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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2018 13:18:09 GMT
Not the HBO TV series.(perhaps my favourite of all time) but, the rotting, fetid, decaying log jam of festering uselessness the club seemingly STILL cant find a way to dispose of. Its precisely this listing of festering 'happy to be here still conning a living wallahs' that continues to hold us back. And, if you're anybody from the club looking in, you know who they are.(you might even be one).
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Post by Davef on Jul 31, 2018 13:25:57 GMT
Great post.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2018 13:26:30 GMT
Not the HBO TV series.(perhaps my favourite of all time) but, the rotting, fetid, decaying log jam of festering uselessness the club seemingly STILL cant find a way to dispose of. Its precisely this listing of festering 'happy to be here still conning a living wallahs' that continues to hold us back. And, if you're anybody from the club looking in, you know who they are.(you might even be one). The deadline for loanees is 31st August, the deadline for permanent moves in most major European leagues is the 31st August. Most will be disposed of in good time, unless you have a better plan of course in which case fire away.....?
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Post by Veritas on Jul 31, 2018 13:30:35 GMT
Not the HBO TV series.(perhaps my favourite of all time) but, the rotting, fetid, decaying log jam of festering uselessness the club seemingly STILL cant find a way to dispose of. Its precisely this listing of festering 'happy to be here still conning a living wallahs' that continues to hold us back. And, if you're anybody from the club looking in, you know who they are.(you might even be one). The deadline for loanees is 31st August, the deadline for permanent moves in most major European leagues is the 31st August. Most will be disposed of in good time, unless you have a better plan of course in which case fire away.....? I think there is a good chance quite a few will still be here, we have just got to grin and bear it
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Jul 31, 2018 13:32:57 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2018 13:32:57 GMT
Just expressing my genuine frustration that these wasters are still holding us back. I reckon there will be, a few more people more frustrated than many of us at the club itself and Im sure, that will include Gary Rowett and his new coaching team, for they will surely know by now, how much overpaid & complete and utter dross there is still hanging around, wasting peoples time and money at the football club right now.
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Post by Vestan Pance on Jul 31, 2018 13:35:28 GMT
"but, the rotting, fetid, decaying log jam of festering uselessness"
Yeah Scholes, what are they still doing here?
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Post by Gods on Jul 31, 2018 13:35:52 GMT
The problem with shifting the 'deadwood', is that it is just that, and if we don't want those players then why would anyone else?
Of course the answer is we shouldn't have bought them in the first place or offered them contract extensions when they were already too long in the tooth.
It's like that well known joke about a tourist in Ireland who asks one of the locals for directions to Dublin and the Irishman replies: ‘Well sir, if I were you, I wouldn’t start from here’.
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Jul 31, 2018 13:47:38 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2018 13:47:38 GMT
You can bet your bottom dollar now, its the wages that some of these shysters are still pulling that is most probably preventing our new manager from securing the acquisitions he still believes we really need to secure our status as real favourites. If I were him right now I'd be tearing my bloody hair out (if I had any left).
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Post by Absolution on Jul 31, 2018 14:08:32 GMT
You can bet your bottom dollar now, its the wages that some of these shysters are still pulling that is most probably preventing our new manager from securing the acquisitions he still believes we really need to secure our status as real favourites. You're definitely onto something here, Tone
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Jul 31, 2018 14:11:21 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 31, 2018 14:11:21 GMT
I thought you didn't care anymore?
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Jul 31, 2018 14:20:59 GMT
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Post by crowey on Jul 31, 2018 14:20:59 GMT
.... spot on with that Tony
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Jul 31, 2018 14:23:17 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2018 14:23:17 GMT
Knocked me sideways relegation did particularly in way the club sleepwalked into it when, many punters could see where it was going. Particularly painful and annoying I felt, along with many others. And yep its looking like I might actually care once again. Maybe its not allowed ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2018 15:10:11 GMT
Now it is in CAPITALS, I totally agree, just a capital D, with normal lettering, makes it look like we are not arsed.
SORT IT OUT SCHOLES.
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Post by thegift on Jul 31, 2018 15:14:36 GMT
Nothing will ever get sorted with scholes still having a job at stoke
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Post by ChesterStokie on Jul 31, 2018 15:16:16 GMT
Name me one comparable football club that hasn’t got a load of deadwood it would like to get rid of
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 31, 2018 15:18:11 GMT
The question that needs to be asked is why is Tony the only poster on this board who had the intelligence to realise that the deadwood is what is holding us back? Not only did he realise it before anyone else but he was sure enough about his assessment of the situation to use capital letters in the subject line. Tony, the voice of reason, I salute you!
