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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 23, 2018 20:26:48 GMT
It's absolutely pointless.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 23, 2018 20:35:56 GMT
To stop it being fixed maybe each team should have a var challenge like in Tennis? Its not fixed, its just really shit.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 22:15:59 GMT
you can't use it for anything subjective.
It's fine for offsides and if the ball went out of play, as long as it's done within 10 secs of the incident.
If you can't make the decision after a slow mo replay, it's not conclusive enough to give.
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Post by superleft on Jun 24, 2018 22:21:12 GMT
VAR will increase the chance of justice being done and that's good enough for me. It won't be perfect. It'll frustrate at times when subjective decisions don't go the way you want them to,but current refereeing frustrates more when you don't get a legitimate penalty or having an offside goal scored against you or a player not getting a red card. And one of the reasons it annoyed more was because football had an option in video refereeing but for a long time chose not to embrace it. I disagree. I accept the referee and assistants have to make pretty much instant decisions, so I can accept that maybe 1% of the time, they won't get it right. The expectation with VAR is they'll get it right all the time. I can't accept that the double rugby challenge on Mitrovic wasn't noticed. Those on Kane were bad enough, so you'd think that sort of thing would've been highlighted to the VARs. I think a good compromise would be allow 2 challenges per game, which would stop players constantly requesting VAR. If a challenge is found to be correct, then the team doesn't lose a challenge. It might even stamp out a bit of the cheating. I disagree that the expectation is they get it right every time. It isn't for me and I accept they will still miss things and get things wrong (depending on opinion and interpretation). It's just an additional tool for the refereeing team to use allowing them to correct a wrong decision which has been badly needed since the game started to be lose its sense of sportsmanship. Almost every game of football contains plenty of injustices. There will still be missed incidents. But if there are, say, 10 game changing wrong decisions in a game and VAR means 6 of them are overturned, yes 4 will remain, but it's 6 more than now. And that's a positive.
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Post by adi on Jun 25, 2018 6:53:25 GMT
It's absolutely pointless. It’s not tho. VAR could’ve allowed Ireland to qualify by ruling out Henry’s handball. So that one instance debunks that theory.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 25, 2018 9:03:19 GMT
It's absolutely pointless. It’s not tho. VAR could’ve allowed Ireland to qualify by ruling out Henry’s handball. So that one instance debunks that theory. No it doesn't. It's inconsistent and absolutely useless.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2018 11:39:05 GMT
It’s not tho. VAR could’ve allowed Ireland to qualify by ruling out Henry’s handball. So that one instance debunks that theory. No it doesn't. It's inconsistent and absolutely useless. Agreed.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Jun 25, 2018 11:49:16 GMT
I think after watching it for a couple of weeks it's clear it's always going to be subjective.
For me it should only be used in 2 instances.
1. When the referee has given a red card. The decision has been made and the game has stopped so it's not interrupted the flow and we all know that red cards effect let ruin a game as a spectacle.
Following the replay the "match referee" advises the ref that it's either correct or incorrect and the decision is overturned with a drop ball taking place or free kick if it's simulation etc..
2. If the ref has given a penalty.
Again the game has come to a natural break as it has been given. Upon review again if the "match referee" disagrees then a drop ball/free kick is given in the opposite direction.
Example being Lanzini last season.
For me if the ref doesn't give it then he simply doesn't give it and it's part of the game. The bigger injustice of the 2 is giving a penalty when it's clearly not or an incorrect red card.
Offsides are part of the game and to be honest when did you last see an absolute howler of 3/4 yards?
Overall I think it could work but if like to see it solely used for the above reasons.
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Post by kristoff on Jun 25, 2018 13:16:44 GMT
I’d personally like to see it used for all the play acting after a ‘challenge’. So sick of players screaming In agony when they weren’t even touched only to jump up and 5 seconds later sprint 30 yards to go on a counter attack
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Post by Stretfordpotterer on Jun 25, 2018 13:32:49 GMT
It’s not tho. VAR could’ve allowed Ireland to qualify by ruling out Henry’s handball. So that one instance debunks that theory. No it doesn't. It's inconsistent and absolutely useless. I'm really perplexed by peoples expectations that it must get every decision right, as though it's not worth doing otherwise. Not only that but a lot of people against it seem to think that "right" means exactly what they think should have been given. It's a hell of a lot less inconsistent than the man on the pitch. So far it has correctly overturned a number of poor decisions, it has yet to result in a correct decision being overturned incorrectly. No system will ever be 100%. It hasn't impacted the flow of any game that i've seen, it seems largely to have been used quite consistently to my mind, the only exceptions being two incidents involving the same ref. Englands appeal for clarification on holding seems to have led directly to more attention being paid. as far as i can see only good has come from it and more will come as they perfect it's use.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jun 25, 2018 13:39:07 GMT
I'd leave it in the hands of the players, 1 review for both sides across 90 minutes for use with penalties, offsides, red cards etc. If you're right you keep your review, if not you lose it. The fact you only get one means you can't just use it on anything frivolous and it would help with the flow of the game, rather than everyone looking over their shoulder to see if VAR has spotted anything.
Additionally, we have to hear the conversation between referee and VAR operators, its absolutely essential for transparency.
