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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 18:25:53 GMT
Only five friendlies? Not enough for me that. Hopefully we've played more behind closed doors. We need to hit the floor running in the Champo. I'm never overly worried about performance in a friendly. Yeah we were poor today and looked toothless but in reality it means nothing. You can't predict performances in a friendly with the real thing. Half of the players don't give a shite, the other there purely for fitness. Have we ever played 'well' in a friendly? 1984/85. We scored about a 100 goals preseason and then got relegated with 17 points
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 18:27:20 GMT
Clearly lacking upfront and depth. No real links either. Not looking to good in my eyes and I can't see us signing 3 players in a week! Defender, central mid and winger. We are pinning a lot on one striker to get us promoted because the rest are a waist of space.
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Post by datguy on Jul 28, 2018 18:27:38 GMT
Only five friendlies? Not enough for me that. Hopefully we've played more behind closed doors. We need to hit the floor running in the Champo. I'm never overly worried about performance in a friendly. Yeah we were poor today and looked toothless but in reality it means nothing. You can't predict performances in a friendly with the real thing. Half of the players don't give a shite, the other there purely for fitness. Have we ever played 'well' in a friendly? Macclesfield Town was behind closed doors.... Hopefully we've played a few more teams than that though.
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Post by tuum on Jul 28, 2018 18:31:03 GMT
Well, saying nothings changed is not too far fetched is it? From what I've seen so far, Rowett is looking to be tactically and player-wise, a British-style manager, preferring wingers, driving midfielders (except Fletcher) and players with good attitude. I have yet to see tactical flexibility and fluidity and technical style movement. Unless Rowett feels this is what works in the Championship, then I am wondering how we will outclass the opposition? I dread to think we are going to be dependent on crosses, long-balls and set-pieces. If these don't work, we will get stuffed by football-playing teams; like we are now with St.Pauli - managers and players have sussed out how to play against British-style long ago... All the evidence suggests that it is wages that determine success not managers.
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Post by Oopsupsideyahead on Jul 28, 2018 18:44:43 GMT
0 goals in 4,friendlies or not it's worrying. We have scored against Hamburg in the last 4. I do get your point however. My mistake, 1 goal in 5 isn't much better however. Hopefully he has some magic up his sleeve for Leeds.
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Post by hoofmagic on Jul 28, 2018 19:07:07 GMT
Is it just me, but i thought Berahino played quiet well in the first half ???
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 28, 2018 19:18:08 GMT
After watching Stoke for a few years now I've come to the conclusion that pre season friendlies generally give little indication of what lies ahead for the coming season. I watched today's game and found it dull with very little in the way of creative chances but that's what I've come to expect from friendlies. It's nothing more than a half arsed kick around and while I agree with a lot of the previous posts it's nothing to get too downhearted about at this stage. Let the season commence and see how we shape up when the real football starts. Do you not think that Rowett will to some extent, base his transfer needs, tactics and his future formations upon what he's seeing in the friendlies? He's weighing up the squad and assessing it. Same thing as what the supporters are discussing. But surely the ideal scenario Paul, would be to have you team in place for the last few friendllies so that you can work on tactics and formations. This last minute stuff is concerning, sounds like Ince isn't up to speed and any new signings will need time to gel. To see Fletcher et al featuring is of further concern
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 28, 2018 19:22:19 GMT
Do you not think that Rowett will to some extent, base his transfer needs, tactics and his future formations upon what he's seeing in the friendlies? He's weighing up the squad and assessing it. Same thing as what the supporters are discussing. But surely the ideal scenario Paul, would be to have you team in place for the last few friendllies so that you can work on tactics and formations. This last minute stuff is concerning, sounds like Ince isn't up to speed and any new signings will need time to gel. To see Fletcher et al featuring is of further concern Yes absolutely, totally agree. But to be fair, that has got absolutely nothing to do with the point I was making in my reply to AOS's post. He and PP were saying that people should ignore preseason friendlies, I was explaining that Rowett won't, so why should the supporters?
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 28, 2018 19:23:57 GMT
But surely the ideal scenario Paul, would be to have you team in place for the last few friendllies so that you can work on tactics and formations. This last minute stuff is concerning, sounds like Ince isn't up to speed and any new signings will need time to gel. To see Fletcher et al featuring is of further concern Yes absolutely, totally agree. But to be fair that has got absolutely nothing to do with the point I was making in my reply to AOS's post. Apologies, I'm jumping between threads speed reading 😀
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 28, 2018 19:34:39 GMT
What was the score?
