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Post by Scrotnig on Jul 28, 2018 20:30:31 GMT
The failure of others is no defence for our own failure. You’d be one of these people at work harping on about past failures rather than getting on with the task in hand. Negativity seeps out of your every pore..... Not at all but we do need to learn from the mistakes of the past, and it doesn't seem to me that we have.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 20:31:55 GMT
You’d be one of these people at work harping on about past failures rather than getting on with the task in hand. Negativity seeps out of your every pore..... Not at all but we do need to learn from the mistakes of the past, and it doesn't seem to me that we have. So essentially what you’re saying is by now we should have made several more big money signings and “paid off” all our deadwood to make room in the squads for more signings. Are you Peter Risdale?
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Post by Scrotnig on Jul 28, 2018 20:37:10 GMT
Not at all but we do need to learn from the mistakes of the past, and it doesn't seem to me that we have. So essentially what you’re saying is by now we should have made several more big money signings and “paid off” all our deadwood to make room in the squads for more signings. Are you Peter Risdale? We should not necessarily have done all that but we should be further along that road than we are. Or...accept we have to keep these players but freeze them out. Instead the likes of Berahino turns up in the starting line up. What do we think he's going to do after two years of abject failure? This is not a time for hoping for the best. Make it clear the following will not feature next season: Imbula Berahino Fletcher Affalay Adam Bojan None of them have anything to offer and will simply drag the club down. Instead, some of them make the first team. Incredible! What exactly have we learned from last seasons utter debacle.
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Post by ratters on Jul 28, 2018 20:41:31 GMT
You cant just freeze out that many of a squad though! Its just not financially viable. They are on decent money, and we cant just replace them, and if noone wants them we cant just offload them, and paying off contracts is just a no go, just wouldnt reflect well on the club at all.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 20:42:51 GMT
You cant just freeze out that many of a squad though! Its just not financially viable. They are on decent money, and we cant just replace them, and if noone wants them we cant just offload them, and paying off contracts is just a no go, just wouldnt reflect well on the club at all. That’s without even getting into the realms of FFP. If only it were like Football Manager.....
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 28, 2018 20:44:55 GMT
So essentially what you’re saying is by now we should have made several more big money signings and “paid off” all our deadwood to make room in the squads for more signings. Are you Peter Risdale? We should not necessarily have done all that but we should be further along that road than we are. Or...accept we have to keep these players but freeze them out. Instead the likes of Berahino turns up in the starting line up. What do we think he's going to do after two years of abject failure? This is not a time for hoping for the best. Make it clear the following will not feature next season: Imbula Berahino Fletcher Affalay Adam Bojan None of them have anything to offer and will simply drag the club down. Instead, some of them make the first team. Incredible! What exactly have we learned from last seasons utter debacle. While I agree with you directionally, anyone with "drama queen" in their avatar can't expect to be taken seriously
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Post by Scrotnig on Jul 28, 2018 20:47:05 GMT
We should not necessarily have done all that but we should be further along that road than we are. Or...accept we have to keep these players but freeze them out. Instead the likes of Berahino turns up in the starting line up. What do we think he's going to do after two years of abject failure? This is not a time for hoping for the best. Make it clear the following will not feature next season: Imbula Berahino Fletcher Affalay Adam Bojan None of them have anything to offer and will simply drag the club down. Instead, some of them make the first team. Incredible! What exactly have we learned from last seasons utter debacle. While I agree with you directionally, anyone with "drama queen" in their avatar can't expect to be taken seriously Judge me by my avatar if it suits you to do so. You know I'm not wrong though. We are nowhere near where we need to be, in any area, on or off the field.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 28, 2018 20:47:07 GMT
So essentially what you’re saying is by now we should have made several more big money signings and “paid off” all our deadwood to make room in the squads for more signings. Are you Peter Risdale? We should not necessarily have done all that but we should be further along that road than we are. Or...accept we have to keep these players but freeze them out. Instead the likes of Berahino turns up in the starting line up. What do we think he's going to do after two years of abject failure? This is not a time for hoping for the best. Make it clear the following will not feature next season: Imbula Berahino Fletcher Affalay Adam Bojan None of them have anything to offer and will simply drag the club down. Instead, some of them make the first team. Incredible! What exactly have we learned from last seasons utter debacle. No point in engaging with him, he's the ultimate happy clapper on this board, he can not accept that our club makes fuck up's after fuck up's, I believe he was one of the last to realise Mark and his team were absolutely fucking wank which tell's you everything you need to know about him, the club chuck a rancid fish and he claps his hands as he swallows the rotten offering poor half wit. How's it going Prestwich thick as a whale omelette
