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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 26, 2018 10:03:17 GMT
You sat down when you realised it was McClean? Yes. I have morals. So does McClean. And his charity work is admirable. I think what you mean is that you have adopted an opinion of McClean based on a view of his politics. Which is fine - but that doesn't turn you into St Francis of Assisi.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 26, 2018 10:09:44 GMT
So does McClean. And his charity work is admirable. I think what you mean is that you have adopted an opinion of McClean based on a view of his politics. Which is fine - but that doesn't turn you into St Francis of Assisi. Charity work is always an amusing defence. Lots of horrible people do lots of charity work.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2018 10:14:10 GMT
So does McClean. And his charity work is admirable. I think what you mean is that you have adopted an opinion of McClean based on a view of his politics. Which is fine - but that doesn't turn you into St Francis of Assisi. Charity work is always an amusing defence. Lots of horrible people do lots of charity work. Do they? I've never seen Ian Huntley walking up Mount Kilimanjaro to raise money for Cancer research. Or Michael Ryan riding from John O'Groats to Lands End on a skateboard for the NSPCC.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 26, 2018 10:16:03 GMT
Charity work is always an amusing defence. Lots of horrible people do lots of charity work. Do they? I've never seen Ian Huntley walking up Mount Kilimanjaro to raise money for Cancer research. Or Michael Ryan riding from John O'Groats to Lands End on a skateboard for the NSPCC. Yes of course they do.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2018 10:20:15 GMT
Do they? I've never seen Ian Huntley walking up Mount Kilimanjaro to raise money for Cancer research. Or Michael Ryan riding from John O'Groats to Lands End on a skateboard for the NSPCC. Yes of course they do. Give me some examples then because I'm genuinely interested to see your interpretation of a "horrible person" so I can compare it with mine.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 26, 2018 10:21:23 GMT
Give me some examples then because I'm genuinely interested to see your interpretation of a "horrible person" so I can compare it with mine. Now then, now then, have a think.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 26, 2018 10:25:48 GMT
Give me some examples then because I'm genuinely interested to see your interpretation of a "horrible person" so I can compare it with mine. Now then, now then, have a think. Anymore examples? That ONE is obvious.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 26, 2018 10:27:37 GMT
Now then, now then, have a think. Anymore examples? That ONE is obvious. The Trump family. The McCanns founded one!
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 26, 2018 10:31:59 GMT
Anymore examples? That ONE is obvious. The Trump family. The McCanns founded one! You win with the McCann's, they should be in prison.
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Aug 26, 2018 10:45:53 GMT
Anymore examples? That ONE is obvious. The Trump family. The McCanns founded one! How are the Trump family horrible people?
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 26, 2018 10:52:58 GMT
I must admit he has looked completely hopless in our four first games, but yesterday was a "million" times better. Credit when credit is due! Still not sure he is the answer, but if he can perform at yesterday's level I'll keep my mouth shut about him (no more criticism)!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2018 10:53:17 GMT
Give me some examples then because I'm genuinely interested to see your interpretation of a "horrible person" so I can compare it with mine. Now then, now then, have a think. Ha ha fair enough I'll give you that one
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2018 10:55:07 GMT
So does McClean. And his charity work is admirable. I think what you mean is that you have adopted an opinion of McClean based on a view of his politics. Which is fine - but that doesn't turn you into St Francis of Assisi. Charity work is always an amusing defence. Lots of horrible people do lots of charity work. So what makes him 'horrible'?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 26, 2018 10:55:40 GMT
Charity work is always an amusing defence. Lots of horrible people do lots of charity work. So what makes him 'horrible'? It’s been done to death.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2018 10:56:52 GMT
So what makes him 'horrible'? It’s been done to death. Has it? I always thought it was down to him not wearing a poppy, not sure what else
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 26, 2018 10:58:06 GMT
Has it? I always thought it was down to him not wearing a poppy, not sure what else Ah you have missed it then. Go over the other 73893 threads and find my reasoning.
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Post by Veritas on Aug 26, 2018 11:00:05 GMT
The Trump family. The McCanns founded one! You win with the McCann's, they should be in prison. Out of order, this vile slander should be binned.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 26, 2018 11:07:43 GMT
You win with the McCann's, they should be in prison. Out of order, this vile slander should be binned. It's an opinion which many people agree with, you only have to look at the general discussion board to realise that. I have no problem with my post being deleted by admin but I'm not going to do it.