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Post by raythesailor on Jul 31, 2018 15:18:15 GMT
Would it be possible to in effect make them redundant (I know they have contracts), with a healthy settlement which would then allow them to become Free Agents and find a club elsewhere. ?
It really is a crazy situation. If we can’t loan them out I would insist they attend on match days and act as ball boys and flag wavers.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 31, 2018 15:25:47 GMT
Would it be possible to in effect make them redundant (I know they have contracts), with a healthy settlement which would then allow them to become Free Agents and find a club elsewhere. ? It really is a crazy situation. If we can’t loan them out I would insist they attend on match days and act as ball boys and flag wavers. They would have to agree to the offer. And, in most cases, given that they would not be getting significant wage offers from any other club, the settlement (to be attractive to them) would have to basically be for us to pay up the balance of their contracts. So, whilst it gets them off the books, it doesn't actually reduce our wage bill or make it any easier to comply with the FFP rules. On the other hand if Scholesy could catch them using Colombian marching powder or something equally illegal, we could sack them for breach of contract with no pay off. Sort it out Scholes!
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jul 31, 2018 15:35:11 GMT
The deadline for loanees is 31st August, the deadline for permanent moves in most major European leagues is the 31st August. Most will be disposed of in good time, unless you have a better plan of course in which case fire away.....? I think there is a good chance quite a few will still be here, we have just got to grin and bear it Some will be hard to shift sure but no need to inflict them on us in games please. That's just the reason we went down and the club has to take the hit on them til they expire.
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Post by magwitch on Jul 31, 2018 15:39:28 GMT
The question that needs to be asked is why is Tony the only poster on this board who had the intelligence to realise that the deadwood is what is holding us back? Not only did he realise it before anyone else but he was sure enough about his assessment of the situation to use capital letters in the subject line. Tony, the voice of reason, I salute you! These are certainly outstanding posts highlighting the situation as it it is at present, but he is not the only one to realize the implications of all this deadwood. A number of other posters have drawn attention to it and suggested various possible solutions, including myself. The problem of Berahino is a prime example, as is Imbula. Personally I think they have breached their contract, which is grounds for dismissal. To allow such a situation to build up over time to the present crisis proportions is down to Teflon Tony and the Main Board. TS's continuation in employment is hard to justify given his role in player recruitement. Hughes has gone, so should Scholes.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 31, 2018 15:44:04 GMT
The question that needs to be asked is why is Tony the only poster on this board who had the intelligence to realise that the deadwood is what is holding us back? Not only did he realise it before anyone else but he was sure enough about his assessment of the situation to use capital letters in the subject line. Tony, the voice of reason, I salute you! These are certainly outstanding posts highlighting the situation as it it is at present, but he is not the only one to realize the implications of all this deadwood. A number of other posters have drawn attention to it and suggested various possible solutions, including myself. The problem of Berahino is a prime example, as is Imbula. Personally I think they have breached their contract, which is grounds for dismissal. To allow such a situation to build up over time to the present crisis proportions is down to Teflon Tony and the Main Board. TS's continuation in employment is hard to justify given his role in player recruitement. Hughes has gone, so should Scholes. If it was as simple as breach of contract then all clubs would be jettisoning their problem children left, right and centre, wouldn't they?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2018 15:57:09 GMT
I feel a song coming on......again
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Post by GoBoks on Jul 31, 2018 16:08:37 GMT
Would it be possible to in effect make them redundant (I know they have contracts), with a healthy settlement which would then allow them to become Free Agents and find a club elsewhere. ? It really is a crazy situation. If we can’t loan them out I would insist they attend on match days and act as ball boys and flag wavers. Probably something in their contracts that prohibits them from being assigned non-player duties, but I would make them exercise/train untill they achieve certain fitness goals. EG if not picked on more than one consecutive Matchday you must run 10 miles (or whatever) that way if they choose to half-heartedly stroll their 10 miles it will take 10 hours while if they put in the effort it could only take about an hour.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 31, 2018 16:13:17 GMT
The question that needs to be asked is why is Tony the only poster on this board who had the intelligence to realise that the deadwood is what is holding us back? Not only did he realise it before anyone else but he was sure enough about his assessment of the situation to use capital letters in the subject line. Tony, the voice of reason, I salute you! These are certainly outstanding posts highlighting the situation as it it is at present, but he is not the only one to realize the implications of all this deadwood. A number of other posters have drawn attention to it and suggested various possible solutions, including myself. The problem of Berahino is a prime example, as is Imbula. Personally I think they have breached their contract, which is grounds for dismissal. To allow such a situation to build up over time to the present crisis proportions is down to Teflon Tony and the Main Board. TS's continuation in employment is hard to justify given his role in player recruitement. Hughes has gone, so should Scholes. You may possibly due a whoosh for that post. Are you one of those posters who thinks irony is the way in which the lady in your life ensures your shirts are nicely pressed!