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 28, 2018 20:51:21 GMT
You cant just freeze out that many of a squad though! Its just not financially viable. They are on decent money, and we cant just replace them, and if noone wants them we cant just offload them, and paying off contracts is just a no go, just wouldnt reflect well on the club at all. Why would it they have hardly broken fucking sweat for our cause have they, these fuckers especially Be a rhino have been lambasted by many football experts for their lack of professionalism, we are a fucking soft touch and they know it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 20:53:08 GMT
We should not necessarily have done all that but we should be further along that road than we are. Or...accept we have to keep these players but freeze them out. Instead the likes of Berahino turns up in the starting line up. What do we think he's going to do after two years of abject failure? This is not a time for hoping for the best. Make it clear the following will not feature next season: Imbula Berahino Fletcher Affalay Adam Bojan None of them have anything to offer and will simply drag the club down. Instead, some of them make the first team. Incredible! What exactly have we learned from last seasons utter debacle. No point in engaging with him, he's the ultimate happy clapper on this board, he can not accept that our club makes fuck up's after fuck up's, I believe he was one of the last to realise Mark and his team were absolutely fucking wank which tell's you everything you need to know about him, the club chuck a rancid fish and he claps his hands as he swallows the rotten offering poor half wit. How's it going Prestwich View Attachment thick as a whale omelette
Here he is, The Oatcake’s very own Tommy Robinson. Being called thick by crapslinger is like being called a shit babysitter by the McCann’s. No self awareness, no sense of humour, no topics of conversation unless they involve bigotry or casual racism. The turd that won’t flush on this board......
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Jul 28, 2018 21:00:17 GMT
No point in engaging with him, he's the ultimate happy clapper on this board, he can not accept that our club makes fuck up's after fuck up's, I believe he was one of the last to realise Mark and his team were absolutely fucking wank which tell's you everything you need to know about him, the club chuck a rancid fish and he claps his hands as he swallows the rotten offering poor half wit. How's it going Prestwich View Attachment thick as a whale omelette
Here he is, The Oatcake’s very own Tommy Robinson. Being called thick by crapslinger is like being called a shit babysitter by the McCann’s. No self awareness, no sense of humour, no topics of conversation unless they involve bigotry or casual racism. The turd that won’t flush on this board...... Add to that, one of the most negative posters on here and you're spot on. No longer read his posts to be honest mate. Think he needs to probably support Barcelona or a team of that ilk.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 28, 2018 21:06:14 GMT
While I agree with you directionally, anyone with "drama queen" in their avatar can't expect to be taken seriously Judge me by my avatar if it suits you to do so. You know I'm not wrong though. We are nowhere near where we need to be, in any area, on or off the field. You may have a point but the purpose of your avatar like the preponderance of your recent posts is attention seeking
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Post by Sfance on Jul 28, 2018 21:06:20 GMT
Fuck off to Barcelona makes a nice change from fuck off up the Vale!
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Post by Scrotnig on Jul 28, 2018 21:12:44 GMT
Judge me by my avatar if it suits you to do so. You know I'm not wrong though. We are nowhere near where we need to be, in any area, on or off the field. You may have a point but the purpose of your avatar like the preponderance of your recent posts is attention seeking It's kind of a bit of a joke, that's all.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 28, 2018 21:12:50 GMT
Yes absolutely, totally agree. But to be fair, that has got absolutely nothing to do with the point I was making in my reply to AOS's post. He and PP were saying that people should ignore preseason friendlies, I was explaining that Rowett won't, so why should the supporters? I didn’t mean people should literally ignore them although they’re usually pretty tedious affairs, I said they’re glorified fitness exercises that have no real correlation with the season ahead (in the main) so people shouldn’t read too much into them (for example in our last promotion winning season we drew at lowly Macclesfield and lost to lowly Tranmere Rovers a week before the season started) Especially when the window’s not closed and Rowett is blatantly looking to bring a few more in and ship a few out..... I think in the main, your last sentence is exactly what people are discussing.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Jul 28, 2018 21:14:02 GMT
Fuck off to Barcelona makes a nice change from fuck off up the Vale! Fuck off is a bit strong but that'll do I suppose 😂. He'd probably moan about Messi, calling him an overrated Argentinean midget.
