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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 15:39:11 GMT
We'd be absolutely mental to not get Bojan and Imbula back here for pre-season & see how they fare.
It'd be like two brand new signings. Both of which, with their heads in the right place, would tear the Championship a brand new, shiny, arsehole.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jun 9, 2018 15:47:53 GMT
I love Bojan ---> "Give him a chance, He deserves it" I hate Choupo and Sobhi --> "Fuck them off the useless twats" We are not fair, Are we? It's completely fair. Bojan is a top guy with a great attitude, who has shown excellent ability in the past and has just suffered from things not going his way for a while. Form is temporary, class is permanent etc, I refuse to believe he's shot, he just needs help with his anxiety, an opportunity to play his way into form and the drop down into the Champ where the spotlight's off him could do wonders. Choupo and Sobhi don't give a shit about the club and have hardly shown any footballing reason to suggest we should give a shit about them either. I think that's fair, the reception they get is for a reason, it's not just random discrimination.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jun 9, 2018 15:50:41 GMT
We'd be absolutely mental to not get Bojan and Imbula back here for pre-season & see how they fare. It'd be like two brand new signings. Both of which, with their heads in the right place, would tear the Championship a brand new, shiny, arsehole. I'm sold on the Bojan arse-tearing. Not sold on the one-footed, zero-defensive-ability Imbula. Agree with you that it would be nuts to not see how they fare under GR in pre-season, though.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jun 9, 2018 16:18:37 GMT
Because he wasn’t doing anything really to be worth a place. I'm about 90% sure he scored then got dropped the next game (or the one after). Didn't he play away at West Ham, get the equaliser for us (good goal it was too), then get dropped the next match...then not long after, the blue rinsed one shipped him out on loan!!!
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Post by stokierich on Jun 9, 2018 16:21:53 GMT
Gary Rowett was on about the man management side of the game in one of his interviews he did last week and he will view things as a blank canvas.
If he managers to get in the head of those players they'll be a massive asset next season.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jun 9, 2018 16:22:53 GMT
I'm about 90% sure he scored then got dropped the next game (or the one after). Didn't he play away at West Ham, get the equaliser for us (good goal it was too), then get dropped the next match...then not long after, the blue rinsed one shipped him out on loan!!! That sounds about right. Didn't he score vs Leicester and then get sacked off as well?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 9, 2018 16:23:04 GMT
I'm about 90% sure he scored then got dropped the next game (or the one after). Didn't he play away at West Ham, get the equaliser for us (good goal it was too), then get dropped the next match...then not long after, the blue rinsed one shipped him out on loan!!! He came off the bench to score at West Ham I think. And to be fair the team was looking alright at the time, it was only a week or two on from the 3-1 against Swansea which was probably our best performance of the season.
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Post by harryburrows on Jun 9, 2018 16:30:14 GMT
Based on what? The away game at Spurs, or every bit of evidence we've seen post Rochdale? We need to stop clinging to unrealistic hope on some of our players (see Berahino) and start backing and buying players that are cut out to get us back up. How many times does it have to be pointed out that Bojan was in excellent form post Rochdale as part of the BMX side when Hughes got Stoke playing the best football since Waddington? Anyway I also think it's worth pointing out that the Championship is a lower level as such Bojan should piss it. It's also a lot more physical mate ,
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jun 9, 2018 16:30:21 GMT
Didn't he play away at West Ham, get the equaliser for us (good goal it was too), then get dropped the next match...then not long after, the blue rinsed one shipped him out on loan!!! That sounds about right. Didn't he score vs Leicester and then get sacked off as well? One tiny "letter" off making that sound so wrong!!! 😯
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jun 9, 2018 16:32:20 GMT
Didn't he play away at West Ham, get the equaliser for us (good goal it was too), then get dropped the next match...then not long after, the blue rinsed one shipped him out on loan!!! He came off the bench to score at West Ham I think. And to be fair the team was looking alright at the time, it was only a week or two on from the 3-1 against Swansea which was probably our best performance of the season. You got a better memory than I have Tox!!! 🤔
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Post by proudstokie on Jun 9, 2018 16:36:07 GMT
Benik Afobe will be to Bojan what Sidibe was for Fuller and legendary status for all will be sealed for ever more when we take the league by storm next year.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 16:36:50 GMT
Bojan needs to get back to the physique he had before his injury when he’d bulked up and looked physically strong on the ball, during his last spell with us he looked like a boy playing in a mans game unfortunately.
