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Bojan
Aug 31, 2018 10:28:55 GMT
Post by GoBoks on Aug 31, 2018 10:28:55 GMT
Erm, no he’s not. You can’t look at something someone did 3 years ago and use it as a measure of current performance. Based on that logic, Crouch should be playing for England. I'm not using something he did 3 years ago. He is the most natural finisher at this club and that is a fact. If he played 30 games he is a 1 in 3 man. No, he’s not. Ole Albrigtsen scored 4 goals in one half of one game. Does that make him a 240 goals per 30 games man?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 31, 2018 10:29:12 GMT
Sorry but that's absolute bollocks.... He could quite easily be. I just don't get the unwillingness to give him a run in the team and let him do his thing. There was no justification for him ever being dropped by Hughes. He was knackered after the 2015 Christmas period, had a stinker at West Brom as a result and we never saw him in the team again. We did though didn't we? And he just didn't take his opportunities. Nor did he at Alaves or Mainz. I like him and I'd personally give him a run in the team, but equally it's not clear exactly how good this version of Bojan is, and equally if he goes and we get a decent replacement it won't be the end of the world either.
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Bojan
Aug 31, 2018 10:32:31 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2018 10:32:31 GMT
Sorry but that's absolute bollocks.... He could quite easily be. I just don't get the unwillingness to give him a run in the team and let him do his thing. There was no justification for him ever being dropped by Hughes. He was knackered after the 2015 Christmas period, had a stinker at West Brom as a result and we never saw him in the team again. I like Bojan, but you're wearing rose tinted specs here. I think he could be an asset for us this season, but it works both ways and nothing he's said or in his body language suggests he wants to stay and fight for his place in the side either....
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Bojan
Aug 31, 2018 10:32:36 GMT
Post by rawli on Aug 31, 2018 10:32:36 GMT
Sorry he's going, love him as a player but we need to cut the wage bill.
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Bojan
Aug 31, 2018 10:33:41 GMT
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Aug 31, 2018 10:33:41 GMT
Nick Powell is a wanker as well.
I hate life.
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Bojan
Aug 31, 2018 10:35:39 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2018 10:35:39 GMT
Nick Powell would be an excellent signing but to be honest I can't see Bojan going out and Powell coming in today, if Bojan goes I don't think he will be replaced until January at the earliest.
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Post by ursemboys on Aug 31, 2018 10:36:10 GMT
A lot of fans just look at what they think the club are doing and not what the player has requested ,he asked to leave the last two loans and he has asked to go again this time ,any other player and there would be hell to play but for someone who has done nowt for 3 seasons he seems to have god like status on here
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Bojan
Aug 31, 2018 10:37:16 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2018 10:37:16 GMT
He could quite easily be. I just don't get the unwillingness to give him a run in the team and let him do his thing. There was no justification for him ever being dropped by Hughes. He was knackered after the 2015 Christmas period, had a stinker at West Brom as a result and we never saw him in the team again. We did though didn't we? And he just didn't take his opportunities. Nor did he at Alaves or Mainz. I like him and I'd personally give him a run in the team, but equally it's not clear exactly how good this version of Bojan is, and equally if he goes and we get a decent replacement it won't be the end of the world either. I cannot remember him starting more than two games on the bounce after that West Brom game. He started the first game away at Everton last season then was dropped for Jese. The loans were a waste of time but he wasn't that bad in Mainz. Never played for whatever reason in Alaves. I was obviously using hyperbole when I said he was the best in the league but there is absolutely no reason why he couldn't be. This isn't a criticism of Rowett because I do like him but are you telling me somebody like Lampard wouldn't love Bojan in his side at Derby? Given the chance he'd tear this league apart, people need to get over this pathetic myth about his injury.
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Bojan
Aug 31, 2018 10:40:15 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2018 10:40:15 GMT
He could quite easily be. I just don't get the unwillingness to give him a run in the team and let him do his thing. There was no justification for him ever being dropped by Hughes. He was knackered after the 2015 Christmas period, had a stinker at West Brom as a result and we never saw him in the team again. I like Bojan, but you're wearing rose tinted specs here. I think he could be an asset for us this season, but it works both ways and nothing he's said or in his body language suggests he wants to stay and fight for his place in the side either.... We've not seen him to say otherwise though, have we? He's come off the bench and always looked lively. Was our best player by a mile versus Brentford and worked hard, despite Rowett's comments. I don't think he should be the first name on the team sheet but this is a long season. Imagine we are lying around the play-off places around February time when a team usually goes on a blistering run of form in this league. That's when you need players like him and he is a confidence player.