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Post by jwhpotter on Jul 28, 2018 21:16:05 GMT
Hard to judge from a friendly but we do look toothless, MASSIVE week for the transfer pizza team
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 28, 2018 21:16:08 GMT
You may have a point but the purpose of your avatar like the preponderance of your recent posts is attention seeking It's kind of a bit of a joke, that's all. Fair enough but your recent posts are so negative they are positively benjiesque, and as a result are diluting the kernel of a valid argument
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 21:17:20 GMT
I didn’t mean people should literally ignore them although they’re usually pretty tedious affairs, I said they’re glorified fitness exercises that have no real correlation with the season ahead (in the main) so people shouldn’t read too much into them (for example in our last promotion winning season we drew at lowly Macclesfield and lost to lowly Tranmere Rovers a week before the season started) Especially when the window’s not closed and Rowett is blatantly looking to bring a few more in and ship a few out..... I think in the main, your last sentence is exactly what people are discussing. Really? There’s people writing off our promotion chances on the very basis of our recent friendly games......
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Post by andystokey on Jul 28, 2018 21:17:21 GMT
I think that one of the main problems with the team set-ups weve rotated is the "Rowett Effect" gets diluted down to nothing unless there is enough of his own type to lead by example. It's clear McLean, Ince and Afobe are more likely to stick to the script for more minutes.
Once they disappear and we get tired we revert to the Hughes way of playing. This is going to take weeks to drill out of them. I really think we need a new leader on the pitch to tear everyone a new arsehole when we slip into old habits.
Much as I love Ryan this player needs to be bang in the middle of the park and be able to direct our style of play.
I hope GR can find that playmaker because he isn't currently "in the building".
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 28, 2018 21:22:09 GMT
I think in the main, your last sentence is exactly what people are discussing. Really? There’s people writing off our promotion chances on the very basis of our recent friendly games...... I did say "in the main". 😁 I posted that before seeing that you'd got into a bit of a convo with some of the more extreme elements of the board.
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Post by Scrotnig on Jul 28, 2018 21:23:38 GMT
It's kind of a bit of a joke, that's all. Fair enough but your recent posts are so negative they are positively benjiesque, and as a result are diluting the kernel of a valid argument As soon as we have something positive for me to post about, you can be sure I will do so. At the moment, to be fair, I'm struggling on that score.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 28, 2018 21:30:07 GMT
Not at all but we do need to learn from the mistakes of the past, and it doesn't seem to me that we have. So essentially what you’re saying is by now we should have made several more big money signings and “paid off” all our deadwood to make room in the squads for more signings. Are you Peter Risdale? Whilst I completely agree with the main premise of your posts here, I think, to be fair, the Swansea and West Brom owners didn't come out and make a very public statement about there being a complete overhaul at the club. So in some respects, the expectations of the fans have risen due to their stated intentions, yet we still see the first team squad littered with players who are not fit for purpose. As Grapey said above, this week is a massive 7 days for the transfer team.
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 28, 2018 21:45:42 GMT
So essentially what you’re saying is by now we should have made several more big money signings and “paid off” all our deadwood to make room in the squads for more signings. Are you Peter Risdale? Whilst I completely agree with the main premise of your posts here, I think, to be fair, the Swansea and West Brom owners didn't come out and make a very public statement about there being a complete overhaul at the club. So in some respects, the expectations of the fans have risen due to their stated intentions, yet we still see the first team squad littered with players who are not fit for purpose. As Grapey said above, this week is a massive 7 days for the transfer team. As said for the past 10 years at Stoke City. You are right - we were promised major changes, in reality there have been none.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 22:10:22 GMT
So essentially what you’re saying is by now we should have made several more big money signings and “paid off” all our deadwood to make room in the squads for more signings. Are you Peter Risdale? Whilst I completely agree with the main premise of your posts here, I think, to be fair, the Swansea and West Brom owners didn't come out and make a very public statement about there being a complete overhaul at the club. So in some respects, the expectations of the fans have risen due to their stated intentions, yet we still see the first team squad littered with players who are not fit for purpose. As Grapey said above, this week is a massive 7 days for the transfer team. West Brom fired their chairman, chief executive and technical director, as well as bringing in a new management team if that's not an overhaul I'm not sure what is? Stoke's hierarchy have stated their aim is to bounce straight back. I see nothing to suggest that they still don't think that or that they're not actively trying to bring players in. The players who are no fit for purpose will end up being offloaded before the 31st August I would imagine. Imbula for example will end up on loan in France, Spain or Italy all of which have until the end of the month to do business. Shifting deadwood on decent salaries is probably one of the hardest tasks in football. Of course it's a massive 7 days, and it probably won't end there as I would envisage a couple of loan signings after the 9th to supplement the squad
