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Jun 23, 2018 15:56:06 GMT
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Post by musik on Jun 23, 2018 15:56:06 GMT
But i don't see why there has to be a 'why'? that's my main point. We don't look for a 'why' in the lives of ants, or midges, or other animals. So why does there have to be one for humans? Because the 'why' is phase 1. Phase 2 is the observations of the results from phase 1. We as human beings should understand there is a 'why' in every living creature. Animals do certainly have feelings, more than some are aware of and their actions have consequences too - but for the lower life form, it's more a question of survival on a day-to-day basis. Do you by: "WE don't look for a 'why' in animals" mean us human beings? I'm sure dogs, cats, birds, horses, monkeys sometimes have at least touched the kind of philosophical thought "what's the ***** point", even if it was just for a second or two. Lower life forms might not have that capacity at all. But we got the brain for it. That's why. In theory, you could think of a person who hasn't asked himself about the 'why'-question during the whole life, but still have put every foot right through life in any situation, without any guidance. Pure Raw Talent.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 16:08:25 GMT
But i don't see why there has to be a 'why'? that's my main point. We don't look for a 'why' in the lives of ants, or midges, or other animals. So why does there have to be one for humans? Because the 'why' is phase 1. Phase 2 is the observations of the results from phase 1. We as human beings should understand there is a 'why' in every living creature. Animals do certainly have feelings, more than some are aware of and their actions have consequences too - but for the lower life form, it's more a question of survival on a day-to-day basis. Do you by: "WE don't look for a 'why' in animals" mean us human beings? I'm sure dogs, cats, birds, horses, monkeys sometimes have at least touched the kind of philosophical thought "what's the ***** point", even if it was just for a second or two. Lower life forms might not have that capacity at all. But we got the brain for it. That's why. In theory, you could think of a person who hasn't asked himself about the 'why'-question during the whole life, but still have put every foot right through life in any situation, without any guidance. Pure Raw Talent. phase 1 of what? What we recognise and observe from our brains is 1) completely subjective and 2) based on social preconceptions. I see no reason, beyond poetic hope and human nature to look for reason, for there to be any answer to 'why' at all. We're here because that's what happened to happen. Then we're not here. Having the thought 'whats the point' doesn't mean there is one.
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Jun 23, 2018 16:43:18 GMT
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Post by musik on Jun 23, 2018 16:43:18 GMT
Because the 'why' is phase 1. Phase 2 is the observations of the results from phase 1. We as human beings should understand there is a 'why' in every living creature. Animals do certainly have feelings, more than some are aware of and their actions have consequences too - but for the lower life form, it's more a question of survival on a day-to-day basis. Do you by: "WE don't look for a 'why' in animals" mean us human beings? I'm sure dogs, cats, birds, horses, monkeys sometimes have at least touched the kind of philosophical thought "what's the ***** point", even if it was just for a second or two. Lower life forms might not have that capacity at all. But we got the brain for it. That's why. In theory, you could think of a person who hasn't asked himself about the 'why'-question during the whole life, but still have put every foot right through life in any situation, without any guidance. Pure Raw Talent. phase 1 of what? What we recognise and observe from our brains is 1) completely subjective and 2) based on social preconceptions. I see no reason, beyond poetic hope and human nature to look for reason, for there to be any answer to 'why' at all. We're here because that's what happened to happen. Then we're not here. Having the thought 'whats the point' doesn't mean there is one. Phase 1 is the understanding of why we're here. Having the thought 'what's the point' doesn't mean there is one is correct. But it's a good start. Reincarnation is the only fair solution. Life would be an unfair and feeble thing otherwise. If actions had no consequences I could do anything.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 17:46:28 GMT
phase 1 of what? What we recognise and observe from our brains is 1) completely subjective and 2) based on social preconceptions. I see no reason, beyond poetic hope and human nature to look for reason, for there to be any answer to 'why' at all. We're here because that's what happened to happen. Then we're not here. Having the thought 'whats the point' doesn't mean there is one. Phase 1 is the understanding of why we're here. Having the thought 'what's the point' doesn't mean there is one is correct. But it's a good start. Reincarnation is the only fair solution. Life would be an unfair and feeble thing otherwise. If actions had no consequences I could do anything. I don't see why there should be a fair solution? There's absolutely no reproducible (or otherwise) evidence of reincarnation and it doesn't account for the billions of years of history before humans, and without life on Earth. I don't think actions have consequences on a large scale, beyond societal views. Society's views of right and wrong change over time, and some action has different consequences in different times, or even for different people in the same time (see criminal sentences of politicians against normal people for the same crime). So technically, you can do anything. The only thing that stops you is the fact that society has measures in place to stop what it believes to be 'wrong', i.e. the police, the courts, etc etc.