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Bojan
Aug 31, 2018 10:40:47 GMT
Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 31, 2018 10:40:47 GMT
We did though didn't we? And he just didn't take his opportunities. Nor did he at Alaves or Mainz. I like him and I'd personally give him a run in the team, but equally it's not clear exactly how good this version of Bojan is, and equally if he goes and we get a decent replacement it won't be the end of the world either. I cannot remember him starting more than two games on the bounce after that West Brom game. He started the first game away at Everton last season then was dropped for Jese. The loans were a waste of time but he wasn't that bad in Mainz. Never played for whatever reason in Alaves. I was obviously using hyperbole when I said he was the best in the league but there is absolutely no reason why he couldn't be. This isn't a criticism of Rowett because I do like him but are you telling me somebody like Lampard wouldn't love Bojan in his side at Derby? Given the chance he'd tear this league apart, people need to get over this pathetic myth about his injury. It really isn't a myth though is it? When has he looked like the player who tore Spurs/Arsenal etc apart? Less than a handful of times, if we're being honest. It's more of a myth to say he never played again and that he was playing brilliantly and was unfathomably dropped, when that's not actually what happened. He wasn't pulling up any trees with Alaves even before his injury and their financial problems. 'Not that bad' at Mainz is hardly a rave review is it?
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Bojan
Aug 31, 2018 10:44:03 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2018 10:44:03 GMT
I cannot remember him starting more than two games on the bounce after that West Brom game. He started the first game away at Everton last season then was dropped for Jese. The loans were a waste of time but he wasn't that bad in Mainz. Never played for whatever reason in Alaves. I was obviously using hyperbole when I said he was the best in the league but there is absolutely no reason why he couldn't be. This isn't a criticism of Rowett because I do like him but are you telling me somebody like Lampard wouldn't love Bojan in his side at Derby? Given the chance he'd tear this league apart, people need to get over this pathetic myth about his injury. It really isn't a myth though is it? When has he looked like the player who tore Spurs/Arsenal etc apart? Less than a handful of times, if we're being honest. It's more of a myth to say he never played again and that he was playing brilliantly and was unfathomably dropped, when that's not actually what happened. He wasn't pulling up any trees with Alaves even before his injury and their financial problems. 'Not that bad' at Mainz is hardly a rave review is it? "Bojan returned from injury in July 2015 playing in a pre-season friendly against Brentford. He made his first league start for over eight months on 19 September 2015, scoring in a 2–2 draw against Leicester. A month later, he won a fourth-minute penalty when fouled by Swansea City's Ashley Williams, and dispatched it past Łukasz Fabiański for the only goal of the game at the Liberty Stadium. Bojan signed a new contract with Stoke in February committing him to the club until the summer of 2020. Towards the end of the campaign, however, he lost his place in the side, spending most of his time on the bench. In total, he played 31 times for Stoke in 2015–16, scoring seven goals as the Potters finished in ninth position." He was in pretty much exactly the same form as he was pre-injury. And a number of those 31 appearances will have been from the bench, I imagine. Anyway, this isn't the point is it really? Do you think Bojan is a huge asset in this league? And can we afford to let him go giving our unbalanced squad?
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Bojan
Aug 31, 2018 10:49:39 GMT
Post by mickmillslovechild on Aug 31, 2018 10:49:39 GMT
Sorry but that's absolute bollocks.... He could quite easily be. I just don't get the unwillingness to give him a run in the team and let him do his thing. There was no justification for him ever being dropped by Hughes. He was knackered after the 2015 Christmas period, had a stinker at West Brom as a result and we never saw him in the team again.
And then he's been at 2 clubs on loan since and they barely picked him either. Do you think it's now a worldwide conspiracy and managers everywhere are desperately trying to ruin his career for no apparent reason?
You just said yourself we never saw him again since 2015, so bearing in mind you said in your last post that you're NOT just basing your view on what he did a few years ago, why say that when you clearly are doing exactly that as no bugger's really seen him since then.
