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Post by Absolution on Jul 22, 2018 14:51:37 GMT
Also, "what else are we going to do with him" is not a basis for a push for promotion. Not even slightly. You've put that needless interpretation on the comment. I just meant that if it works we get a decent striker and if it doesn't, we're no worse off than if we'd not tried. If Phillips thinks it's a waste of time, so be it. If he thinks there's something to work with then the club benefits. Not sure how it can be viewed any other way.
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Post by Scrotnig on Jul 22, 2018 14:54:35 GMT
Also, "what else are we going to do with him" is not a basis for a push for promotion. Not even slightly. You've put that needless interpretation on the comment. I just meant that if it works we get a decent striker and if it doesn't, we're no worse off than if we'd not tried. If Phillips thinks it's a waste of time, so be it. If he thinks there's something to work with then the club benefits. Not sure how it can be viewed any other way. He has proved himself a liability to us, and to WBA previously. He is an utter waste of space. He didn't want to play for us in the Premier League so why would he be interested now? He just wants to sit on his backside taking the money. Since we have no choice in that, it is exactly what we should be making him do, instead of giving him yet more chances to bugger up the team yet again. The bloke cant even score penalties. He shouldn't be anywhere near the first team.
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Post by Absolution on Jul 22, 2018 14:58:11 GMT
You've put that needless interpretation on the comment. I just meant that if it works we get a decent striker and if it doesn't, we're no worse off than if we'd not tried. If Phillips thinks it's a waste of time, so be it. If he thinks there's something to work with then the club benefits. Not sure how it can be viewed any other way. He has proved himself a liability to us, and to WBA previously. He is an utter waste of space. He didn't want to play for us in the Premier League so why would he be interested now? He just wants to sit on his backside taking the money. Since we have no choice in that, it is exactly what we should making him do, instead of giving him yet more chances to bugger up the team yet again. The bloke cant even score penalties. He shouldn't be anywhere near the first team. Fair enough. I just think we should do all we can to find a more productive use of the £45k a week or so that we're paying him for the next three years.
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Post by DunnetHeadMoonraker on Jul 22, 2018 17:40:55 GMT
I would advise Berahino to keep quiet and show what he can do on the training pitch and if selected in first team games.
During my long career in the further and higher education sectors I was well aware of students and colleagues with egos who bigged themselves up by telling me what they could do and would do. Often they failed dismally to deliver.
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Post by bobby1eye on Jul 22, 2018 17:51:01 GMT
I would advise Berahino to keep quiet and show what he can do on the training pitch and if selected in first team games. During my long career in the further and higher education sectors I was well aware of students and colleagues with egos who bigged themselves up by telling me what they could do and would do. Often they failed dismally to deliver. Ahhh you must have taught my paper boy😉
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Post by DunnetHeadMoonraker on Jul 22, 2018 18:15:00 GMT
I would advise Berahino to keep quiet and show what he can do on the training pitch and if selected in first team games. During my long career in the further and higher education sectors I was well aware of students and colleagues with egos who bigged themselves up by telling me what they could do and would do. Often they failed dismally to deliver. Ahhh you must have taught my paper boy😉 From your photo bobby1eye you must have been exposed to the ionising radiation from the civilian and military nuclear sites where I live.
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Post by bobby1eye on Jul 22, 2018 18:20:32 GMT
Ahhh you must have taught my paper boy😉 From your photo bobby1eye you must have been exposed to the ionising radiation from the civilian and military nuclear sites where I live. That's me with a mask on mate. I've got a blue eye and eyelashes Lily Savage would be jealous of.
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Post by westgatelakes on Jul 23, 2018 9:16:28 GMT
Of course we are. What else are we going to do with him? Play him in the reserves, rather than letting him mess up our promotion push. Unless, as I have long suspected, the club's owners do not want promotion as life in the Prem is simply too expensive to sustain. It's a lot, lot cheaper to run a mid table Championship side.erm no it`s not ! [/b]
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Jul 23, 2018 10:35:29 GMT
Didn't adobe score within five minutes if his debut?. He is definately a flash player
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jul 23, 2018 10:41:21 GMT
I'm happy to let Phillips try and get him going , lets face it what else can we do with him . Hughes should have been made to take him with him when he went , just about the daftest signing I can remember , came with warning signs flashing and once we signed him we didnt have a fucking clue what to do with him , the footballing equivalent of Brexit !!!!
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Post by Stretfordpotterer on Jul 23, 2018 10:44:34 GMT
I'm happy to let Phillips try and get him going , lets face it what else can we do with him . Hughes should have been made to take him with him when he went , just about the daftest signing I can remember , came with warning signs flashing and once we signed him we didnt have a fucking clue what to do with him , the footballing equivalent of Brexit !!!! Careful, most of the gammons are probably venting on a James Mclean thread somewhere, but you never know.
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Post by mrred on Jul 23, 2018 10:58:51 GMT
Well we've waited fucking long enough. Forgive me for saying I'll believe it when I see it.
