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Post by AlbertTatlock on Aug 10, 2018 12:31:44 GMT
With the possibilty if more to come, wtf would make them happy - if anything? Gouranga.  |
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Post by thegift on Aug 10, 2018 12:33:55 GMT
Good players, not average squad players.
We want to get out the league not stay in it for the next 20 years paying off deadwood on silly contracts.
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Post by chuckrocky on Aug 10, 2018 12:35:48 GMT
Signing players in positions we need?
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Aug 10, 2018 12:43:17 GMT
Hoping vat Gary fooks 433 off.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2018 12:43:44 GMT
Signing players in positions we need? We have. We've signed a striker. We've signed a centre half. We've signed two wingers. We've signed a versatile midfielder. We've re-signed or kept hold of some really important players. We are still a little short in certain areas but I'd expect another 2 loan players in at least over the next few weeks. Like the OP asked, what more were you expecting? |
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Post by conroyfan on Aug 10, 2018 12:50:01 GMT
In general additions to squad have been good , Etebo is bound to be a proper player given a few games and hopefully Afobe will get us some goals, Ince and McClean should thrive at this level.
Bigger problem by far is getting anything from the under achievers, Just wish Rowett and Shawcross would take Imbula and co. out the back of Clayton Wood and bounce em a few times around the training pitches, more stick and less carrot.
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Post by reddipotter on Aug 10, 2018 12:59:43 GMT
The definition of what makes a 'good' player in the championship is different to what makes a 'good' player in the Premier League.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 10, 2018 13:00:36 GMT
With the possibilty if more to come, wtf would make them happy - if anything? Gouranga. I guess the problem is that we left ourselves to much to do such was the shambles of the squad that GR inherited. Some of that responsibility must be down to the board / transfer team. In the end such was the size of the job with the likes of Choupa, Imbula, Adam, Afellay, Badou in the squad and proving difficult to shift we’d probably need to shift 10 and get the same number in to get it right (and that’s being conservative). I don’t think any of the signings have been bad ones. But 1- at the start of the season the board built our hopes up maybe too much with what they said. 2- Players that we should have gone for have gone to rivals. 3- We are overly stacked in some positions and short in others. 4- It appears that we have weeks of doing nothing. |
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Post by Scrotnig on Aug 10, 2018 13:02:55 GMT
The definition of what makes a 'good' player in the championship is different to what makes a 'good' player in the Premier League. Unfortunately many of our players appear to be shit in both. |
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Post by chuckrocky on Aug 10, 2018 13:06:46 GMT
Signing players in positions we need? We have. We've signed a striker. We've signed a centre half. We've signed two wingers. We've signed a versatile midfielder. We've re-signed or kept hold of some really important players. We are still a little short in certain areas but I'd expect another 2 loan players in at least over the next few weeks. Like the OP asked, what more were you expecting? A versatile midfielder you say? Yes that’s just what we needed, we’ve got about 10 of those now but you can never have too many versatile midfielders. Where’s the left back? Where’s the back up winger? What happens if Pieters gets injured? What happens if Ince or McClean get injured? Our only other winger is training with the U23’s trying to find a new club. |
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 10, 2018 13:07:28 GMT
Good players, not average squad players. We want to get out the league not stay in it for the next 20 years paying off deadwood on silly contracts. Mo Salah? Lukaku? De Bruyne? Where all these available "good" players? |
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 10, 2018 13:08:43 GMT
With the possibilty if more to come, wtf would make them happy - if anything? Gouranga. I guess the problem is that we left ourselves to much to do such was the shambles of the squad that GR inherited. Some of that responsibility must be down to the board / transfer team. In the end such was the size of the job with the likes of Choupa, Imbula, Adam, Afellay, Badou in the squad and proving difficult to shift we’d probably need to shift 10 and get the same number in to get it right (and that’s being conservative). I don’t think any of the signings have been bad ones. But 1- at the start of the season the board built our hopes up maybe too much with what they said. 2- Players that we should have gone for have gone to rivals. 3- We are overly stacked in some positions and short in others. 4- It appears that we have weeks of doing nothing. agree with most of that.
My main concern is who is going to score the goals?
We need about 70 goals.
Generally three players or more obtaining double figures.
Massive pressure on Afobe.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Aug 10, 2018 13:09:06 GMT
I think the biggest concern is the lack of outgoing, but that’s not down to Rowett. We’re still paying the price for a shocking recruitment policy under Hughes’ stewardship, and yes - the current “transfer team” are culpable for that, too. With that said, we’ve spent a decent amount of money and brought in seven players in key positions. It remains to be seen if they are the right players, but I’m certainly not going to judge them based on one game. The deadwood still needs to be shifted, but that was never going to be easy. But those are past mistakes, so let’s see how the next few months pans out before we start going into meltdown. There could be a few people on here looking very silly in a month or two if everything clicks.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Aug 10, 2018 13:09:11 GMT
I’ve been completely baffled by some of the comments I’ve read on here recently. We could have done better and there is some room for criticsm but some are just going over the top.
On paper we’ve got a better side than we had last year and we’re favourites to go up with good reason. Even without further loan signings this squad should be good enough to get promoted.
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Post by reddipotter on Aug 10, 2018 13:11:33 GMT
I think the biggest concern is the lack of outgoing, but that’s not down to Rowett. We’re still paying the price for a shocking recruitment policy under Hughes’ stewardship, and yes - the current “transfer team” are culpable for that, too. With that said, we’ve spent a decent amount of money and brought in seven players in key positions. It remains to be seen if they are the right players, but I’m certainly not going to judge them based on one game. The deadwood still needs to be shifted, but that was never going to be easy. But those are past mistakes, so let’s see how the next few months pans out before we start going into meltdown. There could be a few people on here looking very silly in a month or two if everything clicks. Well said. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 10, 2018 13:11:58 GMT
I'm concerned by how many players we haven't sold, this is due to shortsightedness and really really dumb contract extensions for players completely underserving of them.