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Jun 23, 2018 18:00:21 GMT
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Post by musik on Jun 23, 2018 18:00:21 GMT
Phase 1 is the understanding of why we're here. Having the thought 'what's the point' doesn't mean there is one is correct. But it's a good start. Reincarnation is the only fair solution. Life would be an unfair and feeble thing otherwise. If actions had no consequences I could do anything. I don't see why there should be a fair solution? There's absolutely no reproducible (or otherwise) evidence of reincarnation and it doesn't account for the billions of years of history before humans, and without life on Earth. I don't think actions have consequences on a large scale, beyond societal views. Society's views of right and wrong change over time, and some action has different consequences in different times, or even for different people in the same time (see criminal sentences of politicians against normal people for the same crime). So technically, you can do anything. The only thing that stops you is the fact that society has measures in place to stop what it believes to be 'wrong', i.e. the police, the courts, etc etc. Why continue living in the first place, if it isn't fair? I don't think I would. I'm not only thinking about bad things that would get me in jail because of societal laws. I'm talking about all those little things every day, like being polite and not an egoist or rescuing an injured creature. All those things count I hope. Since society do change as you mentioned, I'm only for real responsible in front of the Creator.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 19:19:12 GMT
I don't see why there should be a fair solution? There's absolutely no reproducible (or otherwise) evidence of reincarnation and it doesn't account for the billions of years of history before humans, and without life on Earth. I don't think actions have consequences on a large scale, beyond societal views. Society's views of right and wrong change over time, and some action has different consequences in different times, or even for different people in the same time (see criminal sentences of politicians against normal people for the same crime). So technically, you can do anything. The only thing that stops you is the fact that society has measures in place to stop what it believes to be 'wrong', i.e. the police, the courts, etc etc. Why continue living in the first place, if it isn't fair? I don't think I would. I'm not only thinking about bad things that would get me in jail because of societal laws. I'm talking about all those little things every day, like being polite and not an egoist or rescuing an injured creature. All those things count I hope. Since society do change as you mentioned, I'm only for real responsible in front of the Creator. I don't think there is a reason to. Im aware people prefer to see a reason in order to make it worth living, but i see it as a case of: 'there is no reason or purpose, so just make yourself as happy as possible and try not to make others upset.' I think they count in your conscience and releasing chemicals that make you happy, but there's no reason they're actually worth anything post-life. I don't believe in the creator, (certainly not in the manmade religion sense) which probably influences both our views, and i see my only responsibility as making my life happy and fun, so that it's better than the alternative, which is an eternity of nothingness. Part of that is making sure others aren't hurt by my actions too, from my conscience, which is probably an evolutionary thing with regards to our social statuses when we were hunter gatherers, and even before that. But yeah, in summation, there's no point in living, so make your life happy and help others do the same!
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Jun 23, 2018 20:48:35 GMT
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Post by musik on Jun 23, 2018 20:48:35 GMT
Why continue living in the first place, if it isn't fair? I don't think I would. I'm not only thinking about bad things that would get me in jail because of societal laws. I'm talking about all those little things every day, like being polite and not an egoist or rescuing an injured creature. All those things count I hope. Since society do change as you mentioned, I'm only for real responsible in front of the Creator. I don't think there is a reason to. Im aware people prefer to see a reason in order to make it worth living, but i see it as a case of: 'there is no reason or purpose, so just make yourself as happy as possible and try not to make others upset.' I think they count in your conscience and releasing chemicals that make you happy, but there's no reason they're actually worth anything post-life. I don't believe in the creator, (certainly not in the manmade religion sense) which probably influences both our views, and i see my only responsibility as making my life happy and fun, so that it's better than the alternative, which is an eternity of nothingness. Part of that is making sure others aren't hurt by my actions too, from my conscience, which is probably an evolutionary thing with regards to our social statuses when we were hunter gatherers, and even before that. But yeah, in summation, there's no point in living, so make your life happy and help others do the same! Aha ok, so you don't believe Hell actually is the life we live here on Earth? And you don't promote the idea "Life is suffering", like Buddha said? And you do not beat yourself with a belt each night in front of an altar? [irony] But you do like the Black Adder episode when Black Adder meet a couple of extremely religious people (man & woman) and they say Laughing is a Satan thing? Hilarious! 🤣
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Jun 23, 2018 23:37:48 GMT
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Post by musik on Jun 23, 2018 23:37:48 GMT
Back on track - Mediums it was
Has anyone seen a ghost lately?
I haven't for some years.
