|
Post by wizzardofdribble on Jun 10, 2018 22:18:29 GMT
Some neurologists believe that memories can be passed on from one generation to the next. There is a growing body of scientific evidence to support this and if true could explain 'deja-vue'. Its an interesting thought that memories can be imbedded in our DNA and passed down from one generation to the next. Lot's of things we can't explain 'rationally' are usually seen as 'supernatural' whereas in fact it might be something quite ordinary that we are just not aware of..yet..because medicine & science have yet to discover it. Or that might be complete bollocks.
|
|
|
Mediums
Jun 10, 2018 22:46:24 GMT
via mobile
Post by musik on Jun 10, 2018 22:46:24 GMT
Thank you unknown182! I saw the whole clip. Very interesting! Even though there was no conclusion in this case. His sister lived next to the sitter, Vanda(?), at the end there ... Hmmm. Medium is one thing; but if there are spirits/ghosts/poltergeist phenomena is another. Let's assume there's no real mediums - there could still be dead people "walking among us" and/or on another platform. In Sweden there is (or perhaps she's dead now?), a remarkable woman up north who on the national radio used to help people find their keys and stuff, by telling where they were. Anyone could call in.
|
|
|
Post by yeokel on Jun 11, 2018 10:11:07 GMT
Some neurologists believe that memories can be passed on from one generation to the next. There is a growing body of scientific evidence to support this and if true could explain 'deja-vue'. Its an interesting thought that memories can be imbedded in our DNA and passed down from one generation to the next. Lot's of things we can't explain 'rationally' are usually seen as 'supernatural' whereas in fact it might be something quite ordinary that we are just not aware of..yet..because medicine & science have yet to discover it. Or that might be complete bollocks. That’s quite an interesting idea. Obviously certain behavioural traits and instincts are passed on through DNA from generation to generation so, to this untrained eye, why not certain memories or experiences? As well as some instances of Déjà vu, it might help explain why some people can recount experiences from their ‘past lives’ and perhaps even why some people might see a ghost. It could just be some kind of echo or memory from the past which is part of your DNA. Or, as you say, it might be complete bollocks.
|
|
|
Post by musik on Jun 11, 2018 11:17:52 GMT
Some neurologists believe that memories can be passed on from one generation to the next. There is a growing body of scientific evidence to support this and if true could explain 'deja-vue'. Its an interesting thought that memories can be imbedded in our DNA and passed down from one generation to the next. Lot's of things we can't explain 'rationally' are usually seen as 'supernatural' whereas in fact it might be something quite ordinary that we are just not aware of..yet..because medicine & science have yet to discover it. Or that might be complete bollocks. That’s quite an interesting idea. Obviously certain behavioural traits and instincts are passed on through DNA from generation to generation so, to this untrained eye, why not certain memories or experiences? As well as some instances of Déjà vu, it might help explain why some people can recount experiences from their ‘past lives’ and perhaps even why some people might see a ghost. It could just be some kind of echo or memory from the past which is part of your DNA. Or, as you say, it might be complete bollocks. Ten years ago you were called a fruitcake in Sweden and possibly should be put somewhere, if you even suggested behaviour had anything to do with a human being's DNA. Most people over here, still learn from school, or whatever, only biological things like how you LOOK comes with DNA, not how you act; so behaviour a big no-no. It's a real relief now to read I'm not the only one thinking otherwise. Déja vù:s and seeing ghosts could be two completely different things. Déja vù is, to me, a question of seeing something hidden inside yourself - like a memory in your current life you have forgotten about, or something you put together as a "memory" from different parts in this life OR is in fact something you'd remembered from an earlier life you've had. I've not heard the thought of memories as being a part of DNA before. Quite amazing! Memories to be transfered from one person to another ... Seeing a ghost is to me completely different. That's another person (the ghost) acting. It could be someone in your current life that has passed away or someone way back - hundreds, thousands or million years back. Or do you mean, when seeing a ghost, that could be a visual memory your grandma had? So she saw a ghost then.