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Post by superheroantonius on Jul 28, 2018 19:36:42 GMT
We saw today ,what lambo was saying , this squad lacks guts , energy and endeavour
We don't need more quality . We need more quality , guts , energy ,pace and endeavour
We need better players with more character .Etebo and McLean excepted , they looked up for it to me .
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 19:39:55 GMT
But surely the ideal scenario Paul, would be to have you team in place for the last few friendllies so that you can work on tactics and formations. This last minute stuff is concerning, sounds like Ince isn't up to speed and any new signings will need time to gel. To see Fletcher et al featuring is of further concern Yes absolutely, totally agree. But to be fair, that has got absolutely nothing to do with the point I was making in my reply to AOS's post. He and PP were saying that people should ignore preseason friendlies, I was explaining that Rowett won't, so why should the supporters? I didn’t mean people should literally ignore them although they’re usually pretty tedious affairs, I said they’re glorified fitness exercises that have no real correlation with the season ahead (in the main) so people shouldn’t read too much into them (for example in our last promotion winning season we drew at lowly Macclesfield and lost to lowly Tranmere Rovers a week before the season started) Especially when the window’s not closed and Rowett is blatantly looking to bring a few more in and ship a few out.....
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Post by Scrotnig on Jul 28, 2018 19:44:31 GMT
Yes absolutely, totally agree. But to be fair, that has got absolutely nothing to do with the point I was making in my reply to AOS's post. He and PP were saying that people should ignore preseason friendlies, I was explaining that Rowett won't, so why should the supporters? I didn’t mean people should literally ignore them although they’re usually pretty tedious affairs, I said they’re glorified fitness exercises that have no real correlation with the season ahead (in the main) so people shouldn’t read too much into them (for example in our last promotion winning season we drew at lowly Macclesfield and lost to lowly Tranmere Rovers a week before the season started) Especially when the window’s not closed and Rowett is blatantly looking to bring a few more in and ship a few out..... But we need actions, not words. We are looking very much like ending up at the usual annual excuses of "we were chasing a number of players but it didn't work out" that we have traditionally had when the window closes. And if that's the case...we are going down, not up.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jul 28, 2018 19:45:36 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 19:47:18 GMT
I didn’t mean people should literally ignore them although they’re usually pretty tedious affairs, I said they’re glorified fitness exercises that have no real correlation with the season ahead (in the main) so people shouldn’t read too much into them (for example in our last promotion winning season we drew at lowly Macclesfield and lost to lowly Tranmere Rovers a week before the season started) Especially when the window’s not closed and Rowett is blatantly looking to bring a few more in and ship a few out..... But we need actions, not words. We are looking very much like ending up at the usual annual excuses of "we were chasing a number of players but it didn't work out" that we have traditionally had when the window closes. And if that's the case...we are going down, not up. What actions are you looking for particularly? Running commentary on all our potential targets, blow by blow account of every agent we speak to on a daily basis?
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Post by Scrotnig on Jul 28, 2018 19:49:41 GMT
But we need actions, not words. We are looking very much like ending up at the usual annual excuses of "we were chasing a number of players but it didn't work out" that we have traditionally had when the window closes. And if that's the case...we are going down, not up. What actions are you looking for particularly? Running commentary on all our potential targets, blow by blow account of every agent we speak to on a daily basis? Signing some players.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 19:51:14 GMT
What actions are you looking for particularly? Running commentary on all our potential targets, blow by blow account of every agent we speak to on a daily basis? Signing some players. They’ve signed 5 and are looking to sign a few more.....
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Post by Scrotnig on Jul 28, 2018 19:55:21 GMT
"Looking" is what we get every season.
We are nowhere near where we need to be and as others have said we need at least four more players. Time is running out and most years this turns into nothing.
We also still have deadwood we need shipping out. Why on Earth the likes of Fletcher and Berahino are anywhere near our first team squad escapes me entirely. We also still have Imbula hanging about, and others. These people are the essence of relegation, get rid of them, pay them off, anything, but we don't, we stick with them, and if you always do what you've always done, you'll always get you've always got. In our case that's FAILURE.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 19:59:12 GMT
"Looking" is what we get every season. We are nowhere near where we need to be and as others have said we need at least four more players. Time is running out and most years this turns into nothing. We also still have deadwood we need shipping out. Why on Earth the likes of Fletcher and Berahino are anywhere near our first team squad escapes me entirely. We also still have Imbula hanging about, and others. These people are the essence of relegation, get rid of them, pay them off, anything, but we don't, we stick with them, and if you always do what you've always done, you'll always get you've always got. In our case that's FAILURE. If only it were that simple.....
