Sick of the negativity

[senojbor]

Hands up I didn't see the game or even highlights yet because I've been away. However it seems that every disappointing result is greeted with near hysteria and outrageously radical comments. Trying to read anything worthwhile and positive is pointless. It's the same old, with the same old charlatans spouting negativity at every opportunity.
The club have got a new manager and whole crop of new players that are going to need time to gel. We also are the team that everyone wants to shoot down.
The geordies lost their first two games at the start of the last season yet walked it by the end.
Ffs give them some time.

[Bojan Mackey]

The difference is, Newcastle had a plan and stuck to it.


We look so far away from an organised, balanced, fit side it’s frightening, the fact is we look even worse as it stands than we did in the Premiership, there’s been absolutely nothing so far to suggest that we’re in nothing else other than complete freefall, we won’t do a Sunderland, that’s too far, but we can forget any plans of promotion if this shit persists.

[canadianmoose]

Indeed. But a bare minimum is being able to run and fight for 90 minutes. We looked so hopelessly outclassed in terms of physical and metal speed yesterday that Brentford looked like a premier league team.

I don’t mind a draw or loss if we have at least competed well. We didn’t. Not even remotely.

[towraytek]

I'm with you Rob. Yesterday was not good to watch but my feeling is that Gary Rowett plays for a long game whereby slowly slowly pieces fall into place (as it did,to an extent, in the last 15 minutes of the first half). When he spoke about the game yesterday he described exactly what we all saw, which, in itself, is encouraging. I think he'll continue to take a careful look at what he's got and bridge the gaps accordingly. The calls for his head at this stage are just puerile nonsense and should get the contempt they deserve.

That said, he does need to put a smile back on our faces pretty soon. I cant remember the last time I left a ground after watching stoke feeling elated. That needs to change.

Ek

[Deleted]

I'll hold my hand up. I can't really understand it but I'm very negative about us right now. I'm not normally a negative person at all but I've been like this about Stoke for nearly 18 months or so. To be honest, it's p*****g me off.

I like Rowett as a bloke but am very suspicious about his football. I watched a similar style under Pulis and I just don't want to go back there. I don't see the need to either. That's just my personal opinion and respect others that don't mind it or even enjoy it.

The owners I'm deeply annoyed with. They stood by a failing manager, which to be fair is a positive trait in this trigger happy world, but then replaced him with an incredibly poor manager. Why?
What was the point of it or need for it?

At the end of last season they chose, under no pressure, to release the now infamous statement about overhauls, regaining the balance in the side/club etc.

When you promise that you have to deliver it. If you don't, and I genuinely believe we haven't, then you create a bad feeling. That's just human nature. People don't like to be perceived to be taken for a ride.

Supporters get a bad rep amongst professional football people and to some degree, it's deserved. Fans generally aren't stupid and whilst they have no knowledge of inner workings of clubs they have a very finely tuned 6th sense to things that are either going wrong or about to.

I sense a lot of fear amongst the support and a whole load of frustration. It's a bad mix that will only get worse before it turns for the better.

[stokemark]

Aug 12, 2018 12:05:31 GMT senojbor said:

Hands up I didn't see the game or even highlights yet because I've been away. However it seems that every disappointing result is greeted with near hysteria and outrageously radical comments. Trying to read anything worthwhile and positive is pointless. It's the same old, with the same old charlatans spouting negativity at every opportunity.
The club have got a new manager and whole crop of new players that are going to need time to gel. We also are the team that everyone wants to shoot down.
The geordies lost their first two games at the start of the last season yet walked it by the end.
Ffs give them some time.

Suggest you watch it then before criticising others for their opinions

[wuzza]

Aug 12, 2018 12:05:31 GMT senojbor said:

Hands up I didn't see the game or even highlights yet because I've been away. However it seems that every disappointing result is greeted with near hysteria and outrageously radical comments. Trying to read anything worthwhile and positive is pointless. It's the same old, with the same old charlatans spouting negativity at every opportunity.
The club have got a new manager and whole crop of new players that are going to need time to gel. We also are the team that everyone wants to shoot down.
The geordies lost their first two games at the start of the last season yet walked it by the end.
Ffs give them some time.

Results - no that’s not the concern.
Stinking lousy performances - they are very worrying.

[ursemboys]

Aug 12, 2018 12:05:31 GMT senojbor said:

Hands up I didn't see the game or even highlights yet because I've been away. However it seems that every disappointing result is greeted with near hysteria and outrageously radical comments. Trying to read anything worthwhile and positive is pointless. It's the same old, with the same old charlatans spouting negativity at every opportunity.
The club have got a new manager and whole crop of new players that are going to need time to gel. We also are the team that everyone wants to shoot down.
The geordies lost their first two games at the start of the last season yet walked it by the end.
Ffs give them some time.