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Post by ursemboys on Jul 23, 2018 11:09:05 GMT
Of course we are. What else are we going to do with him? Play him in the reserves, rather than letting him mess up our promotion push. Unless, as I have long suspected, the club's owners do not want promotion as life in the Prem is simply too expensive to sustain. It's a lot, lot cheaper to run a mid table Championship side. I hope you carry a toilet roll and a Samaritans card around with you.
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Post by lordb on Jul 23, 2018 12:12:40 GMT
Play him in the reserves, rather than letting him mess up our promotion push. Unless, as I have long suspected, the club's owners do not want promotion as life in the Prem is simply too expensive to sustain. It's a lot, lot cheaper to run a mid table Championship side. I hope you carry a toilet roll and a Samaritans card around with you. We can't play him in the reserves for the simple reason we don't have a reserve side. Irrespective of Berahino how are squad players supposed to challenge for the first team? How are the younger players supposed to demonstrate they are worth a go? How are players coming back from injury supposed to get some match fitness? Mind numbingly stupid,bring back proper reserve football.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jul 23, 2018 12:27:19 GMT
He does like an interview does Saido.
There must be an amoeba somewhere with a more interesting story to tell than this guy.
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Post by Scrotnig on Jul 23, 2018 12:36:17 GMT
Then pay him to do nothing. Which frankly even if we play him is what he'll be doing.
Useless waste of space and money who will never do anything but drag the team down.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 23, 2018 13:13:52 GMT
I hope you carry a toilet roll and a Samaritans card around with you. We can't play him in the reserves for the simple reason we don't have a reserve side. Irrespective of Berahino how are squad players supposed to challenge for the first team? How are the younger players supposed to demonstrate they are worth a go? How are players coming back from injury supposed to get some match fitness? Mind numbingly stupid,bring back proper reserve football. Central league !!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 23, 2018 13:28:31 GMT
He has proved himself a liability to us, and to WBA previously. He is an utter waste of space. He didn't want to play for us in the Premier League so why would he be interested now? He just wants to sit on his backside taking the money. Since we have no choice in that, it is exactly what we should making him do, instead of giving him yet more chances to bugger up the team yet again. The bloke cant even score penalties. He shouldn't be anywhere near the first team. Fair enough. I just think we should do all we can to find a more productive use of the £45k a week or so that we're paying him for the next three years. The money we are paying him each week pales into complete insignificance compared to what we'll lose if we're not 100% (and that's the important bit) focused on getting back at the first time of asking. We don't have the luxury of waiting around to see if Berahino can get his arse into gear, we dithered last January because he was waiting in the wings and look how that one turned out? He should be nowhere near Rowett's plans, he came out with exactly the same sort of bullshit talk last summer and it ultimately amounted to absolutely nothing. It would be a huge mistake on Rowett's part to place any faith in him whatsoever and I suspect he won't do either.
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Post by lordb on Jul 23, 2018 13:32:34 GMT
Fair enough. I just think we should do all we can to find a more productive use of the £45k a week or so that we're paying him for the next three years. The money we are paying him each week pales into complete insignificance compared to what we'll lose if we're not 100% (and that's the important bit) focused on getting back at the first time of asking. We don't have the luxury of waiting around to see if Berahino can get his arse into gear, we dithered last January because he was waiting in the wings and look how that one turned out? He should be nowhere near Rowett's plans, he came out with exactly the same sort of bullshit talk last summer and it ultimately amounted to absolutely nothing. It would be a huge mistake on Rowett's part to place any faith in him whatsoever and I suspect he won't do either. No he won't He will be behind Afobe,Crouch,Diouf, Bojan for sure. Might be behind Campbell and Ngoy too. And we might sign a striker (in which case presume someone will leave).
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 23, 2018 13:47:04 GMT
Fair enough. I just think we should do all we can to find a more productive use of the £45k a week or so that we're paying him for the next three years. The money we are paying him each week pales into complete insignificance compared to what we'll lose if we're not 100% (and that's the important bit) focused on getting back at the first time of asking. We don't have the luxury of waiting around to see if Berahino can get his arse into gear, we dithered last January because he was waiting in the wings and look how that one turned out? He should be nowhere near Rowett's plans, he came out with exactly the same sort of bullshit talk last summer and it ultimately amounted to absolutely nothing. It would be a huge mistake on Rowett's part to place any faith in him whatsoever and I suspect he won't do either. Spot on! If you were to extrapolate the logic of "hoping they'll show their expected/previous form", Berahino, Bojan & Imbula would all start.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jul 23, 2018 13:56:35 GMT
If Rowett has stopped looking for a striker in the hope that Berahino will come good then we really are fucked.