He WAS class for us for a period, not denying that but i'd go on the basis that Hughes didn't see fit to play him and a few other managers (at different clubs) haven't seen fit either. They're basing it on NOW not what he was a few years back
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Post by metalhead on Aug 31, 2018 10:50:23 GMT
This would be an utterly ludicrous move from Rowett. Bojan has looked very sharp in the few minutes he's played this season. He clearly has enough to offer the team. Keep him and actually fucking play him.
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Bojan
Aug 31, 2018 10:51:22 GMT
Post by ursemboys on Aug 31, 2018 10:51:22 GMT
It really isn't a myth though is it? When has he looked like the player who tore Spurs/Arsenal etc apart? Less than a handful of times, if we're being honest. It's more of a myth to say he never played again and that he was playing brilliantly and was unfathomably dropped, when that's not actually what happened. He wasn't pulling up any trees with Alaves even before his injury and their financial problems. 'Not that bad' at Mainz is hardly a rave review is it? "Bojan returned from injury in July 2015 playing in a pre-season friendly against Brentford. He made his first league start for over eight months on 19 September 2015, scoring in a 2–2 draw against Leicester. A month later, he won a fourth-minute penalty when fouled by Swansea City's Ashley Williams, and dispatched it past Łukasz Fabiański for the only goal of the game at the Liberty Stadium. Bojan signed a new contract with Stoke in February committing him to the club until the summer of 2020. Towards the end of the campaign, however, he lost his place in the side, spending most of his time on the bench. In total, he played 31 times for Stoke in 2015–16, scoring seven goals as the Potters finished in ninth position." He was in pretty much exactly the same form as he was pre-injury. And a number of those 31 appearances will have been from the bench, I imagine. Anyway, this isn't the point is it really? Do you think Bojan is a huge asset in this league? And can we afford to let him go giving our unbalanced squad? he has requested to go ,not the club
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Bojan
Aug 31, 2018 10:51:33 GMT
Post by metalhead on Aug 31, 2018 10:51:33 GMT
Dont see what all the fuss is about He’s done nothing for us or the two teams he was on loan at for the last two years He’s just not physical enough for the Championship A few little touches but nothing to warrant a place in the team You all need to take off those rose tinted glasses Right and you know that from the 10 odd minutes or something pathetic that he has played? I'll say one thing. He looks a damned hell sharper than he has for 2 or 3 seasons. He's come on and looked up for it and is clearly a skill level above the rest. Whether he is physical enough, we haven't a fucking clue because he's not been given a chance!!
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Bojan
Aug 31, 2018 10:51:57 GMT
Post by Pretty Little Boother on Aug 31, 2018 10:51:57 GMT
Come on guys it’s Crvena Zvezda these days..... I hate it when they do that, like when all of a sudden it became "Siska" instead of "CSKA" and everyone started saying Pavel "Nyedved".
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Bojan
Aug 31, 2018 10:54:02 GMT
Post by 3putts on Aug 31, 2018 10:54:02 GMT
If we let our only real creative number 10 go we're maniacs. Then again, we've done it for the last 2 seasons... just what has he created in the last couple of years? sadly I doubt he will ever be the player he once was I wish him well but time to let him go
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Bojan
Aug 31, 2018 10:56:44 GMT
Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 31, 2018 10:56:44 GMT
It really isn't a myth though is it? When has he looked like the player who tore Spurs/Arsenal etc apart? Less than a handful of times, if we're being honest. It's more of a myth to say he never played again and that he was playing brilliantly and was unfathomably dropped, when that's not actually what happened. He wasn't pulling up any trees with Alaves even before his injury and their financial problems. 'Not that bad' at Mainz is hardly a rave review is it? "Bojan returned from injury in July 2015 playing in a pre-season friendly against Brentford. He made his first league start for over eight months on 19 September 2015, scoring in a 2–2 draw against Leicester. A month later, he won a fourth-minute penalty when fouled by Swansea City's Ashley Williams, and dispatched it past Łukasz Fabiański for the only goal of the game at the Liberty Stadium. Bojan signed a new contract with Stoke in February committing him to the club until the summer of 2020. Towards the end of the campaign, however, he lost his place in the side, spending most of his time on the bench. In total, he played 31 times for Stoke in 2015–16, scoring seven goals as the Potters finished in ninth position." He was in pretty much exactly the same form as he was pre-injury. And a number of those 31 appearances will have been from the bench, I imagine. Anyway, this isn't the point is it really? Do you think Bojan is a huge asset in this league? And can we afford to let him go giving our unbalanced squad? That doesn't tell the full story though does it? Scoring isn't the same as 'in the same form as'. He was electric in that run of form pre-injury and looked destined to be one of the best players in the whole league. He never resembled that player save for maybe 2-3 games after his return when he was the false none. He lost his place in the side and we went on our lone good run of that half season, so it was hard to make a case for him at the time. He had a fair few chances the following year against some ropey opposition and was completely anonymous, and likewise did nothing on loan. Twice. I don't know if he can be a 'huge' asset in this league but I think he can be an asset and I'd start him as a number 10. If he wants to play more football and play European football though it's going to be a tough sell to ask him to stay and be a squad player. "Hi, Boj, I know you had your heart set on playing at the Parc Des Princes, but we need you for the bench at Rotherham."