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Jul 21, 2018 10:04:45 GMT
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Post by musik on Jul 21, 2018 10:04:45 GMT
My opinion: To die is a phase. But yes, w UIhen you've gone through that process and actually are completely gone - then you won't remember a thing. We are all reset. Thats a scary thought from the perspective of this life, being reset but perhaps less so from that side. You might appreciate the books of Michael Newton?? I do. I borrowed it and I'm reading it now. Fascinating stuff. It seems as what I experienced has an explanation, since it differs a bit from other stories. I had done my share. Will come back to comments on this book when I've finished it.
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Post by lordb on Jul 21, 2018 13:49:43 GMT
Back on track - Mediums it was Has anyone seen a ghost lately? I haven't for some years. Not since I was a small child.
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Post by musik on Jul 21, 2018 14:11:55 GMT
Back on track - Mediums it was Has anyone seen a ghost lately? I haven't for some years. Not since I was a small child. Ok. 👍 In my life, I've seen both white, grey and black phantoms. A close friend told me I must be a medium therefore. I doubt it! 😀
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2018 14:29:41 GMT
I thought I was a medium The wife put me right saying you're an XL you fat git I turned white as a ghost She turned over Now I'm looking for some fiends with bennefits Is there anybody there?
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Dec 15, 2018 3:21:13 GMT
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Post by musik on Dec 15, 2018 3:21:13 GMT
If mediums can get in touch with the dead,what will be the point in saying RIP after someone dies? 👍 Basically, there are two ways to see what happens after death. 1) You're dead means you do not exist anymore. So how can anyone who does not exist rest? 2) You live again, either in the spiritual world or back to earth or on another earth in another galaxy. No room for rest there either, as I see it.
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Dec 15, 2018 3:45:47 GMT
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Post by musik on Dec 15, 2018 3:45:47 GMT
My opinion: To die is a phase. But yes, w UIhen you've gone through that process and actually are completely gone - then you won't remember a thing. We are all reset. Thats a scary thought from the perspective of this life, being reset but perhaps less so from that side. You might appreciate the books of Michael Newton?? Yes I did. I finished "Journey of the souls" last Sunday very early morning. One of the best books I've read. The parts where he wants to figure out how things are organized up there were too long though. Most interesting facts: the different levels of souls - beginner, middle and advanced. And the understanding, an advanced soul isn't automatically "better" than a beginner soul. It depends on age. And the things about a co-existing splitted soul and the place in the brain. And the parts on stimulantia and criminality. The explanation why we are here. In fact it's the 1st time I've ever seen an explanation on that in a book.
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Post by 3putts on Dec 15, 2018 6:10:24 GMT
where there is money to be made you will allways find people prepared to fleece the guillable.
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Dec 15, 2018 10:48:33 GMT
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Post by musik on Dec 15, 2018 10:48:33 GMT
where there is money to be made you will allways find people prepared to fleece the guillable. And in this case, with mediums, let's imagine there IS an afterlife: I think the outcome of their lives is obvious then.
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Post by musik on Dec 15, 2018 12:28:11 GMT
I think I'm probably deviating away from the essence of the thread but I have just always struggled to understand what is the point or meaning of life itself. After all, we are born, go through the "system", in a nutshell - school, college/Uni, get a job, meet a partner, maybe have kids, retire, and ultimately die, and just become a memory for a few people, or in many cases are just completely forgotten. How many of us can name our great grand-parents'or even know that much about them ? The majority struggle through the shit life throws at us, maybe have nice holidays, and then the lights go out and we're just as dead as those who have had fame, fortune or any prominence during life. And after all of life's ups and downs, just what is the point ? I've always had difficulties to find an explanation of the meaning in books and at seminars about it myself. Simply because I don't think they give one, even when they say they've just done. After a book recommendation from "Trent" here at the Oatcake, namely Michael Newton "Journey of Souls", I finally got one. Whether anyone think it's a correct explanation or not is another question - at least the book gives one! It says the meaning is for the fun of God. You can see life like a theather play, we're the actors and God's the director. He already knows everything that will happen. In the spiritual world time doesn't exist - it's a human invention. When we've advanced to become an advanced soul, and ourselves being part of the creation later on, we finally will be a part of God and His energy light - it's an endless circle. He needs us to be able to continue. The Book is based on many many years of research, and the text above is my interpretation of the different cases presented in this book - where people during hypnosis have talked about the spiritual world and the afterlife. I think everyone will do their own interpretation. Just like they do about the Bible, for instance. To me the Bible in parts talks about reincarnation, but most people don't see it that way. Someone told me last week God knows what will happen, he knows everything in theory, but he doesn't know