|
Post by richardparker on Aug 12, 2018 14:06:15 GMT
There's no denying that, in part, it helped get us relegated last season.
Am not a happy clapper by any means but if our fan-base just expects to turn up and blow away the opposition in this league every time ... we're in for another tough season!
So moaners ' ... fock op!' Now is the time to get behind team and manager!
|
|
|
Post by johnnysoul60 on Aug 12, 2018 14:09:43 GMT
If we had a clue what the plan was we might understand what he is trying to build buy having seen two games , I have no idea .
He said they are fitter well not fit enough compared to Leeds or Brentford
Our forward is as isolated as ever its as though the end days of Hughes have returned.
|
|
|
Post by loveducknoatcakes on Aug 12, 2018 14:17:52 GMT
The players are really looking forward to playing in front of you lot, they really love the moaning and groaning from the stands, and the extra loud booing at the end should see us succeeed this season no problem.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2018 14:24:06 GMT
I came into the season relatively confident. I thought the play-offs were virtually a given. But, Jesus Christ, these first 2 games have knocked me sideways. Leeds was disappointing, but to see us so comprehensively outplayed by a team with maybe 30% of our budget yesterday really made me question everything about the likely course of our season, certainly without some radical surgery in the next 3 weeks. I can't really see how anyone could sit through yesterday and not shit themselves about the coming season - our one true shot to use our financial muscle to get back up. 30%of our budget - more like 10% to 15% of our budget - its that embarassing It's likely even less than that. It is indicative of the complete fucking incompetence at every level. Every level.
|
|
|
Post by Somebody_Told_Me on Aug 12, 2018 14:36:42 GMT
You wouldn't expect the level of maoning under normal circustances (new manager, new faces) however I think people moaning early becuase they feel we're still sleepwalking.
I was blissfully thinking we'd avoid relegation, when it was staring me in the face. Perhaps I should have moaned when it was obvious Hughes was taking us down.
I'm usually glass half full, I think i'll voice my opinion earlier this time.
|
|
|
Post by superheroantonius on Aug 12, 2018 14:36:42 GMT
In football , as in life , if things aren't working , then you need to change things
That is not being negative , it's being positive .
Things have to change or we go the way of Sunderland .
Being less fit than the likes of Leeds and Brentford , moving the ball slower , plodding around the pitch , lacking imagination , lacking bravery on the ball ,lacking graft and organisation off the ball , won't change anything
We have to change , and for the better or we will carry on dropping through the leagues until we find our level
That's just the way it is
|
|
|
Post by rawli on Aug 12, 2018 14:37:34 GMT
There's no denying that, in part, it helped get us relegated last season. Am not a happy clapper by any means but if our fan-base just expects to turn up and blow away the opposition in this league every time ... we're in for another tough season! So moaners ' ... fock op!' Now is the time to get behind team and manager! Fock op yourself you stopid twut
|
|
|
Post by Somebody_Told_Me on Aug 12, 2018 14:39:42 GMT
There's no denying that, in part, it helped get us relegated last season. Am not a happy clapper by any means but if our fan-base just expects to turn up and blow away the opposition in this league every time ... we're in for another tough season! So moaners ' ... fock op!' Now is the time to get behind team and manager! Fock op yourself you stopid twut Take a buw!
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2018 14:40:21 GMT
But they're shit arent they ? Dress it up how you like folks .they are.
|
|
|
Post by SamB_SCFC on Aug 12, 2018 14:45:49 GMT
Hands up I didn't see the game or even highlights yet because I've been away. However it seems that every disappointing result is greeted with near hysteria and outrageously radical comments. Trying to read anything worthwhile and positive is pointless. It's the same old, with the same old charlatans spouting negativity at every opportunity. The club have got a new manager and whole crop of new players that are going to need time to gel. We also are the team that everyone wants to shoot down. The geordies lost their first two games at the start of the last season yet walked it by the end. Ffs give them some time. When you've been a football fan for a long time you tend to get a sense of when things are just teething problems or short term issues and when there is a deep rooted problem that you need to get worried about. This has all the hallmarks of the latter and I don't think you can go criticising people for expressing legitimate concerns especially when you haven't actually watched the match itself. Yes there's some reactionary rubbish and people already calling for Rowett's head which is obviously ridiculous but there are some alarming deficiencies within our squad which aren't easily fixed and some very legitimate concerns about our manager's approach and whether he'd done the necessary homework before taking the job. He seems genuinely surprised by how poor our squad is and the huge deficiencies, something that he'd have been well aware of had he done his research. And there are some concerns already not just with players he's inherited but the judgment in some of his signings with McLean the most glaring one at the moment. Did we really need another slow, hard working grafter with no end product in midfield? This squad is screaming out for pace and movement and so far we've signed none of that. He may yet come good and become another Walters but there are some real justified concerns. Then there's our awful, slow and cumbersome defence who concede chances at an alarming rate. Many of them highly paid big 'names' who will be politically difficult to drop. It's very difficult to see how Rowett can fix these multitude of problems with just a couple of weeks of loans left to go and seemingly no idea of what kind of system to use. It might only be 2 games but it's difficult to make a case for us to mount even a playoff push at the moment.
