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Post by ST1 Stokie on Jun 19, 2018 9:09:47 GMT
Time to seal our qualifying for the next round I’d make a few changes Pickford Walker Stones Jones Rose Henderson Loftus Cheek Lingard Trippier Kane Rashford We need goals and lots of them too to give our players a big morale boost to go into the next round
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Post by mrred on Jun 19, 2018 9:14:29 GMT
Have to say, during the build up and watching the match last night, it's probably the first time in about 15 years I've felt any sort of investment and dare I say- attachment to England. What a difference it makes to have a (mostly) likable set of players. Seeing Southgate celebrate was a breath of fresh air from the stone faced / confused lesbians that came before him 'n all.
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Post by raythesailor on Jun 20, 2018 3:49:45 GMT
Would not be surprised to see Butland play. Southgate has been rotating the keepers regularly.
Who is his current favourite ?
The one he picks for the Belgium game.
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Post by jwhpotter on Jun 20, 2018 8:46:36 GMT
Would not be surprised to see Butland play. Southgate has been rotating the keepers regularly. Who is his current favourite ? The one he picks for the Belgium game. Not a chance, this is no time to be rotating keepers
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 20, 2018 9:13:28 GMT
No lingard for me. I thought he was poor today. With one goal in 13 Internationals he should be nowhere near the team. Vardy is the much better option. I don’t get this. They play completely different positions?
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Post by canadianmoose on Jun 20, 2018 9:47:56 GMT
I don’t like the 3 centre backs at the best of times but against Panama?
4 at the back and an extra forward please.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 20, 2018 10:20:43 GMT
I don’t like the 3 centre backs at the best of times but against Panama? 4 at the back and an extra forward please. Three at the back isn’t necessarily a defensive formation. We’re only playing one DM and it gives the wing backs licence to push on as well.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jun 20, 2018 10:28:32 GMT
Young didn't push on at all though did he? His pace is wanting and he has to switch onto his right peg to put a cross in...I don't recall him doing this. I must say, I found his selection the most surprising and somehow negated the whole point of three at the back. In a way, Walker could also play as righ wing back if you brought in Dier as a third centre back, given his ability on the ball and passing. He could bring the ball out and sit alongside Henderson when necessary.
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Post by daveandeddy on Jun 20, 2018 12:19:58 GMT
Lingard played well I thought. Missed some chances but the sign of a bad player is not getting into those positions in the first place, not missing them. a bit like Diouff ??
Rearrange BOLLOCKS TALK YOU
Lingard and Alli were gash on Monday ................... said as I saw it
Sign of a good team ? One who wins when playing shite ?
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Post by mattythestokie on Jun 20, 2018 12:41:11 GMT
Maguires first international competition so I think we can give him the benefit of the doubt for the first game. He carries the ball out so well which is what we need when using 3 at the back. And his threat at the other end will be something no one else can offer.
I wouldn’t change anything for the Panama game. Southgate will show he has faith in his choice which is right. No point chopping and changing after a win.
Vardy, Rashford and Loftus Cheek are the ones who need to be ready to step in if we need to change things up.
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Post by werrington on Jun 20, 2018 13:37:46 GMT
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 20, 2018 14:04:48 GMT
Young didn't push on at all though did he? His pace is wanting and he has to switch onto his right peg to put a cross in...I don't recall him doing this. I must say, I found his selection the most surprising and somehow negated the whole point of three at the back. In a way, Walker could also play as righ wing back if you brought in Dier as a third centre back, given his ability on the ball and passing. He could bring the ball out and sit alongside Henderson when necessary. Yeah, it would be better to upgrade on Young. Of all the issues we have though, I’m surprised people think we’re overly negative. To me this looks like a positive, fast young team that tries to play on the front foot?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 20, 2018 14:07:41 GMT
Lingard played well I thought. Missed some chances but the sign of a bad player is not getting into those positions in the first place, not missing them. a bit like Diouff ??