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Post by nott1 on Aug 31, 2018 11:00:59 GMT
To Stoke City.........if this happens you are bastards of the lowest order! Fuck Off!
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Bojan
Aug 31, 2018 11:03:58 GMT
Post by silverdollar on Aug 31, 2018 11:03:58 GMT
If we let our only real creative number 10 go we're maniacs. Then again, we've done it for the last 2 seasons... I was huge admirer of Bojan when he initially came to Stoke but since then he has failed to show any reason why he should ever be able to show the promise to establish himself as a regular in a top of the Championship team. He has always lacked the physical attributes to cope and would be better off leaving!
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Aug 31, 2018 11:13:09 GMT
He gets judged so harshly by his own insane standards. "Well he's never regained his absolute top form for us", what the fuck? His run of insane form where he should have been at a top, top Champions League club? You're judging him for being only 60-75% of that player, when that is still better than pretty much anyone currently at the club is capable of.
He has simply not been afforded the opportunities that others have. Great form, one bad game, dropped, loaned out, not trusted, dropped, come back, ignored, loaned out again, come back, good cameos but never given the luxury of a couple of starts unlike, say, Saido (with his previously shite attitude and even worse form), looks like he's being loaned out again.
If Bojan had never been so glitteringly amazing in that first run for us, if you'd never seen him at his absolute best, if you only ever saw him post-injury, you'd still be spunking yourselves over him. Just been spoilt. He needed a run of starts, he's been denied a run of starts, it was shit from Hughes and it's shit from Rowett.
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Post by redwhite on Aug 31, 2018 11:17:36 GMT
Should be the first name on our team sheet.
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Bojan
Aug 31, 2018 11:19:22 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2018 11:19:22 GMT
"Bojan returned from injury in July 2015 playing in a pre-season friendly against Brentford. He made his first league start for over eight months on 19 September 2015, scoring in a 2–2 draw against Leicester. A month later, he won a fourth-minute penalty when fouled by Swansea City's Ashley Williams, and dispatched it past Łukasz Fabiański for the only goal of the game at the Liberty Stadium. Bojan signed a new contract with Stoke in February committing him to the club until the summer of 2020. Towards the end of the campaign, however, he lost his place in the side, spending most of his time on the bench. In total, he played 31 times for Stoke in 2015–16, scoring seven goals as the Potters finished in ninth position." He was in pretty much exactly the same form as he was pre-injury. And a number of those 31 appearances will have been from the bench, I imagine. Anyway, this isn't the point is it really? Do you think Bojan is a huge asset in this league? And can we afford to let him go giving our unbalanced squad? That doesn't tell the full story though does it? Scoring isn't the same as 'in the same form as'. He was electric in that run of form pre-injury and looked destined to be one of the best players in the whole league. He never resembled that player save for maybe 2-3 games after his return when he was the false none. He lost his place in the side and we went on our lone good run of that half season, so it was hard to make a case for him at the time. He had a fair few chances the following year against some ropey opposition and was completely anonymous, and likewise did nothing on loan. Twice. I don't know if he can be a 'huge' asset in this league but I think he can be an asset and I'd start him as a number 10. If he wants to play more football and play European football though it's going to be a tough sell to ask him to stay and be a squad player. "Hi, Boj, I know you had your heart set on playing at the Parc Des Princes, but we need you for the bench at Rotherham." He was a great player in that period and I said before, it was unusual how we never saw him again after the West Brom where the whole team was poor. As I remember, we never really played well again after that? Apart from Watford away? I don't think he is that bothered about where he plays, as long as he is playing. He likes this club a lot and think he'd be more than happy to play a part if he wasn't getting subbed on the to right wing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2018 11:20:23 GMT
He gets judged so harshly by his own insane standards. "Well he's never regained his absolute top form for us", what the fuck? His run of insane form where he should have been at a top, top Champions League club? You're judging him for being only 60-75% of that player, when that is still better than pretty much anyone currently at the club is capable of. He has simply not been afforded the opportunities that others have. Great form, one bad game, dropped, loaned out, not trusted, dropped, come back, ignored, loaned out again, come back, good cameos but never given the luxury of a couple of starts unlike, say, Saido (with his previously shite attitude and even worse form), looks like he's being loaned out again.If Bojan had never been so glitteringly amazing in that first run for us, if you'd never seen him at his absolute best, if you only ever saw him post-injury, you'd still be spunking yourselves over him. Just been spoilt. He needed a run of starts, he's been denied a run of starts, it was shit from Hughes and it's shit from Rowett. Nail and head.