|
|
|
Post by lordb on Jun 11, 2018 11:21:30 GMT
Some neurologists believe that memories can be passed on from one generation to the next. There is a growing body of scientific evidence to support this and if true could explain 'deja-vue'. Its an interesting thought that memories can be imbedded in our DNA and passed down from one generation to the next. Lot's of things we can't explain 'rationally' are usually seen as 'supernatural' whereas in fact it might be something quite ordinary that we are just not aware of..yet..because medicine & science have yet to discover it. Or that might be complete bollocks. That’s quite an interesting idea. Obviously certain behavioural traits and instincts are passed on through DNA from generation to generation so, to this untrained eye, why not certain memories or experiences? As well as some instances of Déjà vu, it might help explain why some people can recount experiences from their ‘past lives’ and perhaps even why some people might see a ghost. It could just be some kind of echo or memory from the past which is part of your DNA. Or, as you say, it might be complete bollocks. There was a recent (maybe last year) report suggesting Holocaust survivors 'passed on' their experiences (not necessarily memories) via DNA - Holocaust survivors were selected as a group because their experience was so profound. Something like that Or it might be complete bollocks
|
|
|
Post by musik on Jun 11, 2018 11:30:50 GMT
There was a recent (maybe last year) report suggesting Holocaust survivors 'passed on' their experiences (not necessarily memories) via DNA - Holocaust survivors were selected as a group because their experience was so profound. Something like that Or it might be complete bollocks Nature's own way to make sure it's not forgotten? Part of the evolution process? Or what? Strong memories might go from generation to generation. DNA might not ONLY be about physical appearance, but also behaviour, acting and memories - if they're strong enough. But the question I always ask (good or bad), is: why? Even though people in general think otherwise, history has a way of repeating itself. The best is sometimes not to remember things. In psychological marketing (my speciality) one of the basics is to understand, people are frankly as stupid as hell. The free will is more or less unexisting. What we see and what we hear around us becomes how we act. That's why adverts and tv commercials goes on and on and on. It forms our brain and tells us what to do. That's why film makers have such a huge responsibilty when it comes to developing our world, or not.
|
|
|
Post by wizzardofdribble on Jun 11, 2018 11:54:23 GMT
I do believe there's a rational, logical reason for most things. But in the absence of 'scientific proof' superstition can fill the gap. For example, Witch Doctors fill the gap that modern medicine plays (anti-biotics).
Memories passed down through DNA is another example that could explain 'ghostly feelings of deja-vu' and even 'prophesies' of 'what happens next'..
As technology develops exponentially and we discover more and more things the role of the supernatural subsides.
Who needs Mediums when you've got laptops?
Or
That might be complete bollocks.
|
|
|
Post by yeokel on Jun 11, 2018 12:14:36 GMT
That’s quite an interesting idea. Obviously certain behavioural traits and instincts are passed on through DNA from generation to generation so, to this untrained eye, why not certain memories or experiences? As well as some instances of Déjà vu, it might help explain why some people can recount experiences from their ‘past lives’ and perhaps even why some people might see a ghost. It could just be some kind of echo or memory from the past which is part of your DNA. Or, as you say, it might be complete bollocks. .......Seeing a ghost is to me completely different. That's another person (the ghost) acting. It could be someone in your current life that has passed away or someone way back - hundreds, thousands or million years back. Or do you mean, when seeing a ghost, that could be a visual memory your grandma had?Yes, I think that is what I meant.
|
|
|
Mediums
Jun 12, 2018 17:07:02 GMT
via mobile
Post by musik on Jun 12, 2018 17:07:02 GMT
My opinion: To die is a phase. But yes, w UIhen you've gone through that process and actually are completely gone - then you won't remember a thing. We are all reset. Thats a scary thought from the perspective of this life, being reset but perhaps less so from that side. You might appreciate the books of Michael Newton?? Came back from the library a couple of hours ago, with an ordered book written by this Michael Newton. In swedish "Själarnas resa", or Journey of the Souls. Thick book. Going to need the summer. Other things to do as well.
|
|
|
Mediums
Jun 12, 2018 21:54:59 GMT
via mobile
musik likes this
Post by trentvale68 on Jun 12, 2018 21:54:59 GMT
You'll enjoy it, there's also Destiny of souls. There is an excellent trilogy of books by Chris Carter; science and psychic phenomena/near death experience/the afterlife. All interesting. Cyrus Kirkpatrick has written a good one too
|
|
|
Post by Boothen on Jun 12, 2018 22:53:07 GMT
Nowt but charlatans and con artists who fleece idiots of their money.
|
|
|
Post by musik on Jun 13, 2018 5:59:56 GMT
To believe in Mediums lies on an assumption there is a life after this and also there are spirits (ghosts).
