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Post by mattador78 on Jun 9, 2018 12:44:55 GMT
Bojan worked best with Jon Walters for us because he would harass and batter the defenders to create space for him
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Post by stokief on Jun 9, 2018 12:47:47 GMT
Bojan worked best with Jon Walters for us because he would harass and batter the defenders to create space for him I wish you hadn't edited the 'he' bit of the post
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Post by Bagwash on Jun 9, 2018 12:58:01 GMT
If this is true, i might actually spunk. Talismanic players are hard to come by and expensive, and you need them to get out of the championship. If Bojan comes back and tears up the league (he's easily good enough to), it'd be the best thing a manager has done at Stoke in a long time. As for the post-rochdale stuff, i refuse to be drawn into an argument when facts have proven one side over the other countless times. Let's get a 50 year old motionless Rob Huth back. SJW? injured all year, hasn't played well in years? course, love it! But Bojan? Talismanic number 10 who'd easily be the best player in the championship? nah he's shite mate. Excellent post. I understand that Bojan wasn't consistantly the player we all we knew he could be,but he was far from as bad as some on here are suggesting. As you state,he could be the best player in the Championship and I am convinced he is one of ,if not the best technical footballer in that division but theres only one way to find out and that is to play him. With his undoubted skills its a no brainer not to persevere with Bojan.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 9, 2018 13:03:36 GMT
No responsibility whatsoever on his part yet again then. How unlucky can you get? In fairness it's not that remote a possibility that he's just gone to two hoofball teams is it? Should he not do his homework a bit if that’s the case?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 9, 2018 13:05:58 GMT
For all the people saying he can’t cut it. Just out of curiosity do you reckons Bojan is better then Cairney at Fulham? Which Bojan? The one who tore up the league five years ago is. The one who did nothing at Alaves probably isn’t.
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Post by mattador78 on Jun 9, 2018 13:07:33 GMT
Bojan worked best with Jon Walters for us because he would harass and batter the defenders to create space for him I wish you hadn't edited the 'he' bit of the post Caught it as soon as the screen loaded it’s bad enough sorting out his ethnicity without confusing his gender
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 13:13:48 GMT
In fairness it's not that remote a possibility that he's just gone to two hoofball teams is it? Should he not do his homework a bit if that’s the case? Yeah of course. But i don't really have an issue with him giving people a clean slate and seeing what they're like. Especially with Bojan's quality, because he's a much cheaper option than finding a new top class number 10.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 9, 2018 13:20:56 GMT
Should he not do his homework a bit if that’s the case? Yeah of course. But i don't really have an issue with him giving people a clean slate and seeing what they're like. Especially with Bojan's quality, because he's a much cheaper option than finding a new top class number 10. I’ve got no problem with it either, it makes sense. I guarantee if it doesn’t come off though it’ll end up being someone else’s fault again.
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Post by jeycov on Jun 9, 2018 13:24:11 GMT
GR is giving every player that wants to stay, the chance to prove and to impress I think that it is very important to send out that message to both players and fans Bojan, along with every player at the club needs this opportunity, like others, he may decide to move on GR will also be very aware that most fans think highly of the player and having him back in the squad would be good for fans morale: as long as he is also wanted by fellow players (we don't know that) If it doesn't work out, then at least the opportunity has been there All players need to be managed with different approaches at the end of the day, GR will decide if it will work We can't afford to see if players 'work out'. We get one chance to see if we can get back up at the first time of asking and Rowett's focus should be entirely on that, nothing else. He shouldn't be hamstrung having to mop up somebody else's mess. Bojan, Berahino and Imbula have done nothing for two seasons to suggest there's any reason to go back to them now. If all three of them were on the books of (say) Swansea, there wouldn't be any clamour whatsoever on here for us to 'give them a try' and Rowett would be laughed at if he brought any one of them to the club. If any one of them had remotely shown anything of merit recently, then we would have been able to get rid of them but they haven't, there's a reason nobody wants them and we can't afford to allow that reason to hamstring our promotion push. Rowett doesn't have to worry about considering Wimmer because the club have done something about him, it's the club's responsibility to take care of the other three as well. Taking that decision as in the first week or two of pre season - I believe that the conversations re wanting to stay here are scheduled to take place ASAP or are already underway Whether they underperformed with different manager(s) and Rowetts approach will get more from any of them, we can’t be sure We agree to differ re giving them that chance, albeit in a short window at the beginning of pre season training I doubt that we need to sell before we buy We all want the best decision for the push for promotion
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jun 9, 2018 13:28:58 GMT
Personally I think GR should give both Bojan (he’ll score 30 in the Championship) and Imbula a chance to see what they can do next season, get Wimmer back from loan and go with Berahino up front.
