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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 25, 2018 9:26:26 GMT
Will if no one will be stupid enough to risk him poisoning their dressing room, why should WE be stupid enough to risk him poisoning OUR dressing room? So what do we do? Pay him off? Pay him but tell him to stay away? Give him a chance to turn up in time and train properly? No good answers We don't have to do anything do we? (Option 3). If you think that no team would take a chance on him because he would poison their dressing room, then logically we keep him away from ours, don't we? If you've wasted a ton of money on him, you don't compound that poor decision by making the situation even worse for your other players do you? Why would you do that?
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 25, 2018 9:32:24 GMT
I'd try and negotiate a contract pay and include a "non compete" clause that would in essence mean that if he starts earning over the duration of the remaining contract period we are reimbursed.
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Post by bambered on Jul 25, 2018 9:56:13 GMT
New division, new manager, new backroom staff, (many)new team mates.....new start?
Not that long ago he was called up for the England squad and was the subject of a £20m+ offer from Tottenham - and he's still only 24 years old.
If I was Gary Rowett I'd certainly want to have a good look at him!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 25, 2018 10:01:19 GMT
New division, new manager, new backroom staff, (many)new team mates.....new start? Not that long ago he was called up for the England squad and was the subject of a £20m+ offer from Tottenham - and he's still only 24 years old. If I was Gary Rowett I'd certainly want to have a good look at him! He was called up for the England squad in 2014. To put into context whether that was ‘not that long ago’ or not, it was three days before a Stoke team including Victor Moses and Steven Nzonzi, Marc Wilson (!) and Steve Sidwell (!!) powered by an out of his skin Bojan, turned Tottenham over at White Hart Lane.
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Post by tony1234 on Jul 25, 2018 10:25:06 GMT
Berahino? The fucking fucker’s fucking fucked. Just think that a few years ago he as ahead of Harry Kane in the England pecking order. What a waste. Worthless pile of shite. He should be sent back to Burundi without any spondulies or luxuries. That would teach the fecker not to mess with de Stokies ... sorry, can you be a bit clearer on where you sit on this issue? :-) (When I read your post, i sort of heard it as lyrics to a punk song!)
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Post by tony1234 on Jul 25, 2018 10:33:11 GMT
New division, new manager, new backroom staff, (many)new team mates.....new start? Not that long ago he was called up for the England squad and was the subject of a £20m+ offer from Tottenham - and he's still only 24 years old. If I was Gary Rowett I'd certainly want to have a good look at him! One of the good things about him for both us and journalists is that, if we keep our Oatcake posts or news stories, then we can recycle them each year without need to expend the effort of writing anything new. www.stokecityfc.com/news/hard-work-paying-off-for-saido
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 10:35:07 GMT
All about levels for me, same for any player.
Put him in the reserves and see how many he scores. If he scores lots then ask yourself if he's worth a place on the bench, which is the next step.
Constantly shoving out of form players into the first team in the hope that they will miraculously rediscover form from 3-4 years ago is one of the reasons we are where we are. PROVE yourself in the reserves and tbh you don't deserve that. I would have moved you on at any cost as you showed the world you didn't care about Stoke.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 10:35:20 GMT
People are forgetting that his wages will have halved as per the relegation clause?
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Post by foster on Jul 25, 2018 10:36:43 GMT
People are forgetting that his wages will have halved as per the relegation clause? Does that clause actually exist? ...and if it was enforced we'd have a lot more players jumping ship right now.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 25, 2018 10:37:05 GMT
He is going to put the yam yams to the sword tonight
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 10:39:44 GMT
People are forgetting that his wages will have halved as per the relegation clause? Does that clause actually exist? ...and if it was enforced we'd have a lot more players jumping ship right now. I'm not sure but I think those who deserve a renegotiated contract have received one or are at least having discussions (Bruno) and the rest have just accepted it. Players like Berahino, Adam, Cameron etc. haven't really got a leg to stand on have they? And they're not going to get the same money they were on last year elsewhere.
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Post by tony1234 on Jul 25, 2018 10:42:51 GMT
Does that clause actually exist? ...and if it was enforced we'd have a lot more players jumping ship right now. I'm not sure but I think those who deserve a renegotiated contract have received one or are at least having discussions (Bruno) and the rest have just accepted it. Players like Berahino, Adam, Cameron etc. haven't really got a leg to stand on have they? And they're not going to get the same money they were on last year elsewhere. It all makes sense... it would just be reassuring to know that's what actually happened. Saw post last night from April 18 which discussed a "leak" that our players would have pay cuts of 30-40% if relegated. (Alas still not low enough for some of our worst dross to be tempted to jump ship, which says something. Glad we acted quickly and proactively though with the players we want to keep....)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 10:51:49 GMT
People are forgetting that his wages will have halved as per the relegation clause? Good, so now he just doesn't deserve half as much. Put him on a piecework bench next to the kilns for a week, then see how hard he tries PLAYING football instead of working for a living.