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Aug 26, 2018 11:25:02 GMT
Berated him since Wednesday for being wank. He wasn't wank today, well done McLean. Score a goal like Walters against Chelsea and I might warm to you. Sadly all I remember about Walters vs Chelsea was a couple of own goals and a missed penalty. That's like saying all you remember about Ricardo fuller is him slapping Andy Griffin.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Aug 26, 2018 11:32:55 GMT
Sadly all I remember about Walters vs Chelsea was a couple of own goals and a missed penalty. That's like saying all you remember about Ricardo fuller is him slapping Andy Griffin. Slapping griffin and the goal against Villa.........
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Post by tony1234 on Aug 26, 2018 12:34:15 GMT
Charity work is always an amusing defence. Lots of horrible people do lots of charity work. Do they? I've never seen Ian Huntley walking up Mount Kilimanjaro to raise money for Cancer research. Or Michael Ryan riding from John O'Groats to Lands End on a skateboard for the NSPCC. Jimmy Saville had a couple of skeletons in his closet. (And not to mention the routine activities down the years in many organisations that promote their do-goodyness - from Oxfam to the BBC) Good artile here entiled (appropriately enough) "Why is it that some many sexual predators work for charities" www.tomwinnifrith.com/articles/12841/why-is-it-that-so-many-perverts-and-sexual-predators-work-for-charities
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 26, 2018 13:21:14 GMT
Give me some examples then because I'm genuinely interested to see your interpretation of a "horrible person" so I can compare it with mine. Now then, now then, have a think. Which sort of indicates your confusion. Not wearing a poppy and supporting the republican cause are political matters. Child abuse is most definitely a moral issue. The fact you confuse them speaks volumes and makes your decision not to applaud McClean for "moral" reasons look ridiculous.
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Post by fca47 on Aug 26, 2018 13:28:21 GMT
Rather have him than ince if we are playing one winger, gets it over, rather than showboating, trying to beat half a dozen men. Contrary to what people were saying his crossing was decent.
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Post by lordherefordsknob on Aug 26, 2018 13:29:27 GMT
The only thing you can fault McClean with yesterday was his goal celebration.
He should of run the length if the pitch then dived into the Boothen end. Instead of running to wave to family/friends in the top tier.
Other than that couldn't fault him.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 26, 2018 13:31:29 GMT
Now then, now then, have a think. Which sort of indicates your confusion. Not wearing a poppy and supporting the republican cause are political matters. Child abuse is most definitely a moral issue. The fact you confuse them speaks volumes and makes your decision not to applaud McClean for "moral" reasons look ridiculous. I haven’t done anything of the sort. You mentioned charity. I just pointed out why I find it amusing to use in defence of someone.
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Post by stiggerstackle on Aug 26, 2018 13:31:55 GMT
We are all entitled to our politics - Maclean included.
Did he have a good game? -yes Does a good game for Stoke have anything to do with his politics? - no
Give it a rest FFS
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Aug 26, 2018 15:33:12 GMT
Up to half time he was my MotM. Looked fitter and sharper, now he needs to do it every game.
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Post by roylandstoke on Aug 26, 2018 17:36:25 GMT
His best game by miles. First game where he has actually looked like a professional footballer to be truthful.
Kept the shot for the goal down well and put in some decent crosses, including a few on his right foot, which was a surprise.
Wasn't really required defensively as Hull were so poor in possession.
He will need to continue to improve if he is going to keep his place in the team when everyone else (eg. Ince, Woods) is fit and in form.
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Post by metalhead on Aug 26, 2018 17:47:05 GMT
I thought he was absolutely superb yesterday and a distant MOTM..... which made it more surprising to hear that they gave it to Etebo???
Now there's something quite endearing about yesterdays performance. He's had a torrid start to his Stoke career all culminating in that shit show on Wednesday and an old manager telling him to sort his head out or risk losing his career. He could have hidden or had a 'niggly' hamstring in training Friday. Instead, he pulled his socks up and came out desperate to improve and he definitely did.
He needs to maintain it though. That's not the end, that's the start. If we don't see another performance like that for 5 games, then it's all for nothing. It'll be a massive confidence boost for him though and hopefully we will see another good performance next week.... He's going to get 90 mins of abuse next week so we need him to come out fighting again, like he did yesterday.
Go'arn lad.
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 26, 2018 17:48:38 GMT
The only thing you can fault McClean with yesterday was his goal celebration. He should of run the length if the pitch then dived into the Boothen end. Instead of running to wave to family/friends in the top tier. Other than that couldn't fault him. Yeah, fancy putting friends and family before some ‘supporters’ who didn’t want him and now refuse to celebrate his goals.....
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