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Post by Scrotnig on Jul 28, 2018 20:00:14 GMT
"Looking" is what we get every season. We are nowhere near where we need to be and as others have said we need at least four more players. Time is running out and most years this turns into nothing. We also still have deadwood we need shipping out. Why on Earth the likes of Fletcher and Berahino are anywhere near our first team squad escapes me entirely. We also still have Imbula hanging about, and others. These people are the essence of relegation, get rid of them, pay them off, anything, but we don't, we stick with them, and if you always do what you've always done, you'll always get you've always got. In our case that's FAILURE. If only it were that simple..... Other clubs don't seem to end up in quite this mess. Except Sunderland, obviously.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 20:01:05 GMT
If only it were that simple..... Other clubs don't seem to end up in quite this mess. Except Sunderland, obviously. How are Swansea and West Brom holding up this pre-season then enlighten me?
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Post by Scrotnig on Jul 28, 2018 20:04:35 GMT
Other clubs don't seem to end up in quite this mess. Except Sunderland, obviously. How are Swansea and West Brom holding up this pre-season then enlighten me? Bet WBA finish above us. Swansea, who knows, but it wouldn't surprise me if they did too. We really are very poor still, the manager's comments today tell their own story, and we are in a mess. The tonking we will get at Leeds next week might turn a few heads on here. Who knows.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 28, 2018 20:04:43 GMT
Another game scoring 0 and conceding!
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jul 28, 2018 20:11:22 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 20:15:01 GMT
How are Swansea and West Brom holding up this pre-season then enlighten me? Bet WBA finish above us. Swansea, who knows, but it wouldn't surprise me if they did too. We really are very poor still, the manager's comments today tell their own story, and we are in a mess. The tonking we will get at Leeds next week might turn a few heads on here. Who knows. I’ll answer then shall I. Swansea are having to offload their big earners and have currently signed a teenager from Sunderland. West Brom fans are getting extremely frustrated as they’ve got rid of Foster and replaced him with a freebie from Reading, bought a young lad in on loan from Leicester and Kyle Bartley....
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Post by mrred on Jul 28, 2018 20:16:36 GMT
Doesn't tell the whole story, they could have had a couple more. We could have had one if Diouf was of conference standard and not missed an open net.
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Post by Scrotnig on Jul 28, 2018 20:18:18 GMT
Bet WBA finish above us. Swansea, who knows, but it wouldn't surprise me if they did too. We really are very poor still, the manager's comments today tell their own story, and we are in a mess. The tonking we will get at Leeds next week might turn a few heads on here. Who knows. I’ll answer then shall I. Swansea are having to offload their big earners and have currently signed a teenager from Sunderland. West Brom fans are getting extremely frustrated as they’ve got rid of Foster and replaced him with a freebie from Reading, bought a young lad in on loan from Leicester and Kyle Bartley.... That's nice. We can just be third from bottom then.... And it'd be great if we COULD offload some of our big earners. Imbula and Berahino for starters.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 20:21:38 GMT
I’ll answer then shall I. Swansea are having to offload their big earners and have currently signed a teenager from Sunderland. West Brom fans are getting extremely frustrated as they’ve got rid of Foster and replaced him with a freebie from Reading, bought a young lad in on loan from Leicester and Kyle Bartley.... That's nice. We can just be third from bottom then.... And it'd be great if we COULD offload some of our big earners. Imbula and Berahino for starters. In other words you haven’t got a clue and would rather just piss and whinge without acknowledging that lots of other clubs are finding things difficult at the moment, far more than us in fact.....
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Post by Scrotnig on Jul 28, 2018 20:26:08 GMT
That's nice. We can just be third from bottom then.... And it'd be great if we COULD offload some of our big earners. Imbula and Berahino for starters. In other words you haven’t got a clue and would rather just piss and whinge without acknowledging that lots of other clubs are finding things difficult at the moment, far more than us in fact..... The failure of others is no defence for our own failure.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 20:29:10 GMT
In other words you haven’t got a clue and would rather just piss and whinge without acknowledging that lots of other clubs are finding things difficult at the moment, far more than us in fact..... The failure of others is no defence for our own failure. You’d be one of these people at work harping on about past failures rather than getting on with the task in hand. Negativity seeps out of your every pore.....
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