Totally agree mate ,there are a few who just like to moan , I even read that some want the manger gone, a fair few wanted some players gone and now after two games they want them back ,just read a comment we missed the boat with Moyes and Sam ffs sake don't they read the papers they turned us down ,I swear to god a fair few on here are only kids who aint got a clue ,wonder where the missing 4 + thousand where yesterday ? perhaps defected to Wolves.

Stoke fans my arse

[senojbor]

Aug 12, 2018 12:19:03 GMT theonlooker said:

I'll hold my hand up. I can't really understand it but I'm very negative about us right now. I'm not normally a negative person at all but I've been like this about Stoke for nearly 18 months or so. To be honest, it's p*****g me off.

I like Rowett as a bloke but am very suspicious about his football. I watched a similar style under Pulis and I just don't want to go back there. I don't see the need to either. That's just my personal opinion and respect others that don't mind it or even enjoy it.

The owners I'm deeply annoyed with. They stood by a failing manager, which to be fair is a positive trait in this trigger happy world, but then replaced him with an incredibly poor manager. Why?
What was the point of it or need for it?

At the end of last season they chose, under no pressure, to release the now infamous statement about overhauls, regaining the balance in the side/club etc.

When you promise that you have to deliver it. If you don't, and I genuinely believe we haven't, then you create a bad feeling. That's just human nature. People don't like to be perceived to be taken for a ride.

Supporters get a bad rep amongst professional football people and to some degree, it's deserved. Fans generally aren't stupid and whilst they have no knowledge of inner workings of clubs they have a very finely tuned 6th sense to things that are either going wrong or about to.

I sense a lot of fear amongst the support and a whole load of frustration. It's a bad mix that will only get worse before it turns for the better.

I understand your frustrations mate, I just feel it's going to take more than a couple of early season games. I'm sure the manager is seeing what everyone else is seeing and try and put it right.

[firfuxache]

Watch both the matches we’ve played and then come back to your questions/arguments and see the general consensus on here is justified. I think you might change your view. We looked devoid of any sort of fight or leadership so far and that’s no disrespect to Leeds or Brentford. Both our opposition teams have looked very good and I’d be surprised if Leeds aren’t Champions come May if they can retain the high tempo game they’re playing too.

At the moment I can’tsee us getting in the top half of the Championship never mind promotion places. Alarm bells are ringing, very loudly but all concerned seem to have their fingers in their ears.

[sheikhmomo]

Aug 12, 2018 12:05:31 GMT senojbor said:

Hands up I didn't see the game or even highlights yet because I've been away. However it seems that every disappointing result is greeted with near hysteria and outrageously radical comments. Trying to read anything worthwhile and positive is pointless. It's the same old, with the same old charlatans spouting negativity at every opportunity.
The club have got a new manager and whole crop of new players that are going to need time to gel. We also are the team that everyone wants to shoot down.
The geordies lost their first two games at the start of the last season yet walked it by the end.
Ffs give them some time.

If you'd seen it you'd have struggled with any positivity mate. It was dire. Bojan was OK in bits, Williams looked pretty decent but the brutal fact is that we're still unfit, still disorganised and were absolutely battered by a Brentford team made up largely of kids. The players were outplayed and the manager was out-managed.

It really is exceptionally difficult to see where the next win is coming from and I'm deadly serious about that.

[jontimmis]

Aug 12, 2018 12:05:31 GMT senojbor said:

Hands up I didn't see the game or even highlights yet because I've been away. However it seems that every disappointing result is greeted with near hysteria and outrageously radical comments. Trying to read anything worthwhile and positive is pointless. It's the same old, with the same old charlatans spouting negativity at every opportunity.
The club have got a new manager and whole crop of new players that are going to need time to gel. We also are the team that everyone wants to shoot down.
The geordies lost their first two games at the start of the last season yet walked it by the end.
Ffs give them some time.

Watch the highlights from yesterday...., so many basic errors and comment back 👍🏽

[FullerMagic]

I came into the season relatively confident. I thought the play-offs were virtually a given.

But, Jesus Christ, these first 2 games have knocked me sideways.

Leeds was disappointing, but to see us so comprehensively outplayed by a team with maybe 30% of our budget yesterday really made me question everything about the likely course of our season, certainly without some radical surgery in the next 3 weeks.

I can't really see how anyone could sit through yesterday and not shit themselves about the coming season - our one true shot to use our financial muscle to get back up.

[scfc75]

Aug 12, 2018 12:29:21 GMT FullerMagic said:

I came into the season relatively confident. I thought the play-offs were virtually a given.

But, Jesus Christ, these first 2 games have knocked me sideways.

Leeds was disappointing, but to see us so comprehensively outplayed by a team with maybe 30% of our budget yesterday really made me question everything about the likely course of our season, certainly without some radical surgery in the next 3 weeks.