I doubt Berahino will make a match-day squad unless there are injuries to
Afobe Crouch Diouf Bojan Campbell my Nan
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Post by samba :) on Jul 23, 2018 14:28:16 GMT
If Rowett has stopped looking for a striker in the hope that Berahino will come good then we really are fucked. I doubt Berahino will make a match-day squad unless there are injuries to Afobe Crouch Diouf Bojan Campbell my Nan you missed out kevin phillips
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Post by tony1234 on Jul 23, 2018 16:38:37 GMT
I just hope upon hope the club have had a quiet word with Behainho along the lines of, "look, we know and accept that you are emotionally retarded, with a mental age of 5, and no charm or talent to compensation - but you did cost a lot. There is no way on earth you are close to being good enough for our U23 bench. But if you want to play again, the best thing we both can do is work on the veneer that you are reforming. Even though we both know that you should now be playing at the level of the pub leagues. We get you a loan, you get a new start so you can again spin a yarn to the totty in the local clubs and they won't spit their shandy out laughing at you, and we don't have to to haunted by our past... and we get a squad place back. Even if we don't fill that squad place with anything, it will still be a more meaningful contribution to our season than you filling it."
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Post by Absolution on Jul 23, 2018 17:39:47 GMT
Fair enough. I just think we should do all we can to find a more productive use of the £45k a week or so that we're paying him for the next three years. The money we are paying him each week pales into complete insignificance compared to what we'll lose if we're not 100% (and that's the important bit) focused on getting back at the first time of asking. We don't have the luxury of waiting around to see if Berahino can get his arse into gear, we dithered last January because he was waiting in the wings and look how that one turned out? He should be nowhere near Rowett's plans, he came out with exactly the same sort of bullshit talk last summer and it ultimately amounted to absolutely nothing. It would be a huge mistake on Rowett's part to place any faith in him whatsoever and I suspect he won't do either. I suspect there are a lot of players who Rowett would like to jettison who currently look to be in his plans, and I'd imagine Berahino would be near the top of that list. I'm not suggesting that we give him any preferential treatment or any additional time whatsoever, and I'm not taking anything he's saying into account either. I'm simply saying that IF he does it in training and in whatever pre-season games we have left, then for our sakes we should afford him the same chance as any other player on the books who isn't named Saido Berahino. Like I keep saying, if Kevin Phillips at this stage decides he's not worth persevering with then so be it. If Phillips thinks he's got him back to something like his best then we use him as we would any other player. I'm not suggesting any special treatment for him at all. I'm just saying we shouldn't throw away the key to his cell if he shows he can be genuinely useful to us.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 23, 2018 17:41:02 GMT
Cant help feeling we've heard it all before.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jul 23, 2018 22:44:53 GMT
Nothing would make me happier than seeing Berahino fire 20+!goals this season to propel us above Middlesbrough and West Brom. How much fun would that be? I’m all for giving him another go just on the off-chance of that happening. It’s not like anybody is going to come in and spend money on him.
I can just imagine to look on the face of the capped one as Saido fires in the winner at Boro away 😂
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 23, 2018 22:54:14 GMT
I would advise Berahino to keep quiet and show what he can do on the training pitch and if selected in first team games. During my long career in the further and higher education sectors I was well aware of students and colleagues with egos who bigged themselves up by telling me what they could do and would do. Often they failed dismally to deliver. So he should say nothing when interviewed and refuse to answer questions? How would that be interpreted? Where has he bigged himself up in this interview?
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 23, 2018 23:21:38 GMT
Cant help feeling we've heard it all before. Me too. But he's with us on a big wage so we might as well try get something out of him.
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Post by superheroantonius on Jul 24, 2018 14:04:39 GMT
Sam Gallagher in please Berahino out please
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jul 24, 2018 14:19:30 GMT
Fair enough. I just think we should do all we can to find a more productive use of the £45k a week or so that we're paying him for the next three years. The money we are paying him each week pales into complete insignificance compared to what we'll lose if we're not 100% (and that's the important bit) focused on getting back at the first time of asking. We don't have the luxury of waiting around to see if Berahino can get his arse into gear, we dithered last January because he was waiting in the wings and look how that one turned out? He should be nowhere near Rowett's plans, he came out with exactly the same sort of bullshit talk last summer and it ultimately amounted to absolutely nothing. It would be a huge mistake on Rowett's part to place any faith in him whatsoever and I suspect he won't do either. With all due respect Paul, the part about him saying the same last summer and it amounting to nothing is bullshit....it actually amounted to him being even worse and getting to a point where 2 managers didn't think him fit enough to play in the league we were in and him completely disrespecting any kind of authority by turning up for training and games at whatever time he could be arsed to throw the latest hooker out of bed and turn his xbox off Same old story with Berahino. Thinks if he says "Sorry i won't do it again" then that somehow buys him a license to carry on behaving like an entitled millennial. I know players are all about their wage nowadays, but i genuinely don't think i've ever come across a player who seemingly has such little interest in the actual game itself. Giving him more chances simply because he said sorry (yet again!) is basically rewarding him for acting completely unprofessionally for the last god knows how many years. He must leave these interviews and press conferences after each apology laughing his fucking arse off at the club paying his wage whilst rubbing his hands together in glee at the prospect of his next paypacket for doing fuck all. He can piss off out of the squad full stop and as you rightly say, 45k a week is sod all in the grand scheme of things. Playing him because "we have nothing to lose" is a terrible idea....if nothing else it stops someone else from playing who actually might be fit enough to improve. Berahino isn't going to improve for the simple reason that he clearly has no bloody interest in doing so whatsoever, if he did then he'd have been working to actually get fit back when he was at WBA
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