jamerg
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Post by jamerg on Jun 9, 2018 11:34:10 GMT
The Bojan thing is all about hope over expectation really, isn’t it?
But it seems to me that irrational hope is a big part of the experience of being football fan (and perhaps a Stoke fan in particular).
So I’m in. If there’s even a slight chance of Bojan doing something to get me off my seat next season, I’ll take that chance (however remote) over watching someone uninspiring huff and puff around the pitch every day of the week.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 9, 2018 11:34:51 GMT
Based on what? The away game at Spurs, or every bit of evidence we've seen post Rochdale? We need to stop clinging to unrealistic hope on some of our players (see Berahino) and start backing and buying players that are cut out to get us back up. I agree. I am as guilty as anyone dreaming of great comebacks, but then that is part of being a fan. I'd love to see Bojan working his magic, but realistically there is little to no chance of it happening. Many posters will deny it, but a lot of us are guilty of looking at the world through rose-tinted glasses. A lot blame Berahino, Jese, Wimmer etc. for our relegation whereas the reality is they actually played very little and the players who played the most (>30x) and are logically most to blame for relegation are Butland, Pieters, Zouma, Allen, Shaqiri, and Diouf. But we don't let logic get in the way of our hopes and dreams. We do need to accept that our team was the second worst team last season and those players who were sent away, were sent because they had failed to contribute. You can just as easily look at it as those players that didn't apply themselves, didn't do all that they could and actually be professional let us down by not being ready and able to play a game of football, if they gave a shit and actually tried they may have made the difference and help keep us up, thats what they were brought in for in the first place. I accept that we were the second worst team, but I think your logic is flawed.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jun 9, 2018 11:36:11 GMT
Of course he is going to at least give him a look over pre season why wouldn’t he , he won’t get the chance to sign players like Bojan, imbula, berahino ( some may say thank god ) but of their profile , if he could get any one of them let alone all three firing it would 1 make a huge difference 2 save using any budget 3 none have high if any resale value so it would rebuild an asset value .
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 9, 2018 11:37:10 GMT
Because he wasn’t doing anything really to be worth a place. I'm about 90% sure he scored then got dropped the next game (or the one after). On one of the occasions when he was dropped he’d had a barren stretch and the team picked up results-wise without him. He just hasn’t come close to looking like the player who could take on the world pre-Rochdale. Hopefully he can find some form but I’d be astonished if it was here.
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Post by cheadlestokie on Jun 9, 2018 11:38:57 GMT
I think Berahino is a lost cause but I would give Bojan every chance I could to try to get back his best form or anything near it.
I know neither of them but from a distance it seems to me that Bojan is a different character and desperate to succeed whereas Berahino just simply could not care less and continues to try to kid himself and the rest of us by his remarks about being in training throughout the break.
i would really like to believe him and for him to prove me wrong but I am not holding my breath.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jun 9, 2018 11:46:04 GMT
He’ll score 30 goals in this wankhole of a league, blindfolded.
As for you WD, you can fuck yourself with a thousand cacti right up your starfish, you worthless whore.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Jun 9, 2018 11:47:24 GMT
If he's up for it he's worth a try if he fits into Rowett's system. He's certainly got the ability and probably too much ability to just write off. If he starts a few games and he's shit and too lightweight then bin him off to the bench and no harm done. We've got to pay his wages anyway so we may as well try to use him.
Same with Imbula if his attitude can be sorted. He's got the ability and physical attributes to be a beast in The Championship but it's all down to his attitude and Rowett will need to be the one to judge that. If he's frozen out again or sent out on loan I'll accept Rowett's judgment.
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Post by warringtonstokie on Jun 9, 2018 11:47:57 GMT
There are many reasons why his loan spells didn't work out too well. Alaves were obliged to pay a fee after so many appearances and money is scarce for Spanish clubs of that size. The Bundesliga just doesn't suit his type of play at all. Technically he is probably the best player on the books right now and deserves another chance, if that doesn't work out then so be it but he's given everything he can to the club in the past whereas other fan favourites haven't and get chance after chance. He did nothing for Alaves when he did play. If he’d been tearing it up for them it’d have been a lot less of an issue. Wrong system for him again, he won't work in a 4-4-2 like they played, he's the kind of player we need to build a team around not just shoehorn him in anywhere.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 11:49:54 GMT
How many times does it have to be pointed out that Bojan was in excellent form post Rochdale as part of the BMX side when Hughes got Stoke playing the best football since Waddington? Anyway I also think it's worth pointing out that the Championship is a lower level as such Bojan should piss it. Only briefly was he in excellent form. He never came close to consistently hitting the heights of before and he hasn’t on loan either. That in no small part was down to the weird selection policy of Hughes. When he played him, he consistently took him off after 55-60 mins, then he dropped him for every other game. MH might have wanted to protect Bojan from the rigours, but it tore apart his confidence.
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 9, 2018 11:52:22 GMT
If Rowett is any kind of manager he will make his own mind up about the footballers on our books and not listen to any other tool.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 11:53:35 GMT
If Rowett is any kind of manager he will make his own mind up about the footballers on our books and not listen to any other tool. Why, who is he listening to?
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 9, 2018 11:54:54 GMT
If Rowett is any kind of manager he will make his own mind up about the footballers on our books and not listen to any other tool. Why, who is he listening to? Just saying.
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Post by juiceandbits on Jun 9, 2018 11:54:59 GMT
What have we got to lose, honestly? He's worth keeping around for a season. He's a lethal finisher and if we're playing in the counter he's going to be ideal.
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Post by philb on Jun 9, 2018 11:55:14 GMT
I fear this ship has well and truly sailed unfortunately.