I can't really see how anyone could sit through yesterday and not shit themselves about the coming season - our one true shot to use our financial muscle to get back up.

I actually thought we looked better after the goal, even though it was a gift. It was as though being in front gave the players some confidence and they started to believe in themselves a bit more. Half time then broke that up and we reverted to type for the rest of the game.

I definitely believe that it's psychological and even the new guys are suffering from it by osmosis. Going to take a hell of a lot of man management and coaching to turn it around. It's not just a tactical thing.

[GRUMPY 1]

I saw nothing yesterday that improved on the last two seasons.

wtf do we think we are playing at? we cant even play football.

[Mr_DaftBurger]

Aug 12, 2018 12:18:38 GMT canadianmoose said:

Indeed. But a bare minimum is being able to run and fight for 90 minutes. We looked so hopelessly outclassed in terms of physical and metal speed yesterday that Brentford looked like a premier league team.

I don’t mind a draw or loss if we have at least competed well. We didn’t. Not even remotely.

[19notbeaten72]

We looked unfit & completely out of our depth against Leeds & now we have been outplayed by a young hungry team that had a game plan & stuck to it. This is not a negative statement but you can only comment on what is put before you & from what we have seen so far we have got worse than how we finished last season.

[ravey123]

Aug 12, 2018 12:29:21 GMT FullerMagic said:

I came into the season relatively confident. I thought the play-offs were virtually a given.

But, Jesus Christ, these first 2 games have knocked me sideways.

Leeds was disappointing, but to see us so comprehensively outplayed by a team with maybe 30% of our budget yesterday really made me question everything about the likely course of our season, certainly without some radical surgery in the next 3 weeks.

I can't really see how anyone could sit through yesterday and not shit themselves about the coming season - our one true shot to use our financial muscle to get back up.

30%of our budget - more like 10% to 15% of our budget - its that embarassing

[redrob]

Some on another thread used a cooking analogy so lets follow that through..... Your favorite restaurant has for 10 years operated a top class menu ok not always with great success and a bit hit and miss in quality but still a decent meal. Then following a steady decline caused in part by terrible decision making and leadership you have a meal which is so bad it makes you sick its just awful. In response the restaurant is downgraded but says ok we admit things went totally wrong but we've got a new chef hes young up and coming knows this scene like the back of his hand the kicker is we are going to change you the same price and the chef will still have to use most of last years ingredients but why not give us a try. So you do and meal is even worse than before and shows no signs of getting better you feel totally justified at complaining to the management and venting your frustration

[fca47]

Let's all sit round the camp fire and sing a happy tune. Everything is fine, we've got a new manager that hasn't been given a shed load of money to bring in half a dozen players and hasn't been able to keep most of his stars, and hasn't had all Summer to get ready for the season.Unlike the Brentford manager who has all those big stars in his side and still manages to play shit football

[xchpotter]

Ahh....the old negative v positive debate. I’m neither and consider myself to be more of a realist. When we are shit I’ll say so and when there is something to be positive about I’ll shout it. For the moment.....well, we are just shit and I can only hope it turns around soon,but no signs of green shoots just yet. Hoping we won’t be too far behind the pack when there are, but it’s not looking promising.

[shipshape]

Aug 12, 2018 12:55:01 GMT redrob said:

Some on another thread used a cooking analogy so lets follow that through..... Your favorite restaurant has for 10 years operated a top class menu ok not always with great success and a bit hit and miss in quality but still a decent meal. Then following a steady decline caused in part by terrible decision making and leadership you have a meal which is so bad it makes you sick its just awful. In response the restaurant is downgraded but says ok we admit things went totally wrong but we've got a new chef hes young up and coming knows this scene like the back of his hand the kicker is we are going to change you the same price and the chef will still have to use most of last years ingredients but why not give us a try. So you do and meal is even worse than before and shows no signs of getting better you feel totally justified at complaining to the management and venting your frustration

I'd just start going to a different restaurant. You can't do that with football.

[colinroberts1]

Aug 12, 2018 12:05:31 GMT senojbor said:

Hands up I didn't see the game or even highlights yet because I've been away. However it seems that every disappointing result is greeted with near hysteria and outrageously radical comments. Trying to read anything worthwhile and positive is pointless. It's the same old, with the same old charlatans spouting negativity at every opportunity.
The club have got a new manager and whole crop of new players that are going to need time to gel. We also are the team that everyone wants to shoot down.
The geordies lost their first two games at the start of the last season yet walked it by the end.
Ffs give them some time.

This team is only going one way mate and that's not up and out of league , there's no goals in it. Only seen afobe couple of times but he's no target man, he'd thrive off through balls like berahino would. He's won about 3 headers in 2 games! I'd love get vokes in, someone who'll knock defenders about.

[Pirate]

Its a cumulative effect, not just due to 2 games.