Then we can spend season 19/20 in the Championship dreaming of promotion
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Post by ramin on Jun 9, 2018 13:29:05 GMT
I love Bojan ---> "Give him a chance, He deserves it"
I hate Choupo and Sobhi --> "Fuck them off the useless twats"
We are not fair, Are we?
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Post by madmickthe3rd on Jun 9, 2018 13:30:57 GMT
I fear that whilst Bojan could easily be the stand out player in the Championship this coming season, it just won't happen as every team will know that if they get some big hairy arsed defender to clatter into him in the first 5 minutes he will be anonymous for the rest of the game.
He just hasn't got the physical attributes to mix it in what is simply a 'battering ram' of a league and not really much about technical ability.
Shame really!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 13:34:16 GMT
We are not going to get any money for him, so why not welcome him back with open arms.
He may do nothing, but there is no harm in trying as he might be excellent.
Certainly you would hope a free role without defensive responsibility would be right up his street.
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Post by toppercorner on Jun 9, 2018 13:34:36 GMT
Can’t wait if this is true
Great player and one we’ve missed as we’ve had no creativity
“But he was poor after his injury” - was he fuck. Brilliant and with shaq and Arnie the BMX got national headlines
Dropped by Hughes for imbula (nzonzi’s ‘replacement’) and then amongst a very poor midfield
We wouldn’t have gone down with him. He would have created a few extra key goals
Very excited to see him again
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Post by itsmorethanagame on Jun 9, 2018 13:44:52 GMT
With regards to Bojan not being a Rowett type player and that he would never play his type, I wouldn’t be so hasty. He’s played Vydra in the hole, signed Jon Toral on loan at Birmingham who was their player of the season and signed Kasey Palmer on loan for Derby in January. So in a 4231 whilst he definitely likes strong runners, he does also seeem partial to a bit of trickery and creativity in the hole with someone who can score goals.
If we continue with the 4231, I’ve no doubt that Rowett would play Bojan in the hole if he was in form. Whether Bojan will be that player again it remains to be seen. I’d be tempted to have him in the squad this season and give him one last chance at a club where he’s loved to regain his form. It would be foolish to put our eggs in one basket with him though as many have stated, he’s done nothing for two years. But as long as we have other options available I would be inclined to give it one last go in a Lower tier which could give him the platform to get his confidence back. Behind a big striker like Afobe and with a solid platform behind him, he could get it back. If Allen stays though it would mean we would need a beast of a midfielder to sign too.
Rowett wants players who want to play for the club and who buy in to the team ethic. Whereas aBerahinio and Imbula fail here, Bojan scores. If we can’t get anyone to buy him, I’m all for giving him one last blast.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jun 9, 2018 13:53:25 GMT
If he is given the chance I hope he doesn't resemble a stray carrier bag floating about aimlessly in the wind because that's what I was watching with him at the end of his time here. He won't know what day it is if he ever has to play Rowettball. He'll be back in Spain quicker than you can say hoof.