To question that is a question just as interesting as if there are any mediums.
To begin with, are there any spirits to communicate with at all?
|
|
|
Mediums
Jun 17, 2018 16:49:54 GMT
via mobile
Post by trentvale68 on Jun 17, 2018 16:49:54 GMT
Yes i believe there are, what me might call, spirits. I think you really need to have had some sort of experience to entertain that belief. Christ, i used to be as die hard a sceptic as you could find LOL
|
|
|
Mediums
Jun 17, 2018 17:59:01 GMT
via mobile
Post by bathstoke on Jun 17, 2018 17:59:01 GMT
Some neurologists believe that memories can be passed on from one generation to the next. There is a growing body of scientific evidence to support this and if true could explain 'deja-vue'. Its an interesting thought that memories can be imbedded in our DNA and passed down from one generation to the next. Lot's of things we can't explain 'rationally' are usually seen as 'supernatural' whereas in fact it might be something quite ordinary that we are just not aware of..yet..because medicine & science have yet to discover it. Or that might be complete bollocks. This is classic Jung theory of collective consciousness.
|
|
|
Mediums
Jun 19, 2018 10:31:25 GMT
via mobile
Post by Staffsoatcake on Jun 19, 2018 10:31:25 GMT
If mediums can get in touch with the dead,what will be the point in saying RIP after someone dies?
|
|
|
Mediums
Jun 19, 2018 16:13:28 GMT
via mobile
Post by musik on Jun 19, 2018 16:13:28 GMT
If mediums can get in touch with the dead,what will be the point in saying RIP after someone dies? none what's the point of dying?
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 17:22:01 GMT
If mediums can get in touch with the dead,what will be the point in saying RIP after someone dies? none what's the point of dying? also none. You're a sack of meat with electricity running through, then you're just a sack of meat, then you're nothing
|
|
|
Post by felonious on Jun 19, 2018 17:55:41 GMT
none what's the point of dying? also none. You're a sack of meat with electricity running through, then you're just a sack of meat, then you're nothing I think you've spent too much time with the old man
|
|
|
Mediums
Jun 19, 2018 21:45:07 GMT
via mobile
Post by trentvale68 on Jun 19, 2018 21:45:07 GMT
none what's the point of dying? also none. You're a sack of meat with electricity running through, then you're just a sack of meat, then you're nothing i think there's a lot more to existence than that
|
|
|
Mediums
Jun 19, 2018 22:17:51 GMT
via mobile
Post by musik on Jun 19, 2018 22:17:51 GMT
also none. You're a sack of meat with electricity running through, then you're just a sack of meat, then you're nothing i think there's a lot more to existence than that I think you're absolutely right. But I haven't understood the purpose yet.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 22:18:56 GMT
also none. You're a sack of meat with electricity running through, then you're just a sack of meat, then you're nothing i think there's a lot more to existence than that Based on what? We are essentially sacks of meat with some electricity running through. I'm not sure what there could be beyond that with just those two things. Some chemicals in there too I guess, but not much else.