If he can do that and we have players around him to do all the dirty work he still could have a future. Has he got the stomach for it though, I’m not convinced if I’m honest.
Let’s not forget he chose to go out on loan last season when he could have stayed and fought for his place in the team....
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Post by harryburrows on Jun 9, 2018 16:37:24 GMT
I also think it's worth remembering that we have a huge amount of wages ( close to £300,000 per week by my reckoning) on players who couldn't even get near the bench last season .the reality of life in the championship is this won't be allowed to happen next season . So unless we can unload them I'm guessing the manager will have been told to work with them
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Post by chayzenbacon on Jun 9, 2018 16:37:30 GMT
I think Imbula is far and away the lostest of the lost causes personally I think it's a toss up between Imbula and Berahino for the lostest. Despite what they may have done in the past (1 good season for Berahino and 1 good friendly vs Stoke for Imbula) I don't expect either of them to ever make an impact on a professional English football match ever again. In Imbula's case the "again" might be considered superfluous.
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Post by bathstoke on Jun 9, 2018 16:45:29 GMT
We'd be absolutely mental to not get Bojan and Imbula back here for pre-season & see how they fare. It'd be like two brand new signings. Both of which, with their heads in the right place, would tear the Championship a brand new, shiny, arsehole. Abso£@#&!nlutly! They’re ours & we can do as we please...
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jun 9, 2018 16:49:54 GMT
Both Berahinho and Imbula need to be kept away from the squad
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Post by baystokie on Jun 9, 2018 16:53:44 GMT
Bojan needs to get back to the physique he had before his injury when he’d bulked up and looked physically strong on the ball, during his last spell with us he looked like a boy playing in a mans game unfortunately. If he can do that and we have players around him to do all the dirty work he still could have a future. Has he got the stomach for it though, I’m not convinced if I’m honest. Let’s not forget he chose to go out on loan last season when he could have stayed and fought for his place in the team.... Not sure in the modern game how a any player can 'fight' for his place. Clubs don't have reserve teams (nearest being u-23). The only place he can display any ability, temperament, bottle, determination, etc is on the training pitch which is no substitute for hard, competitive games. You can only 'fight' for a place by taking part in such games and for that you have to have opportunity and be played in the role(s) for which you were bought in the first place.
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Post by warringtonstokie on Jun 9, 2018 16:56:41 GMT
Wrong system for him again, he won't work in a 4-4-2 like they played, he's the kind of player we need to build a team around not just shoehorn him in anywhere. Its too much of a risk to build a team around a player that hasn't done anything for at least 2 seasons. Not when you know what that player is capable of at a much higher level. It's very clear now exactly why he hasn't performed like himself recently but there's still a hell of a player there.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 9, 2018 17:08:31 GMT
Bojan needs to get back to the physique he had before his injury when he’d bulked up and looked physically strong on the ball, during his last spell with us he looked like a boy playing in a mans game unfortunately. If he can do that and we have players around him to do all the dirty work he still could have a future. Has he got the stomach for it though, I’m not convinced if I’m honest. Let’s not forget he chose to go out on loan last season when he could have stayed and fought for his place in the team.... Not sure in the modern game how a any player can 'fight' for his place. Clubs don't have reserve teams (nearest being u-23). The only place he can display any ability, temperament, bottle, determination, etc is on the training pitch which is no substitute for hard, competitive games. You can only 'fight' for a place by taking part in such games and for that you have to have opportunity and be played in the role(s) for which you were bought in the first place. You can impress in training, cup games, sub cameos?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 17:09:51 GMT
Bojan needs to get back to the physique he had before his injury when he’d bulked up and looked physically strong on the ball, during his last spell with us he looked like a boy playing in a mans game unfortunately. If he can do that and we have players around him to do all the dirty work he still could have a future. Has he got the stomach for it though, I’m not convinced if I’m honest. Let’s not forget he chose to go out on loan last season when he could have stayed and fought for his place in the team.... Not sure in the modern game how a any player can 'fight' for his place. Clubs don't have reserve teams (nearest being u-23). The only place he can display any ability, temperament, bottle, determination, etc is on the training pitch which is no substitute for hard, competitive games. You can only 'fight' for a place by taking part in such games and for that you have to have opportunity and be played in the role(s) for which you were bought in the first place. You train with intensity and you show that you’re an integral part of the squad whether in the first XI or not and not act like a sulky child. That’s for starters.....