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 9, 2018 13:54:49 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 9, 2018 13:55:24 GMT
With regards to Bojan not being a Rowett type player and that he would never play his type, I wouldn’t be so hasty. He’s played Vydra in the hole, signed Jon Toral on loan at Birmingham who was their player of the season and signed Kasey Palmer on loan for Derby in January. So in a 4231 whilst he definitely likes strong runners, he does also seeem partial to a bit of trickery and creativity in the hole with someone who can score goals. If we continue with the 4231, I’ve no doubt that Rowett would play Bojan in the hole if he was in form. Whether Bojan will be that player again it remains to be seen. I’d be tempted to have him in the squad this season and give him one last chance at a club where he’s loved to regain his form. It would be foolish to put our eggs in one basket with him though as many have stated, he’s done nothing for two years. But as long as we have other options available I would be inclined to give it one last go in a Lower tier which could give him the platform to get his confidence back. Behind a big striker like Afobe and with a solid platform behind him, he could get it back. If Allen stays though it would mean we would need a beast of a midfielder to sign too. Rowett wants players who want to play for the club and who buy in to the team ethic. Whereas aBerahinio and Imbula fail here, Bojan scores. If we can’t get anyone to buy him, I’m all for giving him one last blast. I've said something very similar on the Berahino thread. There's no harm in having Bojan on the periphery of the squad but if Rowett wants to play with a number 10, then he needs to go out and buy one, Bojan shouldn't even be in his thinking when he's considering who to recruit this summer. If Bojan then shows enough in training to warrant a place on the bench, great, if it ultimately then leads to something more, treat it as a nice bonus but up until that point arriving, keep your expectations realistically low.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jun 9, 2018 14:21:49 GMT
We are not going to get any money for him, so why not welcome him back with open arms. He may do nothing, but there is no harm in trying as he might be excellent. Certainly you would hope a free role without defensive responsibility would be right up his street. This with absolute knobs on. It's a total no brainer in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 14:24:22 GMT
If he is given the chance I hope he doesn't resemble a stray carrier bag floating about aimlessly in the wind because that's what I was watching with him at the end of his time here. He won't know what day it is if he ever has to play Rowettball. He'll be back in Spain quicker than you can say hoof. Your constant whining about Rowett is already boring, maybe wait a few games and see how it goes first!
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Post by fulagoals on Jun 9, 2018 14:31:23 GMT
I would imagine Mainz and Alaves are both playing to a similar standard of the championship most weeks. He has completely failed at both clubs has he not??
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 9, 2018 14:34:26 GMT
If this is true, i might actually spunk. Talismanic players are hard to come by and expensive, and you need them to get out of the championship. If Bojan comes back and tears up the league (he's easily good enough to), it'd be the best thing a manager has done at Stoke in a long time. As for the post-rochdale stuff, i refuse to be drawn into an argument when facts have proven one side over the other countless times. Let's get a 50 year old motionless Rob Huth back. SJW? injured all year, hasn't played well in years? course, love it! But Bojan? Talismanic number 10 who'd easily be the best player in the championship? nah he's shite mate. Excellent post. I understand that Bojan wasn't consistantly the player we all we knew he could be,but he was far from as bad as some on here are suggesting. As you state,he could be the best player in the Championship and I am convinced he is one of ,if not the best technical footballer in that division but theres only one way to find out and that is to play him. With his undoubted skills its a no brainer not to persevere with Bojan. Technically speaking he’d be among the best footballers in the country, never mind that division
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Post by biglad180 on Jun 9, 2018 14:37:32 GMT
bojan and imbula are our players still. if they want to knuckle down and give it there best shot its got to be good news. if not then sell them. im all for giving all our players a chance if they want to take it
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 9, 2018 14:50:46 GMT
He did nothing for Alaves when he did play. If he’d been tearing it up for them it’d have been a lot less of an issue. Wrong system for him again, he won't work in a 4-4-2 like they played, he's the kind of player we need to build a team around not just shoehorn him in anywhere. Its too much of a risk to build a team around a player that hasn't done anything for at least 2 seasons.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jun 9, 2018 14:54:10 GMT
Berahino is a complete write-off
Bojan and Imbula COULD be superstars in the Championship. If we get someone like Afobe in as the main striker that is bound to create space for Bojan to play to his best.