how it feels. Therefore he let diseases, injuries and war happen to people. To be aware. I don't accept that myself. It would be to have a half way psychopat in charge. Another thing about the book. Our lives are said to be decided in co-operation with a bunch of guys up there, who give recommendations and guide us on the pathway. And the time spent in the spiritual world between our lives aren't the blink of an eye, it could well be 70-100 years or so. And again, it doesn't feel that way then, since time doesn't exist. We often meet the same person/s in our lives, in some way. We can also split our soul to be in two places simultaneously: both on earth and in the spiritual world. And we can be in two different persons at the same time. The soul goes to the brain. The book mentions the screens at the place where you are surrounded by them, and see your upcoming life. You will also know what people you will meet, given the special awareness signs. However, at one point you will "forget" about it - when your new life begins.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2018 12:50:01 GMT
I'm not sure I believe the author's theory there music but thanks for your reply anyway. For me it goes right back to the Big Bang theory (and I know I am deviating very far away from the essence of the thread). I've read about it a lot in truth I still don't understand why the Big Bang happened, and how. All the books do is to just give some author's viewpoint, we don't really what it's all about. Also how Earth was fortunate enough to be in just the right position to support life, albeit basic life at the beginning (and still even today in some cases ), which evolved into what we have today. I still don't understand the whole meaning and purpose of life - all the trials, tribulations, stress, ill health, wars, etc etc that life throws at us and in the end it's all meaningless when we die. I don't believe it's all a test for us engineered by some super-entity. I'm probably completely missing something glaringly obvious but I just don't get it.
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Dec 15, 2018 13:26:07 GMT
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Post by musik on Dec 15, 2018 13:26:07 GMT
I'm not sure I believe the author's theory there music but thanks for your reply anyway. It's not actually a theory. It's just what the people went on about during hypnosis - the published conversations. No matter if they were catholics, buddhists, atheists or whatever. It's always the same. What puzzles me is that, if so, "everything" seems to be decided in advance. God even knows when the Earth will no longer exist and why. Now we're really talking "point".😉
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Post by murphthesurf on Dec 16, 2018 15:16:26 GMT
Anyone made contact?
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once did a ouija board with a few blokes when in the RN, i thought somebody was pushing the glass around so asked it to spell my mums maiden name, it did, nobody could have known that, we threw the glass out of the window I completely believe every word of that, Northy, because exactly the same thing (etc.) happened to me many times and anyone who accuses you of 'pushing the glass' owes you a HUGE APOLOGY.
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Dec 17, 2018 2:20:54 GMT
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Post by musik on Dec 17, 2018 2:20:54 GMT
once did a ouija board with a few blokes when in the RN, i thought somebody was pushing the glass around so asked it to spell my mums maiden name, it did, nobody could have known that, we threw the glass out of the window I completely believe every word of that, Northy, because exactly the same thing (etc.) happened to me many times and anyone who accuses you of 'pushing the glass' owes you a HUGE APOLOGY.Are there fake ones as well, I mean Ouija boards? Does the magic comes from the board? Will it all depend on what board you've got? How do I know I don't buy a fake one? What's the best material, the best wood? It might be a good present to a friend of mine.
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Post by murphthesurf on Dec 24, 2018 12:54:23 GMT
I completely believe every word of that, Northy, because exactly the same thing (etc.) happened to me many times and anyone who accuses you of 'pushing the glass' owes you a HUGE APOLOGY.Are there fake ones as well, I mean Ouija boards? Does the magic comes from the board? Will it all depend on what board you've got? How do I know I don't buy a fake one? What's the best material, the best wood? It might be a good present to a friend of mine. Sorry, musik, I can't help you with that question because I don't know anything at all about 'ouija boards' as such. Way back in my student days a few friends and I - over probably a year or two - used to have what we called 'a seance' every now and then, but we never had a 'board' - we just sat round a dining table (and on one occasion an office desk) and used handmade A-Z cards placed to form a circle plus, amongst the letters in the circle, a 'yes' and a 'no' card placed opposite each other --- and an inverted glass in the centre of the circle. It definitely worked, every time, and no-one EVER pushed the glass. This is why I wouldn't doubt - not even for a split second - any part of what Northy said happened with them. They knew their glass wasn't being pushed by one of their group, either.
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Post by trentvale68 on Dec 24, 2018 22:17:24 GMT
I find it strange how resistant people are to the idea of an afterlife, as if the idea is somehow something impossible. It may sound hard to believe but there is genuine investigation going on by an admittedly small band of investigators(who are often subject to the most dreadful abuse by professional sceptics employed to maintain the status quo) For me, it all points to a strong possibility that there is at least some other level of consciousness that persists after the demise of the physical body.