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 25, 2018 15:16:33 GMT
No it doesn't. It's inconsistent and absolutely useless. I'm really perplexed by peoples expectations that it must get every decision right, as though it's not worth doing otherwise. Not only that but a lot of people against it seem to think that "right" means exactly what they think should have been given. It's a hell of a lot less inconsistent than the man on the pitch. So far it has correctly overturned a number of poor decisions, it has yet to result in a correct decision being overturned incorrectly. No system will ever be 100%. It hasn't impacted the flow of any game that i've seen, it seems largely to have been used quite consistently to my mind, the only exceptions being two incidents involving the same ref. Englands appeal for clarification on holding seems to have led directly to more attention being paid. as far as i can see only good has come from it and more will come as they perfect it's use. I'm coming round to it a bit, but the Saudi penalty just now was a perfect example of it impacting the flow of the game. The players and ref must have been stood around for a good three minutes in the penno area, before the ref finally runs to the sideline to review it himself because the VAR couldn't make their mind up, another two minute wait... he gave the pen in the end but it was five minutes of standing around for a decision that even on multiple replays could have gone either way.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jun 25, 2018 16:48:19 GMT
It’s not tho. VAR could’ve allowed Ireland to qualify by ruling out Henry’s handball. So that one instance debunks that theory. No it doesn't. It's inconsistent and absolutely useless. Exactly this. How many blatant penalty decisions have been missed by VAR during set pieces when defenders have bear hugged and then thrown an attacking player to the deck. As plain and obvious a penalty you’ll ever see but not, apparently, for the VAR and whoever is reviewing it.
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Post by professorplump on Jun 25, 2018 17:01:16 GMT
No it doesn't. It's inconsistent and absolutely useless. Exactly this. How many blatant penalty decisions have been missed by VAR during set pieces when defenders have bear hugged and then thrown an attacking player to the deck. As plain and obvious a penalty you’ll ever see but not, apparently, for the VAR and whoever is reviewing it. If these are plain and obvious penalties then it is very concerning that the referee and his two assistants are not spotting them.
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Post by moz on Jun 25, 2018 17:03:37 GMT
After the Saudi vs Egypt. It's bloody useless 5 min for a penality which is still questionable. If VAR is the way to go forward then it should be also upon request from the teams' manager like in tennis and not only the ref.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jun 25, 2018 17:52:18 GMT
Exactly this. How many blatant penalty decisions have been missed by VAR during set pieces when defenders have bear hugged and then thrown an attacking player to the deck. As plain and obvious a penalty you’ll ever see but not, apparently, for the VAR and whoever is reviewing it. If these are plain and obvious penalties then it is very concerning that the referee and his two assistants are not spotting them. I’ve only watched half a dozen games but almost every game I’ve watched has had these incidents at set pieces right in front of the ref. The only time a pen was given was when Kane was hauled to the ground vs Panama. He had similar done to to him vs Tunisia at least two occasions that were missed by ref and VAR reviewer and saw it happen Argies vs Croatia and today Russia vs Uruguay. Tbh it’s bizarr that VAR is meant to pick up on these but fail to do so when we can see it so blantantly on TV replays. The VAR concept is ok but if it is going to be so blantantly inconsistent then there is little or no point in having it imo.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 25, 2018 19:11:05 GMT
More farcical bollocks. Load of fucking pish.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 25, 2018 19:12:14 GMT
Justice you preening cheating prick.
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Post by questionable on Jun 25, 2018 19:15:21 GMT
Scum of the earth, wish nothing but the worst of everything that comes your way.
There’s no reason to do what you did
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Post by goatbulgaria on Jun 25, 2018 19:15:53 GMT
What a load of fucking bollox this var is.
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Post by goatbulgaria on Jun 25, 2018 19:19:29 GMT
The worrying thing is if Iran had broke away and scored there'd be a riot when it was disallowed for the var desison
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Post by Dave the Rave on Jun 25, 2018 19:20:13 GMT
Hmmm... He was impeded.
Granted it's not the most clear cut but the guy ran in front of him whilst he was moving at pace.
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Post by questionable on Jun 25, 2018 19:22:27 GMT
It’s basically corruption on a worldwide scale, God I hate football when watching these crooks
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Post by mattador78 on Jun 25, 2018 19:23:08 GMT
Hmmm... He was impeded. Granted it's not the most clear cut but the guy ran in front of him whilst he was moving at pace. Thought that myself but I didn’t think it needed reviews it’s one that could and should just be the refs descision
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Post by Dave the Rave on Jun 25, 2018 19:40:31 GMT
Has to be a red card that.
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Post by goatbulgaria on Jun 25, 2018 19:41:18 GMT
Fucking wank this is
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Post by Dave the Rave on Jun 25, 2018 19:42:37 GMT
Now that decision was wrong.
Blatantly swung his arm towards the guys head. Minimal contact is irrelevant.
Intent was to hurt him unnecessarily.
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Post by andystokey on Jun 25, 2018 19:43:07 GMT
It can't be a red card review that turns into a yellow surely!!
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jun 25, 2018 19:43:09 GMT
Has to be a red card that. It's a fucking joke.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jun 25, 2018 19:44:10 GMT
Now that decision was wrong. Blatantly swung his arm towards the guys head. Minimal contact is irrelevant. Intent was to hurt him unnecessarily. He's gained a reprieve for being wank at elbowing.
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