The issue is whether he is still scared of being tackled. If you play like a pussy in the Championship you are just going to be a spectator because its physical and the challenges will fly.
Bojan should look how Messi plays the game - he gets lumps kicked out of him in La Liga but he still tries to ride the challenges. There is room for a player like Bojan but he HAS TO BE UP FOR THE CHALLENGE.
Personally I think Imbula will be player of the season next year. Hes perfect fit for the Championship if we make sure he doesnt have too much defensive responsibility
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 9, 2018 14:54:41 GMT
With regards to Bojan not being a Rowett type player and that he would never play his type, I wouldn’t be so hasty. He’s played Vydra in the hole, signed Jon Toral on loan at Birmingham who was their player of the season and signed Kasey Palmer on loan for Derby in January. So in a 4231 whilst he definitely likes strong runners, he does also seeem partial to a bit of trickery and creativity in the hole with someone who can score goals. If we continue with the 4231, I’ve no doubt that Rowett would play Bojan in the hole if he was in form. Whether Bojan will be that player again it remains to be seen. I’d be tempted to have him in the squad this season and give him one last chance at a club where he’s loved to regain his form. It would be foolish to put our eggs in one basket with him though as many have stated, he’s done nothing for two years. But as long as we have other options available I would be inclined to give it one last go in a Lower tier which could give him the platform to get his confidence back. Behind a big striker like Afobe and with a solid platform behind him, he could get it back. If Allen stays though it would mean we would need a beast of a midfielder to sign too. Rowett wants players who want to play for the club and who buy in to the team ethic. Whereas aBerahinio and Imbula fail here, Bojan scores. If we can’t get anyone to buy him, I’m all for giving him one last blast. I've said something very similar on the Berahino thread. There's no harm in having Bojan on the periphery of the squad but if Rowett wants to play with a number 10, then he needs to go out and buy one, Bojan shouldn't even be in his thinking when he's considering who to recruit this summer. If Bojan then shows enough in training to warrant a place on the bench, great, if it ultimately then leads to something more, treat it as a nice bonus but up until that point arriving, keep your expectations realistically low. Bojan wouldn't be up for that though, he wanted out when he was on the bench in the Prem, personally I'd see if anyone wants him and offload him, he's on a decent wage and it could be used on someone Rowett may actually want and knows fully about and who's willing to fight for a place in the team.
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Post by Fred Ferret on Jun 9, 2018 15:17:52 GMT
Nothing to lose, he's our player. GR will stress test him PDQ, you can bet. If the player makes a decent start fine, if not, you can bet he will be faded out very quickly.
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Post by nott1 on Jun 9, 2018 15:26:39 GMT
He's still under contract, so we don't have to "get him back". He'll be in for pre season unless we let him go!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 9, 2018 15:29:45 GMT
Berahino is a complete write-off Bojan and Imbula COULD be superstars in the Championship. If we get someone like Afobe in as the main striker that is bound to create space for Bojan to play to his best. The issue is whether he is still scared of being tackled. If you play like a pussy in the Championship you are just going to be a spectator because its physical and the challenges will fly. Bojan should look how Messi plays the game - he gets lumps kicked out of him in La Liga but he still tries to ride the challenges. There is room for a player like Bojan but he HAS TO BE UP FOR THE CHALLENGE. Personally I think Imbula will be player of the season next year. Hes perfect fit for the Championship if we make sure he doesnt have too much defensive responsibility How do we do that though? He’s not a number 10 and if he’s playing deeper then he’s going to have some defensive duties. If Allen stays you can’t play them both in the same midfield and nobody beyond some daft children on Twitter would play Imbula over Allen, surely?
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 9, 2018 15:34:54 GMT
I think Imbula is far and away the lostest of the lost causes personally
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