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Post by lordb on Jul 25, 2018 13:03:47 GMT
So what do we do? Pay him off? Pay him but tell him to stay away? Give him a chance to turn up in time and train properly? No good answers We don't have to do anything do we? (Option 3). If you think that no team would take a chance on him because he would poison their dressing room, then logically we keep him away from ours, don't we? If you've wasted a ton of money on him, you don't compound that poor decision by making the situation even worse for your other players do you? Why would you do that? Suggestion is he's being good as gold at the moment, we've heard it all before. If he grows up then maybe you go with keeping him on the edge of the squad. Suspect we will have to pay him off though.
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Post by tony1234 on Jul 25, 2018 15:02:17 GMT
We don't have to do anything do we? (Option 3). If you think that no team would take a chance on him because he would poison their dressing room, then logically we keep him away from ours, don't we? If you've wasted a ton of money on him, you don't compound that poor decision by making the situation even worse for your other players do you? Why would you do that? Suggestion is he's being good as gold at the moment, we've heard it all before. If he grows up then maybe you go with keeping him on the edge of the squad. Suspect we will have to pay him off though. Good? Guess so - Funny mix of quoting the Bible and 'inspirational quotes' on Twtter - stuff about the Lord being the only one to fear - followed by quiet during the period the sordid incidents appeared in tabloids... now quiet again! Says something that God's can't help him.
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Post by kustokie on Jul 25, 2018 15:32:12 GMT
Advantages of keeping Beharinho - None Disadvantages of keeping Beharinho - 70k/week wages (= staff overhead) = 4m/year - Sends message to younger players that unprofessionalism is tolerated, even indulged. ("Be a victim to get attention.") - Sends message to rest of the team/ squad that your standards can be base without repercussions - Sends message to possible transfer targets that our club lacks ambition and a winning mentality - Distracts coaching staff / manager ... (and tea ladies) from activities that could contribute. - Distracts the team/squad by being a subject of jokes/banter/gossip/titilation - Denies a young (or indeed a useful older) player a squad place - Reduces brand value and diminishes the stature of the club through association with prostitution, drugs and general juvenile behaviour et al - Delays him getting the treatment he needs for his mental and emotional problems - Adds pressure to Board and senior management already accused of bad judgement - Threatens to bring further future shame on the club, due to erratic delinquent tendancies, which could distract from the season - Gives opposing fans a source of humour and mockery, which affects the emotions of the team during games He has a contract,we can't sack him. what do you propose we do The contract will only say that he is entitled to a certain amount of money over a certain period of time plus bonuses (I doubt he earned any). All contracts can be restructured to suit both parties. Offer to pay him 25% of what he would get for the balance of his contract in cash, negotiate with his agent, sign non-disclosure agreement, pay up and show him the door. Win-win. We get him off the books, he gets a stash of cash and can do whatever he wants as long as he doesn’t disclose the terms.
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Post by 11wilkosinateam on Jul 25, 2018 15:36:21 GMT
He has a contract,we can't sack him. what do you propose we do The contract will only say that he is entitled to a certain amount of money over a certain period of time plus bonuses (I doubt he earned any). All contracts can be restructured to suit both parties. Offer to pay him 25% of what he would get for the balance of his contract in cash, negotiate with his agent, sign non-disclosure agreement, pay up and show him the door. Win-win. We get him off the books, he gets a stash of cash and can do whatever he wants as long as he doesn’t disclose the terms. The risk your running there is that he signs for another Championship club for free, has a decent 6 - 12 months and then moves on for good money Id rather give him til Jan,if he hasn't looked like scoring regularly then look at mutual termination
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 25, 2018 15:40:55 GMT
He has a contract,we can't sack him. what do you propose we do The contract will only say that he is entitled to a certain amount of money over a certain period of time plus bonuses (I doubt he earned any). All contracts can be restructured to suit both parties. Offer to pay him 25% of what he would get for the balance of his contract in cash, negotiate with his agent, sign non-disclosure agreement, pay up and show him the door. Win-win. We get him off the books, he gets a stash of cash and can do whatever he wants as long as he doesn’t disclose the terms. Why would he bother signing that?
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Post by superheroantonius on Jul 25, 2018 15:42:20 GMT
Why can't he just disappear , like Robert Maxwell and Lord Lucan .
I am sure there are people who can " fix " this
I remember reading in the paper , about a nine year old girl , who disappeared , after using her mum's moisturiser , that is guaranteed to make you look ten years younger
Worth looking into
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Post by superheroantonius on Jul 25, 2018 15:47:22 GMT
All about levels for me, same for any player. Put him in the reserves and see how many he scores. If he scores lots then ask yourself if he's worth a place on the bench, which is the next step. Constantly shoving out of form players into the first team in the hope that they will miraculously rediscover form from 3-4 years ago is one of the reasons we are where we are. PROVE yourself in the reserves and tbh you don't deserve that. I would have moved you on at any cost as you showed the world you didn't care about Stoke. Well he definitely bottled it v league 2 Coventry Didn't get a kick Totally out of his depth So what level do you suggest ?