|
|
|
Post by scfc75 on Aug 12, 2018 14:51:20 GMT
But they're shit arent they ? Dress it up how you like folks .they are. They're PLAYING shit, yes... But they're not all shit footballers. If they were they wouldn't have a load of international caps between them and have built careers playing in the top divisions across Europe. I think the main issue is a psychological one. The core of our team yesterday played last season (9 of the 14, 10 if you count Bojan). They're conditioned to lose. You can see the fear when they get the ball... They want to go backwards or sideways, not forwards. I think it's going to take a lot of man management and coaching to break the cycle and get them playing more positively. We saw small glimpses of it yesterday for 10 mins after the goal... They then regressed again. You don't turn a team of losers into a team of winners overnight. Just like we didn't go from a decent team to a bad one overnight (we went backwards slowly for a good 2 and a half seasons).
|
|
|
Post by claytonscrubs on Aug 12, 2018 14:58:07 GMT
Will the moaners on here who keep moaning about fans moaning on here stop moaning and let fans moan if they want to without being moaned at......It’s getting very tedious.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2018 14:59:04 GMT
Hands up I didn't see the game or even highlights yet because I've been away. However it seems that every disappointing result is greeted with near hysteria and outrageously radical comments. Trying to read anything worthwhile and positive is pointless. It's the same old, with the same old charlatans spouting negativity at every opportunity. The club have got a new manager and whole crop of new players that are going to need time to gel. We also are the team that everyone wants to shoot down. The geordies lost their first two games at the start of the last season yet walked it by the end. Ffs give them some time. You needed to see the games vs. Leeds and Brentford to understand it, perhaps. We could have gone for 6 at Leeds and deserved it. We got out-thought, out-fought, and out-played for an hour, at Home, vs Brentford. We deserved to lose. We've now got 3 games coming up, where, if we're being brutally honest, we should be looking for 9 points, if we want to be taken seriously and/or we've got any aim of pushing for promotion. I never believed that we'd walk this league. A small minority maybe did. What I did expect was for our better players to show their pedigree. Right now we have a mixture of players who either think they're better than they are; feel sorry for themselves after relegation; or, are being shown up as not good enough, even at this level. Right now, I can't see us going up. Tellingly, Rowett's not even asking for time to allow us to 'gel'. He's basically admitting that we've not got the players that we need.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2018 15:01:12 GMT
Seriously tho -I do think stoke city will come good, its just that I find it absolutely hilarious with all the dysfunction and incompetence still riddling the place, all the overpaid and totally useless playing fuckheads still there, many absolutely conning a very lucrative living (and they know it!) That, the media STILL chose to install us as favourites?????. Even funnier though - some of our own supporters thought so too.
|
|
|
Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 12, 2018 15:28:35 GMT
Hands up I didn't see the game or even highlights yet because I've been away. However it seems that every disappointing result is greeted with near hysteria and outrageously radical comments. Trying to read anything worthwhile and positive is pointless. It's the same old, with the same old charlatans spouting negativity at every opportunity. The club have got a new manager and whole crop of new players that are going to need time to gel. We also are the team that everyone wants to shoot down. The geordies lost their first two games at the start of the last season yet walked it by the end. Ffs give them some time. 4-1 to Brentford would have been a fair result. It’s hard not to be negative after watching a performance that should garner that sort of result at home.
|
|
|
Post by southernish on Aug 12, 2018 15:33:24 GMT
Admittedly, we've been a bit disappointing so far. But we've got to remember that we have the squad and the experience. Some clubs will come flying out of the blocks, but as the season grinds on their depth will not be evident and will drop down the table.
As was stated at first, Newcastle dropped points first two games and walked the league.
|
|
|
Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 12, 2018 15:36:21 GMT
Admittedly, we've been a bit disappointing so far. But we've got to remember that we have the squad and the experience. Some clubs will come flying out of the blocks, but as the season grinds on their depth will not be evident and will drop down the table. As was stated at first, Newcastle dropped points first two games and walked the league. You’ve only been a “bit” disappointed?
|
|
pulisfan
Academy Starlet
Can we bring yesterday back around ?