I think people are right to have legitimate grievances, we haven't really filled some key positions with the depth that we need yet appear to have a huge surplus in other areas. The loan market is the only chance we have to fill these spaces now, but who will be available on it? Is it feasible etc.
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Post by musik on Aug 10, 2018 13:12:02 GMT
The definition of what makes a 'good' player in the championship is different to what makes a 'good' player in the Premier League. Definitely! So let's hope we not get promoted then, since we will have to sell everyone of our 'Championship players', to buy some PL material. You see, I don't find the logic. On the other hand, I'm hopeful for the new season. Possibly they can get 2-3 loan deals done as well. I think we need them. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 10, 2018 13:14:04 GMT
Good players, not average squad players. We want to get out the league not stay in it for the next 20 years paying off deadwood on silly contracts. Mo Salah? Lukaku? De Bruyne? Where all these available "good" players? Barry Douglas was a standout player in Wolves promotion season last year, he put more decent crosses in against us the other day than I've seen Pieters do in 3 years. He went to Leeds for 3 million. Have we even been linked with a left back this summer at all? |
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Post by thegift on Aug 10, 2018 13:26:15 GMT
Good players, not average squad players. We want to get out the league not stay in it for the next 20 years paying off deadwood on silly contracts. Mo Salah? Lukaku? De Bruyne? Where all these available "good" players? Ritchie Gayle Huth Vydra Schurrle douglas
They were all available
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2018 13:34:29 GMT
The calibre of player that we have brought in, along those we have failed to get off the books, have meant it has been a papering over the cracks job, not the rebuild that was promised.
Any bewildered fan of a Premier League team (like we became) should be browsing our starting line-up at the weekend thinking WTF is that player? Never heard of him. Hungry and talented Championship players who have been scouted and looked at properly.
Instead they will see the usual suspects from last season plus a few additional journeymen that are supposedly 'too good for the Championship, not good enough for the Prem' - hence, papering over the cracks.
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Post by lordb on Aug 10, 2018 13:37:05 GMT
Mo Salah? Lukaku? De Bruyne? Where all these available "good" players? Ritchie Gayle Huth Vydra Schurrle douglas
They were all available
Huth still is Schurrle, don't be silly,no chance. |
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 10, 2018 13:37:16 GMT
Hoping vat Gary fooks 433 off. four free free |
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 10, 2018 13:44:40 GMT
This forum should be re-titled "Whinge and a Prayer"
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Post by numfar on Aug 10, 2018 13:59:24 GMT
Mo Salah? Lukaku? De Bruyne? Where all these available "good" players? Ritchie Gayle Huth Vydra Schurrle douglas
They were all available
The only one I can see from that list that we've really missed out on is Douglas. Why we weren't in for him is madness. Schurrle? Are you having a laugh? You think he'd have chosen us over Premier League Fulham? We couldn't get him in January by all accounts. Vydra - The manager has said numerous times that he doesn't want him so surely that's the end of it? Can't win, people on here go mental when the transfer team sign a player normally. Gayle - Sadly for us West Brom had something Newcastle wanted. Ritchie - Rafa has constantly said he doesn't want him to leave, so is he actually 'available' Huth - You want us to sign a defender who's spent the majority of the last 18 months injured and who is currently injured? |
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Post by Davef on Aug 10, 2018 14:03:33 GMT
Mo Salah? Lukaku? De Bruyne? Where all these available "good" players? Ritchie Gayle Huth Vydra Schurrle douglas
They were all available
Ritchie quite clearly wasn't available because of Newcastle's situation. Benitez has said REPEATEDY that he would sanction no player transfers unless players went to Newcastle. That obviously influenced the Gayle deal with Newcastle getting Rondon as part of the deal. We looked at Huth, but obviously decided against signing him due to his age and fitness. Vydra has clearly been biding his time (he turned down Leeds due to excessive wage demands) and has ended up at a Premier League club. As Lordb said -don't be ridiculous about Schurrle. So one reasonable suggestion...not bad. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 10, 2018 14:08:29 GMT
Getting rid of players.
Signing another winger that's fast.
Signing another striker that's got goals.
Balancing out the squad.
That sort of thing really.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 10, 2018 14:10:16 GMT
This forum should be re-titled "Whinge and a Prayer" It should be re=named 'The Oatcake Asylum'. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2018 14:10:52 GMT
This forum should be re-titled "Whinge and a Prayer" Or Say what you think Speak your mind Clap clap and clap again.... |
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Post by armitagestokie on Aug 10, 2018 14:13:17 GMT
Pity we haven't shifted the deadwood pile, no real stunning signings, still a real worry about the lack of goals
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Post by thegift on Aug 10, 2018 14:13:51 GMT
Ritchie Gayle Huth Vydra Schurrle douglas
They were all available
Ritchie quite clearly wasn't available because of Newcastle's situation. Benitez has said REPEATEDY that he would sanction no player transfers unless players went to Newcastle. That obviously influenced the Gayle deal with Newcastle getting Rondon as part of the deal. We looked at Huth, but obviously decided against signing him due to his age and fitness. Vydra has clearly been biding his time (he turned down Leeds due to excessive wage demands) and has ended up at a Premier League club. As Lordb said -don't be ridiculous about Schurrle. So one reasonable suggestion...not bad. I bet you now Fulham are not paying more in wages than we are.
Coates has the money, if he wants a player he should be able to get him. With the exception of the Ronaldo's, Messi, mbappe etc
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