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 28, 2018 22:15:25 GMT
Whilst I completely agree with the main premise of your posts here, I think, to be fair, the Swansea and West Brom owners didn't come out and make a very public statement about there being a complete overhaul at the club. So in some respects, the expectations of the fans have risen due to their stated intentions, yet we still see the first team squad littered with players who are not fit for purpose. As Grapey said above, this week is a massive 7 days for the transfer team. West Brom fired their chairman, chief executive and technical director, as well as bringing in a new management team if that's not an overhaul I'm not sure what is? Stoke's hierarchy have stated their aim is to bounce straight back. I see nothing to suggest that they still don't think that or that they're not actively trying to bring players in. The players who are no fit for purpose will end up being offloaded before the 31st August I would imagine. Imbula for example will end up on loan in France, Spain or Italy all of which have until the end of the month to do business. Shifting deadwood on decent salaries is probably one of the hardest tasks in football. Of course it's a massive 7 days, and it probably won't end there as I would envisage a couple of loan signings after the 9th to supplement the squad Stoke were obviously talking about an overhaul of the playing squad and I agree there is still time for that to happen. And I think people are perfectly entitled to discuss that overhaul, based on what they're seeing in the preseason games, as no doubt Rowett and his team will be doing also.
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Post by lordb on Jul 28, 2018 22:17:52 GMT
You may have a point but the purpose of your avatar like the preponderance of your recent posts is attention seeking It's kind of a bit of a joke, that's all. Absolutely no one is laughing Miranda would get more laughs on this board than you.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 22:18:12 GMT
West Brom fired their chairman, chief executive and technical director, as well as bringing in a new management team if that's not an overhaul I'm not sure what is? Stoke's hierarchy have stated their aim is to bounce straight back. I see nothing to suggest that they still don't think that or that they're not actively trying to bring players in. The players who are no fit for purpose will end up being offloaded before the 31st August I would imagine. Imbula for example will end up on loan in France, Spain or Italy all of which have until the end of the month to do business. Shifting deadwood on decent salaries is probably one of the hardest tasks in football. Of course it's a massive 7 days, and it probably won't end there as I would envisage a couple of loan signings after the 9th to supplement the squad Stoke were obviously talking about an overhaul of the playing squad and I agree there is still time for that to happen. And I think people are perfectly entitled to discuss that overhaul, based on what they're seeing in the preseason games, as no doubt Rowett and his team will be doing also. Perhaps when they mentioned an overhaul they were envisaging a few more of our better players leaving us? Bauer, Allen, Badou, Jack for example?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 28, 2018 22:20:35 GMT
Stoke were obviously talking about an overhaul of the playing squad and I agree there is still time for that to happen. And I think people are perfectly entitled to discuss that overhaul, based on what they're seeing in the preseason games, as no doubt Rowett and his team will be doing also. Perhaps when they mentioned an overhaul they were envisaging a few more of our better players leaving us? Bauer, Allen, Badou, Jack for example? I guess most supporters were hoping it was going to be a few more of our worse players. 😁 Still time yet of course.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 22:21:34 GMT
West Brom fired their chairman, chief executive and technical director, as well as bringing in a new management team if that's not an overhaul I'm not sure what is? Stoke's hierarchy have stated their aim is to bounce straight back. I see nothing to suggest that they still don't think that or that they're not actively trying to bring players in. The players who are no fit for purpose will end up being offloaded before the 31st August I would imagine. Imbula for example will end up on loan in France, Spain or Italy all of which have until the end of the month to do business. Shifting deadwood on decent salaries is probably one of the hardest tasks in football. Of course it's a massive 7 days, and it probably won't end there as I would envisage a couple of loan signings after the 9th to supplement the squad Stoke were obviously talking about an overhaul of the playing squad and I agree there is still time for that to happen. And I think people are perfectly entitled to discuss that overhaul, based on what they're seeing in the preseason games, as no doubt Rowett and his team will be doing also. You don't have to keep telling me people are entitled to discuss things on here I've been a member since day one I get how it works ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) I think we'll probably end up signing another couple permanently and then maybe using the loan market for another couple later on in August. A similar number will go the opposite way, anyone expecting more than that I think will be very disappointed......
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