Posts: 111
|
Post by pulisfan on Aug 12, 2018 16:06:03 GMT
Hands up I didn't see the game or even highlights yet because I've been away. However it seems that every disappointing result is greeted with near hysteria and outrageously radical comments. Trying to read anything worthwhile and positive is pointless. It's the same old, with the same old charlatans spouting negativity at every opportunity. The club have got a new manager and whole crop of new players that are going to need time to gel. We also are the team that everyone wants to shoot down. The geordies lost their first two games at the start of the last season yet walked it by the end. Ffs give them some time. We are facing a 'Sunderland' pal and if you had seen the first two games you would realise that. I say a Sunderland, I doubt if we will be chance of staying up by late April.
|
|
|
Post by mrcoke on Aug 12, 2018 16:07:57 GMT
Football fans are football fans and tend to extreme ways of expressing their opinion.
The negativity is understandable. I have been negative about the clubs failure to strengthen last season's worst defence, and events have proved me right. The club seem to think that retaining last season's failures is an achievement.
The amount and veracity of the negativity is less justified. Firstly new players are going to take time to bed and develop understanding. Ex-Premier League players are going to take time to adjust to the type of football in the Champioship, as described by Crouch on Saturday in the DM. We have played 2 teams that have hit the ground running with largely the same squads that played together last season.
I think a lot of fans reaction to the poor performances is inflated by a lack of appreciation of how tough it is in the Championship, which they have underestimated. The first priority of a relegated side is to avoid going straight through the trap door into D1. Going straight back up to the Prem. rarely happens, in fact as I posted yesterday, less than a third of relegated sides get back after years of trying.
Personally I think if we don't strengthen the defending we are going to struggle, but provided we do that we have enough talent and a good enough coaching team to get promoted. I'm confident they can sort out the MF and attack in time.
|
|
|
Post by Block 22 on Aug 12, 2018 16:19:54 GMT
Half of the problem is the expectation of some of the fans.
Yes, we’ve been very poor but those boo-ing after the game against Brentford and those ready to throw the towel in after just 2 games should fuck off now. The championship slog requires a siege mentality and everyone pulling in the same direction, including the fans. Turning against the team and manager after 2 games is good for no one and idiotic.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2018 16:22:49 GMT
Football fans are football fans and tend to extreme ways of expressing their opinion. The negativity is understandable. I have been negative about the clubs failure to strengthen last season's worst defence, and events have proved me right. The club seem to think that retaining last season's failures is an achievement. The amount and veracity of the negativity is less justified. Firstly new players are going to take time to bed and develop understanding. Ex-Premier League players are going to take time to adjust to the type of football in the Champioship, as described by Crouch on Saturday in the DM. We have played 2 teams that have hit the ground running with largely the same squads that played together last season. I think a lot of fans reaction to the poor performances is inflated by a lack of appreciation of how tough it is in the Championship, which they have underestimated. The first priority of a relegated side is to avoid going straight through the trap door into D1. Going straight back up to the Prem. rarely happens, in fact as I posted yesterday, less than a third of relegated sides get back after years of trying. Personally I think if we don't strengthen the defending we are going to struggle, but provided we do that we have enough talent and a good enough coaching team to get promoted. I'm confident they can sort out the MF and attack in time. In my view the veracity of the criticism is justified. It's time for all the players to start taking responsibility and show some fire to turn things around.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2018 16:24:35 GMT
Half of the problem is the expectation of some of the fans. Yes, we’ve been very poor but those boo-ing after the game against Brentford and those ready to throw the towel in after just 2 games should fuck off now. The championship slog requires a siege mentality and everyone pulling in the same direction, including the fans. Turning against the team and manager after 2 games is good for no one and idiotic. You are completely wrong. The fans are calling out the players and the club about what they are seeing. They need a dramatic kick in the arse not a muted round of applause.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2018 16:25:15 GMT
I’m absolutely sick of watching the shit that is being served up. We have no identity, no idea jut nothing. We look a total shambles. Newcastle has players like shelvey pulling the strings.... we’ve got bastard fletcher.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2018 16:25:37 GMT
Admittedly, we've been a bit disappointing so far. But we've got to remember that we have the squad and the experience. Some clubs will come flying out of the blocks, but as the season grinds on their depth will not be evident and will drop down the table. As was stated at first, Newcastle dropped points first two games and walked the league. Newcastle weren't battered in their first two games. Our performances have been an absolute nightmare
|
|
|
Post by blackpoolred on Aug 12, 2018 16:28:14 GMT