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Post by baystokie on Jun 9, 2018 11:57:40 GMT
If Rowett is any kind of manager he will make his own mind up about the footballers on our books and not listen to any other tool. Why, who is he listening to? Hopefully, only those he trusts but that won't stop hundreds of voices banging his earhole with suggestions - eg, us!
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Post by Dingdangdoo on Jun 9, 2018 12:00:09 GMT
Of course he is going to at least give him a look over pre season why wouldn’t he , he won’t get the chance to sign players like Bojan, imbula, berahino ( some may say thank god ) but of their profile , if he could get any one of them let alone all three firing it would 1 make a huge difference 2 save using any budget 3 none have high if any resale value so it would rebuild an asset value . Christ, I need a reboot.....I’ve found myself agreeing with you 😱
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Post by lagwafis on Jun 9, 2018 12:02:50 GMT
I suppose the question is what system do you build him into? I always thought he looked best inside the penalty box where he can score goals. The more you push him away from the box the more he struggles. Lambert’s Wolves managed him out of the game brilliantly the other season and he looked lost picking the ball up near the halfway line. I never really saw him as a playmaker either, his passing was never up with Arnie’s or Shaqiri’s and he only ever managed two assists for us in the league (in the Everton 4-3 and when we lost at home to Burnley in his first season, according to Transfermarkt)
If Rowett can get something out of Bojan then fantastic. There’s not a player I’d like to suceed at Stoke more than him, but he’s been an exceptionally difficult one to place and his career is starting to fade out after a couple of unsuccessful loans
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 12:06:27 GMT
Why, who is he listening to? Hopefully, only those he trusts but that won't stop hundreds of voices banging his earhole with suggestions - eg, us! How dare football supporters with opinions have the temerity to express them!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 9, 2018 12:07:32 GMT
Bojan when he came back looked shit scared of contact. He can't carry that on if he wants to play for us.
His two loan spells have been dreadful and apart from his initial return with us, he was rightly dropped.
I hope he does get a chance but I'm not sure it's likely to work.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jun 9, 2018 12:08:18 GMT
Of course he is going to at least give him a look over pre season why wouldn’t he , he won’t get the chance to sign players like Bojan, imbula, berahino ( some may say thank god ) but of their profile , if he could get any one of them let alone all three firing it would 1 make a huge difference 2 save using any budget 3 none have high if any resale value so it would rebuild an asset value . Christ, I need a reboot.....I’ve found myself agreeing with you 😱 Wisdom comes to us all in time , don’t reboot accept it as one if the few benefits of the passing of time 😉.👍
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 9, 2018 12:10:13 GMT
He did nothing for Alaves when he did play. If he’d been tearing it up for them it’d have been a lot less of an issue. Wrong system for him again, he won't work in a 4-4-2 like they played, he's the kind of player we need to build a team around not just shoehorn him in anywhere. No responsibility whatsoever on his part yet again then. How unlucky can you get?
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jun 9, 2018 12:10:37 GMT
Rowett will have the pre season friendlies to take a look at Bojan,then decide if he wants him or not.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 9, 2018 12:10:45 GMT
Only briefly was he in excellent form. He never came close to consistently hitting the heights of before and he hasn’t on loan either. That in no small part was down to the weird selection policy of Hughes. When he played him, he consistently took him off after 55-60 mins, then he dropped him for every other game. MH might have wanted to protect Bojan from the rigours, but it tore apart his confidence. There were plenty of games where he was just flat-out anonymous.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 12:12:47 GMT
Wrong system for him again, he won't work in a 4-4-2 like they played, he's the kind of player we need to build a team around not just shoehorn him in anywhere. No responsibility whatsoever on his part yet again then. How unlucky can you get? In fairness it's not that remote a possibility that he's just gone to two hoofball teams is it?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 12:19:20 GMT
If this is true, i might actually spunk.
Talismanic players are hard to come by and expensive, and you need them to get out of the championship.
If Bojan comes back and tears up the league (he's easily good enough to), it'd be the best thing a manager has done at Stoke in a long time.
As for the post-rochdale stuff, i refuse to be drawn into an argument when facts have proven one side over the other countless times.
Let's get a 50 year old motionless Rob Huth back. SJW? injured all year, hasn't played well in years? course, love it!
But Bojan? Talismanic number 10 who'd easily be the best player in the championship? nah he's shite mate.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Jun 9, 2018 12:19:48 GMT
Fairly unsurprised by this. GR will be keen to prove he can manage superstars and despite his last goodness knows how many years Bojan is a superstar.
What I’m more sceptical of is whether we’ll get any joy out of him. He lost me in the Wolves FA cup and that’s despite being in attendance at WHL for that game but if we can’t shift his wages we’ll have to give it a go.
Personally I think there’s more chance of Saido being effective in this league but I’d prefer Bojan to an important player because least you know he’ll turn up on time.
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Post by canadianmoose on Jun 9, 2018 12:25:39 GMT
We just need to sign a “minder” for Bojan. Bit like Eddie clamp did for Stan. 😄
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Post by clarkeda on Jun 9, 2018 12:33:14 GMT
For all the people saying he can’t cut it.
Just out of curiosity do you reckons Bojan is better then Cairney at Fulham?
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Post by nickhfc on Jun 9, 2018 12:34:26 GMT
See Pej's article on how LMH did not use Bojan and Bony correctly: best insight I've seen.
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Post by mattador78 on Jun 9, 2018 12:42:31 GMT
Of course he is going to at least give him a look over pre season why wouldn’t he , he won’t get the chance to sign players like Bojan, imbula, berahino ( some may say thank god ) but of their profile , if he could get any one of them let alone all three firing it would 1 make a huge difference 2 save using any budget 3 none have high if any resale value so it would rebuild an asset value . You logged in on the wrong account? That’s legible and positive 😵
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