Rearrange BOLLOCKS TALK YOU
Lingard and Alli were gash on Monday ................... said as I saw it
Sign of a good team ? One who wins when playing shite ?
Diouf is better than Berahino for that very reason, yeah. I don’t think we played shite on Monday. We played very well for half an hour, ran out of ideas in the second half. It was patchy but there’s stuff to like. A shit performance from Lingard would’ve been one where he contributed nothing. His pace and movement to open them up and get behind them, to me, marked a good performance even if his finishing wasn’t the best. His energy and pace are valuable.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jun 20, 2018 14:17:02 GMT
Way to many negative comments about the performances.
Stirling had a decent game but he does run down a few blind alleys Alli starting very brightly but disappeared after he was clearly injured - should have come off earlier Lingard was excellent at drifting into space - on another day would have bagged a hat-trick
Still would like to see Vardy, Rashford & RLC getting more time against Panama just to give everyone some serious game time and prepare for later in the tournament.
There is NO STAND OUT team in the World Cup so far. We arent going to win it but on the other hand there really is no team to fear in the latter stages.
I would put us favourites if we had to play Germany tomorrow given their lack of pace and ageing spine of the team.
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Post by canadianmoose on Jun 20, 2018 14:40:35 GMT
I don’t like the 3 centre backs at the best of times but against Panama? 4 at the back and an extra forward please. Three at the back isn’t necessarily a defensive formation. We’re only playing one DM and it gives the wing backs licence to push on as well. Actually, I'm more concerned that it didn't work as an attacking or defending force. The 3 centre backs looked like they had met each other for the first time and Stirling really offered nothing in the role he was asked to play.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 20, 2018 14:52:00 GMT
Three at the back isn’t necessarily a defensive formation. We’re only playing one DM and it gives the wing backs licence to push on as well. Actually, I'm more concerned that it didn't work as an attacking or defending force. The 3 centre backs looked like they had met each other for the first time and Stirling really offered nothing in the role he was asked to play. Sterling didn't have the best game but we created a stack of chances during the first half, which at least suggests there's plenty to work with.
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Post by pez75 on Jun 20, 2018 14:54:42 GMT
The only change will be RLC in for Alli
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jun 20, 2018 14:56:29 GMT
Three at the back isn’t necessarily a defensive formation. We’re only playing one DM and it gives the wing backs licence to push on as well. Actually, I'm more concerned that it didn't work as an attacking or defending force.The 3 centre backs looked like they had met each other for the first time and Stirling really offered nothing in the role he was asked to play. Sorry but thats complete ARSE GRAVY. Look at the stats. 61% possession and 18 attempts with 8 on target and 7 corners. They had 1 shot on target The 2nd half was a bit of a let-down but the 1st half was the BEST attacking football by any team in the World Cup thus far. Wasnt perfect but still way better than Germany or Brazil could produce against similar weak opposition
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jun 20, 2018 14:58:16 GMT
It's typical of our narrow view to think we can make loads of changes against Panama because they're shit and we're great. When will we ever learn? He needs to start with as close to the same team as possible. Why wouldn't he? We can but hope that we might be two goals up and he can then make some changes but Monday was obviously his first choice team, designed to win and give us a good start. To pretty much guarantee advancing into the next round we need to win and even then, trust that Belgium beat Tunisia. Let's not get carried away...