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Post by lordb on Jul 25, 2018 15:47:23 GMT
All about levels for me, same for any player. Put him in the reserves and see how many he scores. If he scores lots then ask yourself if he's worth a place on the bench, which is the next step. Constantly shoving out of form players into the first team in the hope that they will miraculously rediscover form from 3-4 years ago is one of the reasons we are where we are. PROVE yourself in the reserves and tbh you don't deserve that. I would have moved you on at any cost as you showed the world you didn't care about Stoke. For the umpteenth time WE DON'T HAVE A RESERVE SIDE.
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Post by reddipotter on Jul 25, 2018 15:48:21 GMT
As well as buying a number of hopeless players, Hughes also bought several who had shown talent previously. Sadly, he and his cronies hadn't a clue about man-management nor tactics so such players were left to sink or swim on their own. If Berahino is one of these, perhaps a manager with a few basic skills could bring out the latent talent.,
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Post by kustokie on Jul 25, 2018 15:56:34 GMT
The contract will only say that he is entitled to a certain amount of money over a certain period of time plus bonuses (I doubt he earned any). All contracts can be restructured to suit both parties. Offer to pay him 25% of what he would get for the balance of his contract in cash, negotiate with his agent, sign non-disclosure agreement, pay up and show him the door. Win-win. We get him off the books, he gets a stash of cash and can do whatever he wants as long as he doesn’t disclose the terms. Why would he bother signing that? Cash now is always better than cash later. If you win the lottery would you take all the cash up front, or take it in installments of 7% a year over 25 years? Only an idiot would not take all the cash up front. He can take his cash and go play for someone else. Even if makes a lot less with another team, he’s still ahead.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 25, 2018 15:58:00 GMT
Why would he bother signing that? Cash now is always better than cash later. If you win the lottery would you take all the cash up front, or take it in installments of 7% a year over 25 years? Only an idiot would not take all the cash up front. He can take his cash and go play for someone else. Even if makes a lot less with another team, he’s still ahead. Not if we get promoted and he gets a wage rise, it wouldn't surprise me if that was in his contract somewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 17:04:42 GMT
All about levels for me, same for any player. Put him in the reserves and see how many he scores. If he scores lots then ask yourself if he's worth a place on the bench, which is the next step. Constantly shoving out of form players into the first team in the hope that they will miraculously rediscover form from 3-4 years ago is one of the reasons we are where we are. PROVE yourself in the reserves and tbh you don't deserve that. I would have moved you on at any cost as you showed the world you didn't care about Stoke. For the umpteenth time WE DON'T HAVE A RESERVE SIDE. Put him in the under 21s then same thing (levels)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 17:07:45 GMT
All about levels for me, same for any player. Put him in the reserves and see how many he scores. If he scores lots then ask yourself if he's worth a place on the bench, which is the next step. Constantly shoving out of form players into the first team in the hope that they will miraculously rediscover form from 3-4 years ago is one of the reasons we are where we are. PROVE yourself in the reserves and tbh you don't deserve that. I would have moved you on at any cost as you showed the world you didn't care about Stoke. Well he definitely bottled it v league 2 Coventry Didn't get a kick Totally out of his depth So what level do you suggest ? Spirit level on top of a concrete patio , give him to the Vale as a thank you for all their support.
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Post by stokief on Jul 25, 2018 17:26:33 GMT
Maybe the penny has finally dropped that he's still a young bloke, with talent somewhere lurking in the depths who needs to keep earning ridiculous money to keep him in the lifestyle (?) to which he is accustomed. Should he bomb again he really is up the creek without and oar as I doubt he has that many other talents up his sleeve and I would imagine even he knows there wont be a queue forming for his footballing services. He's in a lower division, his 'hero' Kevin is here as a Coach and is working with the strikers. There are also a few new faces around who don't look to me like they'll stand much fart-ar$ing around. Time is precious for us and for him. He's supposedly quite intelligent. I have to say, I'm not that bothered what he gets up to in his private life where the laydeez are concerned but I do draw the line at any drugs, booze, laughing gas (cause you really do look like a prize twonk)and the inability to know what day you're playing a football match on, cause at the very least, he could set reminders on his phone
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Post by lordb on Jul 25, 2018 18:33:16 GMT
For the umpteenth time WE DON'T HAVE A RESERVE SIDE. Put him in the under 21s then same thing (levels) It's not though. Old reserve football was miles better than U23's.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 18:41:25 GMT
Suggestion is he's being good as gold at the moment, we've heard it all before. If he grows up then maybe you go with keeping him on the edge of the squad. Suspect we will have to pay him off though. Good? Guess so - Funny mix of quoting the Bible and 'inspirational quotes' on Twtter - stuff about the Lord being the only one to fear - followed by quiet during the period the sordid incidents appeared in tabloids... now quiet again! Says something that God's can't help him.That says far more about god than it does about Berahino
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 19:22:51 GMT
Good? Guess so - Funny mix of quoting the Bible and 'inspirational quotes' on Twtter - stuff about the Lord being the only one to fear - followed by quiet during the period the sordid incidents appeared in tabloids... now quiet again! Says something that God's can't help him.That says far more about god than it does about Berahino Indeed it says you think God only has a small letter where Berahino has a capitol, strange but true.
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