|
|
|
Mediums
Jun 19, 2018 22:30:18 GMT
via mobile
Post by musik on Jun 19, 2018 22:30:18 GMT
i think there's a lot more to existence than that Based on what? We are essentially sacks of meat with some electricity running through. I'm not sure what there could be beyond that with just those two things. Some chemicals in there too I guess, but not much else. Probably based on the simple fact, some people are alive and some are not. There is no life in meat and what you call 'electricity' (the nerves) plus the 'chemicals - in itself.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 22:59:58 GMT
Based on what? We are essentially sacks of meat with some electricity running through. I'm not sure what there could be beyond that with just those two things. Some chemicals in there too I guess, but not much else. Probably based on the simple fact, some people are alive and some are not. There is no life in meat and what you call 'electricity' (the nerves) plus the 'chemicals - in itself. I'm not sure i get what you're saying. Those who aren't alive have just lost the nervous system and bodily functions. They are now nothing but the remains of their body. The fact that there is life, has no bearing on whether there is a meaning or not. I can't see how there can be meaning, given how many billions have been and gone with literally no memory remaining of them and their lives having zero consequence. That's only human beings aswell.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 6:06:22 GMT
I think I'm probably deviating away from the essence of the thread but I have just always struggled to understand what is the point or meaning of life itself. After all, we are born, go through the "system", in a nutshell - school, college/Uni, get a job, meet a partner, maybe have kids, retire, and ultimately die, and just become a memory for a few people, or in many cases are just completely forgotten. How many of us can name our great grand-parents'or even know that much about them ?
The majority struggle through the shit life throws at us, maybe have nice holidays, and then the lights go out and we're just as dead as those who have had fame, fortune or any prominence during life.
And after all of life's ups and downs, just what is the point ?
In the future when/if man journeys further into our galaxy, universe, other universes, are we going to find other identical planets in a similar position to their sun, which has also spawned similar life forms going through the same "processes" ?
As for mediums and so on, my late mum was slightly gifted in that sense and did say and "see" some things that couldn't easily be explained but she certainly hasn't passed that gift to me in my DNA.
I just think that after the many billions of people who have previously lived and died, there should by now be some more definite knowledge, scientific or via mediums (call them what you will) if there is indeed any life after death, in whatever form it may be. Why haven't any of the "mediums" who have died made it their business to contact the living and "spill the beans" on the afterlife ?
Sorry to ramble on but I've never understood the "why" of it all.
|
|
|
Post by musik on Jun 20, 2018 7:12:13 GMT
After all, we are born, go through the "system", in a nutshell - school, college/Uni, get a job, meet a partner, maybe have kids, retire, and ultimately die, and just become a memory for a few people, And after all of life's ups and downs, just what is the point ? Why haven't any of the "mediums" who have died made it their business to contact the living and "spill the beans" on the afterlife ? Like me, I haven't understood what's the purpose - or meaning as most of you prefer to call it. However, I would say, what you described there is a life only the VERY lucky ones go through. We must keep that in mind. In many parts of the world and in every society on the planet, that is an ideal life, kind of a paradise. War, terror, chronic diseases, accidents, lack of medicine, no food, earthquakes, no money, criminality, trafficking, rape, abuse, shootings, drugs, fraud, racism, escaping, minorities, murder, hooliganism, stalking, maffia, handicap, conflicts, insanity, dependence, pollution, not free to speak, Vale Park ... - for many millions and millions of people, this is their life, struggling as hell. I've spoken to quite a few people about the meaning in my life, also to filosophers and religious people. Some of them say: the meaning is to live on / go back to (not everyone believes in reincarnation - even though I'm voting 'for', since it would be fair) earth to learn and learn ... and the Creator do this because of love (the purpose). And as always, love doesn't need to be explained. He has no other "purpose" himself, he knows it all already, doesn't have to get any info from the reincarnated souls. Why mediums doesn't make it "their business" as you put it, might be 'cause when they die they 1) are reset, 2) are something completely different and probably somewhere else. What I personally believe is this: if you don't believe in mediums, you might become one next time. If you're white you'll be brown, man becomes female etc - until we've gone through all possible outcome, until we have learned it all. Why? Have no idea. Simultaneously, something says to me, we should not dig into the ghosts, spirit world, or even pretending to be mediums etc ... it's glimses only, and we should not bother ... it's not part of the plan. Why? Have no idea. It kind of is connected with the thought in the Holy Book "the Creator is not to be seen".