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Post by GoBoks on Jul 31, 2018 16:14:19 GMT
The question that needs to be asked is why is Tony the only poster on this board who had the intelligence to realise that the deadwood is what is holding us back? Not only did he realise it before anyone else but he was sure enough about his assessment of the situation to use capital letters in the subject line. Tony, the voice of reason, I salute you! These are certainly outstanding posts highlighting the situation as it it is at present, but he is not the only one to realize the implications of all this deadwood. A number of other posters have drawn attention to it and suggested various possible solutions, including myself. The problem of Berahino is a prime example, as is Imbula. Personally I think they have breached their contract, which is grounds for dismissal. To allow such a situation to build up over time to the present crisis proportions is down to Teflon Tony and the Main Board. TS's continuation in employment is hard to justify given his role in player recruitement. Hughes has gone, so should Scholes. Either you have just been Whooshed ..... or I have!
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Post by GoBoks on Jul 31, 2018 16:14:50 GMT
These are certainly outstanding posts highlighting the situation as it it is at present, but he is not the only one to realize the implications of all this deadwood. A number of other posters have drawn attention to it and suggested various possible solutions, including myself. The problem of Berahino is a prime example, as is Imbula. Personally I think they have breached their contract, which is grounds for dismissal. To allow such a situation to build up over time to the present crisis proportions is down to Teflon Tony and the Main Board. TS's continuation in employment is hard to justify given his role in player recruitement. Hughes has gone, so should Scholes. You may possibly due a whoosh for that post. Are you one of those posters who thinks irony is the way in which the lady in your life ensures your shirts are nicely pressed! Argh! Beat me to it!
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Post by magwitch on Jul 31, 2018 16:18:33 GMT
These are certainly outstanding posts highlighting the situation as it it is at present, but he is not the only one to realize the implications of all this deadwood. A number of other posters have drawn attention to it and suggested various possible solutions, including myself. The problem of Berahino is a prime example, as is Imbula. Personally I think they have breached their contract, which is grounds for dismissal. To allow such a situation to build up over time to the present crisis proportions is down to Teflon Tony and the Main Board. TS's continuation in employment is hard to justify given his role in player recruitement. Hughes has gone, so should Scholes. If it was as simple as breach of contract then all clubs would be jettisoning their problem children left, right and centre, wouldn't they? It's either breach of contract or it isn't. To use other clubs as an example of why the contract has not been breached, is not the way to approach the problem.In a situation which relies on contracts between players and clubs, I would have thought it is the best way out in an extreme situation that now exists at Stoke. If Stoke just ignore this situation, it will only encourage players elsewhere to behave in the same way when it suits them. Perhaps this is why Scholes is still in a job, because he might be needed to spearhead a case against Berahino, and maybe Imbula if he can't get another loan.
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Post by GoBoks on Jul 31, 2018 16:27:23 GMT
If it was as simple as breach of contract then all clubs would be jettisoning their problem children left, right and centre, wouldn't they? It's either breach of contract or it isn't. To use other clubs as an example of why the contract has not been breached, is not the way to approach the problem.In a situation which relies on contracts between players and clubs, I would have thought it is the best way out in an extreme situation that now exists at Stoke. If Stoke just ignore this situation, it will only encourage players elsewhere to behave in the same way when it suits them. Perhaps this is why Scholes is still in a job, because he might be needed to spearhead a case against Berahino, and maybe Imbula if he can't get another loan. I think you'll find it isn't. I'm pretty sure most contracts do not have performance requirements (Must score at least x goals, etc). If they are available to be picked, get out onto the field and jog around if they are picked and have a readily available excuse (like injury or "tightness" or in Liam Lawrence's case, a dog) if they are late/miss a session, then there is little the club can do about it. When coupled with the fact that they have paid xx Million for the player to sign the contract, cancelling the contract becomes massively expensive.
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Post by questionable on Jul 31, 2018 16:31:50 GMT
It’s all the clubs doing renewing contracts rather than spending money on improving the squad.
Pathetic
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 31, 2018 16:37:06 GMT
Some strong air freshener needed in the dressing room,to cover up the pile of Shit still clinging on.
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