a great example, as he went on to have a great few seasons at Watford. Arguably, we moved him on too soon...but then would Whelan have gone on to do so well for us (or even signed)?
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Bojan
Aug 31, 2018 17:07:48 GMT
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 31, 2018 17:07:48 GMT
you mean he's 6ft tall and runs around a lot to no effect Powell is an excellent creative footballer at this level. Where and when would he play? Rowett is already going to shit himself tomorrow and drop berahino so he can keep Allen in the team and go 4-3-3. He wouldn't know what to do with Powell
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