|
|
|
Mediums
Jun 20, 2018 7:38:26 GMT
via mobile
Post by musik on Jun 20, 2018 7:38:26 GMT
Probably based on the simple fact, some people are alive and some are not. There is no life in meat and what you call 'electricity' (the nerves) plus the 'chemicals - in itself. I'm not sure i get what you're saying. Those who aren't alive have just lost the nervous system and bodily functions. They are now nothing but the remains of their body. The fact that there is life, has no bearing on whether there is a meaning or not. I can't see how there can be meaning, given how many billions have been and gone with literally no memory remaining of them and their lives having zero consequence. That's only human beings aswell. The body is just the shell. What makes a person walk, talk, stand, eat, sleep? What is that battery? What is that energy? Why does a heart stop? Normally disease of some sort, worn out, blocked vessels. But when that disease is absent, what makes the heart beat? It doesn't have to, does it? Here's what I think: If there is a meaning (I prefer the word "purpose"), it is: life. As long as life exist, purpose could be present. What's hard could be to understand the meaning of this purpose. But it could be love.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 11:47:48 GMT
I'm not sure i get what you're saying. Those who aren't alive have just lost the nervous system and bodily functions. They are now nothing but the remains of their body. The fact that there is life, has no bearing on whether there is a meaning or not. I can't see how there can be meaning, given how many billions have been and gone with literally no memory remaining of them and their lives having zero consequence. That's only human beings aswell. The body is just the shell. What makes a person walk, talk, stand, eat, sleep? What is that battery? What is that energy? Why does a heart stop? Normally disease of some sort, worn out, blocked vessels. But when that disease is absent, what makes the heart beat? It doesn't have to, does it? Here's what I think: If there is a meaning (I prefer the word "purpose"), it is: life. As long as life exist, purpose could be present. What's hard could be to understand the meaning of this purpose. But it could be love. Respiration for humans is the energy The heart beats because specialised muscle cells surrounding it contract and relax at the same time, in order to force blood around the body. It has to because if it didn't, humans wouldn't exist, but that's the bias (i.e. only animals with a heart that beats survive, so it seems like it 'decided' to beat in order to keep us alive) that makes things seem purposeful or meaningful, when for me, they're not. If there is a meaning for people, what is the meaning for dogs? for bacteria? for people who die within a few months/years of being born? I think with how big the universe is, and how insignificant and invisible we are on that scale, it's hard to see how there could be a purpose to something so small and basically negligible.
|
|
|
Mediums
Jun 23, 2018 14:35:14 GMT
via mobile
Post by musik on Jun 23, 2018 14:35:14 GMT
The body is just the shell. What makes a person walk, talk, stand, eat, sleep? What is that battery? What is that energy? Why does a heart stop? Normally disease of some sort, worn out, blocked vessels. But when that disease is absent, what makes the heart beat? It doesn't have to, does it? Here's what I think: If there is a meaning (I prefer the word "purpose"), it is: life. As long as life exist, purpose could be present. What's hard could be to understand the meaning of this purpose. But it could be love. Respiration for humans is the energy The heart beats because specialised muscle cells surrounding it contract and relax at the same time, in order to force blood around the body. It has to because if it didn't, humans wouldn't exist, but that's the bias (i.e. only animals with a heart that beats survive, so it seems like it 'decided' to beat in order to keep us alive) that makes things seem purposeful or meaningful, when for me, they're not. If there is a meaning for people, what is the meaning for dogs? for bacteria? for people who die within a few months/years of being born? I think with how big the universe is, and how insignificant and invisible we are on that scale, it's hard to see how there could be a purpose to something so small and basically negligible. Lilfraise, you've made some classical common errors here but what's more fascinating, you've also answered what the meaning is, perhaps without even realising it! #1: What you describe is just the function, you describe how the heart works - but that has nothing to do with: why. Likewise, often when it comes to physicists describing the space, they can only say who it works - what they can observe and what they can calculate, as far as they know at this very moment. Luckily, the dark energy (which in fact is transparent) is an example of an area where they at a larger extent than before begin to doubt the theory of the no-existing Creator. But the same goes for new theories of other dimensions, multi universe etc and the Big Bang: I'm friend with a researcher in that field and logically he says there must have been something in existence before the Big Bang. You can't make a cake without the ingredients, but what's more, someone must have