I have faith GR will get things sorted, provided we get the loans in required.

The problem for the faithful i believe is that there has been little or nothing in the first 2 performances to suggest anything has changed at all on the pitch, we as supporters need a few rays of sun through the 18 month cloud which has covered our club also, we have a hangover as much as the players & its up to them to show us exactly what they are made of. They had there backing regardless of what they were producing towards the end of last season & even before that, it is surely there turn to reciprocate with fight, vigor & please god some actual quality.

As one or two said above, i am sick of being so negative about it all, sick of going into games with fear instead of optimism. At this point i cannot remember when i last saw a Stoke side play well. Having not won at home since January we need something to get excited about now.

[rawli]

Aug 12, 2018 12:55:01 GMT redrob said:

Some on another thread used a cooking analogy so lets follow that through..... Your favorite restaurant has for 10 years operated a top class menu ok not always with great success and a bit hit and miss in quality but still a decent meal. Then following a steady decline caused in part by terrible decision making and leadership you have a meal which is so bad it makes you sick its just awful. In response the restaurant is downgraded but says ok we admit things went totally wrong but we've got a new chef hes young up and coming knows this scene like the back of his hand the kicker is we are going to change you the same price and the chef will still have to use most of last years ingredients but why not give us a try. So you do and meal is even worse than before and shows no signs of getting better you feel totally justified at complaining to the management and venting your frustration

So Stoke are the restaurant? The menu served up was the Premier League under Pulis and early Hughes? The decline was late Hughes and the sick inducing meal was Lambert? And the young chef is Rowett? I see what you're saying now. Brilliant analogy.

[rawli]

Positives were that parking was easier, getting served at half time was easier, getting away was easier, they've got contactless now. Honestly, what more do people want?

[questionable]

Aug 12, 2018 12:19:03 GMT theonlooker said:

I'll hold my hand up. I can't really understand it but I'm very negative about us right now. I'm not normally a negative person at all but I've been like this about Stoke for nearly 18 months or so. To be honest, it's p*****g me off.

I like Rowett as a bloke but am very suspicious about his football. I watched a similar style under Pulis and I just don't want to go back there. I don't see the need to either. That's just my personal opinion and respect others that don't mind it or even enjoy it.

The owners I'm deeply annoyed with. They stood by a failing manager, which to be fair is a positive trait in this trigger happy world, but then replaced him with an incredibly poor manager. Why?
What was the point of it or need for it?

At the end of last season they chose, under no pressure, to release the now infamous statement about overhauls, regaining the balance in the side/club etc.

When you promise that you have to deliver it. If you don't, and I genuinely believe we haven't, then you create a bad feeling. That's just human nature. People don't like to be perceived to be taken for a ride.

Supporters get a bad rep amongst professional football people and to some degree, it's deserved. Fans generally aren't stupid and whilst they have no knowledge of inner workings of clubs they have a very finely tuned 6th sense to things that are either going wrong or about to.

I sense a lot of fear amongst the support and a whole load of frustration. It's a bad mix that will only get worse before it turns for the better.

I was trying to express how I feel and the above sums my feelings up exactly, I didn’t renew my ST and after twenty plus years I’m thinking about jacking this sinking stinking club in completely, it’s an hard habit to break but after yesterday’s game I feel justified in not renewing and I’ll attend as and when I feel

[RAF]

I didn't think we would cruise the league for a minute and certainly know it's a tough league but what I do expect especially after the long break most of them have had is fitness and a modicum of pride and urgency. I've seen fuck all of any of that yet. I know it's early doors but after that badgers cock of a season just gone I don't think it's much to ask for that the players at least look arsed.
I thought lessons had been learnt?
I'd fucking like to know which ones and who was doing the teaching?

H

[cobhamstokey]

Aug 12, 2018 12:05:31 GMT senojbor said:

Hands up I didn't see the game or even highlights yet because I've been away. However it seems that every disappointing result is greeted with near hysteria and outrageously radical comments. Trying to read anything worthwhile and positive is pointless. It's the same old, with the same old charlatans spouting negativity at every opportunity.
The club have got a new manager and whole crop of new players that are going to need time to gel. We also are the team that everyone wants to shoot down.
The geordies lost their first two games at the start of the last season yet walked it by the end.
Ffs give them some time.

I went and it wasn’t just the result it was a dreadful performance. Created nothing and left them huge gaps.
Against a PL team it would have been a cricket score. Sometimes it helps to vent.

[lordherefordsknob]

I'm sick of watching shit every week.

Sick of players being brought in that are no where near good enough.

Sick of not being able to ship out players that are earning a fortune out of the club.

Sick of watching teams that have spend no where near as much money as us make us look like Port fucking Vale.

Sick of hearing boos ringing out at the end of every game because we have been shit.

I could go on buy I'm sick of being negative.