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Bojan
Aug 31, 2018 11:21:05 GMT
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Post by chayseeoatcake on Aug 31, 2018 11:21:05 GMT
Should be the first name on our team sheet. In the squad for WBA
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Post by redwhite on Aug 31, 2018 11:22:50 GMT
In a team that didn’t have much skill to begin with, we have, if this goes through, lost Shaqiri, Ireland, Choupo, Ramadan and Bojan all at once.
Tells you all you need to know about Rowett and the wank hoofball he believes in.
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Bojan
Aug 31, 2018 11:25:18 GMT
Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 31, 2018 11:25:18 GMT
That doesn't tell the full story though does it? Scoring isn't the same as 'in the same form as'. He was electric in that run of form pre-injury and looked destined to be one of the best players in the whole league. He never resembled that player save for maybe 2-3 games after his return when he was the false none. He lost his place in the side and we went on our lone good run of that half season, so it was hard to make a case for him at the time. He had a fair few chances the following year against some ropey opposition and was completely anonymous, and likewise did nothing on loan. Twice. I don't know if he can be a 'huge' asset in this league but I think he can be an asset and I'd start him as a number 10. If he wants to play more football and play European football though it's going to be a tough sell to ask him to stay and be a squad player. "Hi, Boj, I know you had your heart set on playing at the Parc Des Princes, but we need you for the bench at Rotherham." He was a great player in that period and I said before, it was unusual how we never saw him again after the West Brom where the whole team was poor. As I remember, we never really played well again after that? Apart from Watford away? I don't think he is that bothered about where he plays, as long as he is playing. He likes this club a lot and think he'd be more than happy to play a part if he wasn't getting subbed on the to right wing. He wouldn't be guaranteed a game though would he? And I still think he'd find it hard to turn down Champions League football in his dad's homeland. All this - 'the whole team was rubbish then' stuff - you still have players that stand out in a bad team and he just wasn't one of them.
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Post by rosco on Aug 31, 2018 11:35:45 GMT
The frustrating thing is I don't think Bojan's has been given a fair run in the team for years now for whatever reason. I think he'd make a massive impact in this league. Unlike others if he has a poor game you don't see him for another 6 weeks.
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Bojan
Aug 31, 2018 11:46:46 GMT
Post by stokeramblers on Aug 31, 2018 11:46:46 GMT
Big mistake here from Rowett. Not because of losing Bojan the player but he’ll be losing a large chunk of the fans who follow the cult of Bojan. I think Powell would be a better fit but he’s never been dead good on Fifa or on the bench at big European super clubs.
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Bojan
Aug 31, 2018 11:47:23 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2018 11:47:23 GMT
He was a great player in that period and I said before, it was unusual how we never saw him again after the West Brom where the whole team was poor. As I remember, we never really played well again after that? Apart from Watford away? I don't think he is that bothered about where he plays, as long as he is playing. He likes this club a lot and think he'd be more than happy to play a part if he wasn't getting subbed on the to right wing. He wouldn't be guaranteed a game though would he? And I still think he'd find it hard to turn down Champions League football in his dad's homeland. All this - 'the whole team was rubbish then' stuff - you still have players that stand out in a bad team and he just wasn't one of them. He never played a run of games after that West Brom game though! That is the point me and others have made.
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