Hands up I didn't see the game or even highlights yet because I've been away. However it seems that every disappointing result is greeted with near hysteria and outrageously radical comments. Trying to read anything worthwhile and positive is pointless. It's the same old, with the same old charlatans spouting negativity at every opportunity. The club have got a new manager and whole crop of new players that are going to need time to gel. We also are the team that everyone wants to shoot down. The geordies lost their first two games at the start of the last season yet walked it by the end. Ffs give them some time. When you've been a football fan for a long time you tend to get a sense of when things are just teething problems or short term issues and when there is a deep rooted problem that you need to get worried about. This has all the hallmarks of the latter and I don't think you can go criticising people for expressing legitimate concerns especially when you haven't actually watched the match itself. Yes there's some reactionary rubbish and people already calling for Rowett's head which is obviously ridiculous but there are some alarming deficiencies within our squad which aren't easily fixed and some very legitimate concerns about our manager's approach and whether he'd done the necessary homework before taking the job. He seems genuinely surprised by how poor our squad is and the huge deficiencies, something that he'd have been well aware of had he done his research. And there are some concerns already not just with players he's inherited but the judgment in some of his signings with McLean the most glaring one at the moment. Did we really need another slow, hard working grafter with no end product in midfield? This squad is screaming out for pace and movement and so far we've signed none of that. He may yet come good and become another Walters but there are some real justified concerns. Then there's our awful, slow and cumbersome defence who concede chances at an alarming rate. Many of them highly paid big 'names' who will be politically difficult to drop. It's very difficult to see how Rowett can fix these multitude of problems with just a couple of weeks of loans left to go and seemingly no idea of what kind of system to use. It might only be 2 games but it's difficult to make a case for us to mount even a playoff push at the moment. I think you are correct I think us older fans were not overly hopeful before a ball was kicked and think we could sense the owd wakeup call coming early doors I was convinced at the end of last season we would drop straight through to tier 3 footy. However, with the appointment of Rowett I thought we had a man that could steady the ship(as in keep us up) and build slowly but surely and provide us all with a bit of hope and put a bit of spirit back in the team. The 1st two games have been pretty horrendous though and I am struggling to see how this team/squad can win a game of Nogger. I am holding on to the hope that the bottom half of this league is a really, really shit standard and telling myself that Leeds/Brentford are the best teams in the league There is really very little to cling on to at the moment - we are just diabolical
|
|
|
Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 12, 2018 16:28:26 GMT
Half of the problem is the expectation of some of the fans. Yes, we’ve been very poor but those boo-ing after the game against Brentford and those ready to throw the towel in after just 2 games should fuck off now. The championship slog requires a siege mentality and everyone pulling in the same direction, including the fans. Turning against the team and manager after 2 games is good for no one and idiotic. What was wrong with the booing yesterday? If you can’t boo your side after a performance like that when can you? I didn’t boo them, I couldn’t be arsed but it was deserved.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2018 16:37:05 GMT
With regards to expectation, I'm expecting rubbish. It's what we are getting, and the very mention of Connor Wickham fills me with absolute dread. Rubbish, on top of rubbish. Not one player in the squad raises my hopes! As tone says, the dented tins aisle. We have fallen so far in the last eighteen months to two years. It is a sodding disgrace!
|
|
|
Post by Block 22 on Aug 12, 2018 16:40:11 GMT
Half of the problem is the expectation of some of the fans. Yes, we’ve been very poor but those boo-ing after the game against Brentford and those ready to throw the towel in after just 2 games should fuck off now. The championship slog requires a siege mentality and everyone pulling in the same direction, including the fans. Turning against the team and manager after 2 games is good for no one and idiotic. What was wrong with the booing yesterday? If you can’t boo your side after a performance like that when can you? I didn’t boo them, I couldn’t be arsed but it was deserved. It was our second competitive game. Hence why the previous comments were about expectations. No. I didn’t expect two very poor performances but it’s our second competitive game. If we’re still that shit in 5 games times then i’ll join in with the boo-ing but it’s our 2nd competitive game. Let’s at least give them a couple more games.
|
|
|
Post by crapslinger on Aug 12, 2018 16:48:14 GMT
Admittedly, we've been a bit disappointing so far. But we've got to remember that we have the squad and the experience. Some clubs will come flying out of the blocks, but as the season grinds on their depth will not be evident and will drop down the table. As was stated at first, Newcastle dropped points first two games and walked the league. "but as the season grinds on their depth will not be evident and will drop down the table", depth of what ? have you looked at our squad ? our starting eleven are awful below that we the likes of Charlie Adam, Josh Tymon, Imbula, Berahino etc.
|
|
|
Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 12, 2018 16:48:43 GMT
What was wrong with the booing yesterday? If you can’t boo your side after a performance like that when can you? I didn’t boo them, I couldn’t be arsed but it was deserved. It was our second competitive game. Hence why the previous comments were about expectations. No. I didn’t expect two very poor performances but it’s our second competitive game. If we’re still that shit in 5 games times then i’ll join in with the boo-ing but it’s our 2nd competitive game. Let’s at least give them a couple more games. I think expectations after Leeds were pretty low. And this isn’t about this season. The players and certain members of the club got off lightly last year from the fans. Booing after that yesterday should be the least of their worries.
|
|