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Jun 9, 2018 18:15:03 GMT
I still say Bojan’s time at Stoke went to shit when Joe Allen arrived. If Joe remains at Stoke, I don’t see how the pair of them play in the same team.
Bojan is the talisman but he needs a solid midfield behind him cause asking him to defend is pointless. He is and was always the key to unlock a defence.
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Post by jeycov on Jun 9, 2018 18:25:17 GMT
Bojan needs to get back to the physique he had before his injury when he’d bulked up and looked physically strong on the ball, during his last spell with us he looked like a boy playing in a mans game unfortunately. If he can do that and we have players around him to do all the dirty work he still could have a future. Has he got the stomach for it though, I’m not convinced if I’m honest. Let’s not forget he chose to go out on loan last season when he could have stayed and fought for his place in the team.... Both Bojan and Shaqiri were prone to more injuries re “bulking up” by putting too much stress on certain muscles. Since January, Shaqiri avoided hamstring issues, possibly following a more balanced fitness regime Most of the squad struggled to be at their best regarding stamina issues, not sure that the players need to be running up mountains pre season, but I get the feeling that Gary Rowett will be preparing his squad for the demands of more games in the coming season
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Post by heworksardtho on Jun 9, 2018 19:03:06 GMT
He has mental health issues he’s finished as a pro footballer
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 19:08:21 GMT
He has mental health issues he’s finished as a pro footballer Not necessarily. That's a very narrow minded viewpoint.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Jun 9, 2018 19:12:20 GMT
He's broken. We don't need broken men in this squad.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 19:15:58 GMT
He has mental health issues he’s finished as a pro footballer Yeah, that Danny Rose as well. Likely starting for England at a World Cup! Totally done as a pro footballer. Should just sack him now.
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Post by kerouac on Jun 9, 2018 19:17:17 GMT
He has mental health issues he’s finished as a pro footballer Really......and when did you deduce this or did he tell you over a pint ? Yes,I read the Guardian article too but when I’d finished it I didn’t get the impression he was “broken”,I just thought he’d been honest in addressing the massive amount of pressure and expectancy he’s had thrust upon him. With less pressure on him in the Championship,he could come good again I’m sure and that would be fucking marvellous.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 19:17:33 GMT
He *has mental health issues he’s finished as a pro footballer *did have, he said around the euro 2008 tournament. Not now. and so what? Is Danny rose finished? mental health issues don't mean you're finished.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 9, 2018 19:19:01 GMT
He has mental health issues he’s finished as a pro footballer Yeah, that Danny Rose as well. Likely starting for England at a World Cup! Totally done as a pro footballer. Should just sack him now. I would presume he means the injury has messed with his head and has stupidly related that to having a mental health issue.
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Post by lordb on Jun 9, 2018 19:24:23 GMT
Not sure in the modern game how a any player can 'fight' for his place. Clubs don't have reserve teams (nearest being u-23). The only place he can display any ability, temperament, bottle, determination, etc is on the training pitch which is no substitute for hard, competitive games. You can only 'fight' for a place by taking part in such games and for that you have to have opportunity and be played in the role(s) for which you were bought in the first place. You train with intensity and you show that you’re an integral part of the squad whether in the first XI or not and not act like a sulky child. That’s for starters..... It is but in the past you had a viable reserve league as well. Not going to impress supporters in training. All football clubs have too many players who don't play at all. Bring back reserve football, absolute madness not to.
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