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Post by murphthesurf on Dec 24, 2018 22:35:41 GMT
I find it strange how resistant people are to the idea of an afterlife, as if the idea is somehow something impossible. It may sound hard to believe but there is genuine investigation going on by an admittedly small band of investigators(who are often subject to the most dreadful abuse by professional sceptics employed to maintain the status quo) For me, it all points to a strong possibility that there is at least some other level of consciousness that persists after the demise of the physical body. Well, I don't know what it is, Trenty, but without a shadow of a doubt there's something in it. Re. this 'glass' / 'seance' thing: Maybe I can sum it up --- to those who arrogantly and bull-headedly refuse to believe that glasses can not only move on their own but can literally spell out words by whipping round a table with such terrifying ferocity that it is impossible for all participants to keep their finger on the glass at all times --- by saying that perhaps you just have to be there to believe it.
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Dec 31, 2018 21:01:14 GMT
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Post by trentvale68 on Dec 31, 2018 21:01:14 GMT
Def agree with the above post, I had paranormal activity occur in my home and I don't expect anyone to believe it unless it happened to them.
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Post by musik on Dec 31, 2018 21:25:10 GMT
Def agree with the above post, I had paranormal activity occur in my home and I don't expect anyone to believe it unless it happened to them. To me it's perfectly normal and I've never been afraid of these things. My poltergeist is very annoyed when it's a mess at home. He wants order and a clean home. Before Christmas he took an analogue compact cassette out of the box and threw it on the floor. Luckily, I have four witnesses to these different phenomena happening here. So they know I'm not mad.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Jan 1, 2019 19:14:35 GMT
Done the {homemade} Ouija several several times. Best results in old, stone buildings {with a bit of history/atmosphere}. It is a bit of theatre. The processes of turning the glass and that. I've had a couple of 'sessions' that remain inexplicable. Realistic relevant narratives/messages spelled out etc. Freaky and very real. I've seen grown {hard} men reduced to tears {thrice}. Not indulged for a while, had one planned for bonfire time that fell through. Long overdue. But having doubts about doing it chez moi.
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Jan 1, 2019 20:43:06 GMT
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Post by trentvale68 on Jan 1, 2019 20:43:06 GMT
Done the {homemade} Ouija several several times. Best results in old, stone buildings {with a bit of history/atmosphere}. It is a bit of theatre. The processes of turning the glass and that. I've had a couple of 'sessions' that remain inexplicable. Realistic relevant narratives/messages spelled out etc. Freaky and very real. I've seen grown {hard} men reduced to tears {thrice}. Not indulged for a while, had one planned for bonfire time that fell through. Long overdue. But having doubts about doing it chez moi. cheese, you strike me as open minded;given your post, I'm going to recommend a site for you, Cyrus Kirkpatrick Afterlife Topics. He's an experienced astral projecter and a genuine researcher. Maybe the worlds of the living and the dead are meant to be separate but as you've seen, just occasionally the lines can blur👻💀👻💀👻💀
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Post by Northy on Jan 2, 2019 12:02:57 GMT
Def agree with the above post, I had paranormal activity occur in my home and I don't expect anyone to believe it unless it happened to them. To me it's perfectly normal and I've never been afraid of these things. My poltergeist is very annoyed when it's a mess at home. He wants order and a clean home. Before Christmas he took an analogue compact cassette out of the box and threw it on the floor. Luckily, I have four witnesses to these different phenomena happening here. So they know I'm not mad. Was it an ABBA one ?
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Post by Northy on Jan 2, 2019 12:10:40 GMT
Done the {homemade} Ouija several several times. Best results in old, stone buildings {with a bit of history/atmosphere}. It is a bit of theatre. The processes of turning the glass and that. I've had a couple of 'sessions' that remain inexplicable. Realistic relevant narratives/messages spelled out etc. Freaky and very real. I've seen grown {hard} men reduced to tears {thrice}. Not indulged for a while, had one planned for bonfire time that fell through. Long overdue. But having doubts about doing it chez moi. cheese, you strike me as open minded;given your post, I'm going to recommend a site for you, Cyrus Kirkpatrick Afterlife Topics. He's an experienced astral projecter and a genuine researcher. Maybe the worlds of the living and the dead are meant to be separate but as you've seen, just occasionally the lines can blur👻💀👻💀👻💀 went visiting my mum and sister (down for Xmas from the north) and one of my sisters friends from when she lived in Stoke was there, she said she'd had a visit from our grandad recently, abit weird why he went to her and not one of us isn't it?
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