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Post by canadianmoose on Jun 20, 2018 15:26:34 GMT
Actually, I'm more concerned that it didn't work as an attacking or defending force.The 3 centre backs looked like they had met each other for the first time and Stirling really offered nothing in the role he was asked to play. Sorry but thats complete ARSE GRAVY. Look at the stats. 61% possession and 18 attempts with 8 on target and 7 corners. They had 1 shot on target The 2nd half was a bit of a let-down but the 1st half was the BEST attacking football by any team in the World Cup thus far. Wasnt perfect but still way better than Germany or Brazil could produce against similar weak opposition Lol, ok. Other than the first 15 minutes I though the rest of the performance was ARSE GRAVY. Managed to take one chance. Players looking like they don't even know how to kick a football and then 70 minutes of dross until Kane pops up with that header in injury time. If that's what you consider the best attacking football of the competition so far then I cant help you. Both Portugal and Spain played better in their game.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 20, 2018 15:28:44 GMT
Sorry but thats complete ARSE GRAVY. Look at the stats. 61% possession and 18 attempts with 8 on target and 7 corners. They had 1 shot on target The 2nd half was a bit of a let-down but the 1st half was the BEST attacking football by any team in the World Cup thus far. Wasnt perfect but still way better than Germany or Brazil could produce against similar weak opposition Lol, ok. Other than the first 15 minutes I though the rest of the performance was ARSE GRAVY. Managed to take one chance. Players looking like they don't even know how to kick a football and then 70 minutes of dross until Kane pops up with that header in injury time. If that's what you consider the best attacking football of the competition so far then I cant help you. Both Portugal and Spain played better in their game. Portugal were entirely reliant on one man, they couldn't pass wind. We should have taken more chances, but creating as many as we did is a good sign, surely? The time to worry is when you're not creating chances, as the last two seasons at Stoke have shown.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 23, 2018 16:01:38 GMT
Looking forward to seeing Loftus-Cheek start.
Just get the feeling he could develop into something special.
It'll be interesting to see where he plays next season - Chelsea if they've got any sense!
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 23, 2018 16:07:37 GMT
Looking forward to seeing Loftus-Cheek start. Just get the feeling he could develop into something special. It'll be interesting to see where he plays next season - Chelsea if they've got any sense! He's definitely got something and let's be honest, he's a better player than Bakayoko for a starters.
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Post by Boothen on Jun 23, 2018 21:00:00 GMT
Well that was unexpected. Just had a walk down Sainsburys to grab a few munchies and the like. I had a red England t-shirt on and on the way down a few cars honked and gave the obligatory shout of "England" s they passed. Got into Sainsburys, walked down to the far end to see if they had anything decent on offer and when I turned into the end aisle there it was - a bloke in a Panama shirt.
You ever seen the look exchanged betwixt Peter Griffin and the chicken when they cross paths?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 21:03:21 GMT
Looking forward to seeing Loftus-Cheek start. Just get the feeling he could develop into something special. It'll be interesting to see where he plays next season - Chelsea if they've got any sense! He's a damn good player and why he's stopped at Chelsea for so long is beyond me, and as for that club, well words fail me. A chronic waste of talent and at a top club in any other country he'd have many more medals, appearances and caps IMO.
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Post by henry on Jun 23, 2018 21:14:02 GMT
30 degree heat, i will take a scrappy win. Steady progression from a promising looking side.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 23, 2018 21:31:44 GMT
I'd like to see Rose in for Young and that's about it really bar RLC.
I thought the performance against Tunisia was one of the better England performances in recent years tbh. It just lacked the finishing ability.
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Post by henry on Jun 23, 2018 21:51:52 GMT
I'd like to see Rose in for Young and that's about it really bar RLC. I thought the performance against Tunisia was one of the better England performances in recent years tbh. It just lacked the finishing ability. It was a very good performance first half. A bit concerned by the lack of ideas second half but Tunisia were really defensive. We have more positives than quite a few big sides have ATM.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 21:56:05 GMT
I'd like to see Rose in for Young and that's about it really bar RLC. I thought the performance against Tunisia was one of the better England performances in recent years tbh. It just lacked the finishing ability. Same but add Rashford for Sterling.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Jun 23, 2018 22:07:37 GMT
I'd like to see Rose in for Young and that's about it really bar RLC. I thought the performance against Tunisia was one of the better England performances in recent years tbh. It just lacked the finishing ability. My only concern is Kane being the only really natural goalscorer we're likely to have on the pitch at any one time. Sterling,Lingard and Alli seem to flatter to deceive in an England shirt, and none are the type of players i feel even 75% confident of scoring when in front of goal As you said, if we'd only been a bit more clinical i think a few countries would have sat back and been surprised and worried about how decent we looked. I was!
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