put the ingredients in the kitchen. #2: The meaning is to learn, to have all possible experience there is to get for every soul. I'm convinced we live billions of lives - that would also be the only fair system; we will all experience every '-ism' there is on earth, every type of shell, every life form. We got new missions all the time. Very few doesn't come back. 10.000 per year they say. A bacteria has a long way to go; is only at the beginning of the journey. There are certain rules we must follow. If we don't we go backwards, we can even become a bacteria again. The meaning: "It HAS to, because if it didn't the humans wouldn't exist." "It seems IT decided to beat to keep us alive." Well, the heart has no power to decide anything. If you sit in the car, you're the one who decides. So there must be a higher consciousness. #3: you mention us being invisible and insignificant, but that's totally wrong and you do the classical error of taking a human perspective on this and put yourself in a position as God, here the God Lilfraise. Instead, you must shift perspective. Imagine you're God, with all the Creator's characteristics, not bound to the Law of Nature. I'm convinced there is a purpose/meaning in every breath, in every grass straw, even how it is bent and why, in every cell in every life form in fact. I'm also certain the Creator knows about how every cell in every life form feels in every aspect in every single moment of time, since time is a human invention in the material world. I don't get the mentioning of animals who would be the only one's to survive, if the human hearts didn't beat. That has nothing to do with the reason. When I was a very little kid I dreamt I saw a picture of someone holding something that looked like raspberries in his hand. He and the person to the right of him were happy. That was the Creator holding some multiuniverse in his hand. The surroundings looked very much like the open fields on earth, grass and sky etc. That dream, that picture hasn't left me since. It feels like I dreamt it yesterday. But it was about 50 years ago. When I was 30 something, I saw that picture in a 5000 year old book (Veda litterature). It was a very surreal experience. I can assure you, I haven't seen it before. We had no such books at home, why would we? Even if we had, the picture impressed me more than anything in life for some reason. I'm not from a religious home. I'm not going to church or anything (perhaps I should, it's said to keep you calm, lowering blood pressure), I'm not even reading any of the holy books regularly. I have just given these questions serious thought throughout life. And perhaps my close to death-experience affected me, where "I could stay if I wanted to".
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 14:54:47 GMT
Respiration for humans is the energy The heart beats because specialised muscle cells surrounding it contract and relax at the same time, in order to force blood around the body. It has to because if it didn't, humans wouldn't exist, but that's the bias (i.e. only animals with a heart that beats survive, so it seems like it 'decided' to beat in order to keep us alive) that makes things seem purposeful or meaningful, when for me, they're not. If there is a meaning for people, what is the meaning for dogs? for bacteria? for people who die within a few months/years of being born? I think with how big the universe is, and how insignificant and invisible we are on that scale, it's hard to see how there could be a purpose to something so small and basically negligible. Lilfraise, you've made some classical common errors here but what's more fascinating, you've also answered what the meaning is, perhaps without even realising it! #1: What you describe is just the function, you describe how the heart works - but that has nothing to do with: why. Likewise, often when it comes to physicists describing the space, they can only say who it works - what they can observe and what they can calculate, as far as they know at this very moment. Luckily, the dark energy (which in fact is transparent) is an example of an area where they at a larger extent than before begin to doubt the theory of the no-existing Creator. But the same goes for new theories of other dimensions, multi universe etc and the Big Bang: I'm friend with a researcher in that field and logically he says there must have been something in existence before the Big Bang. You can't make a cake without the ingredients, but what's more, someone must have put the ingredients in the kitchen. #2: The meaning is to learn, to have all possible experience there is to get for every soul. I'm convinced we live billions of lives - that would also be the only fair system; we will all experience every '-ism' there is on earth, every type of shell, every life form. We got new missions all the time. Very few doesn't come back. 10.000 per year they say. A bacteria has a long way to go; is only at the beginning of the journey. There are certain rules we must follow. If we don't we go backwards, we can even become a bacteria again. The meaning: "It HAS to, because if it didn't the humans wouldn't exist." "It seems IT decided to beat to keep us alive." Well, the heart has no power to decide anything. If you sit in the car, you're the one who decides. So there must be a higher consciousness. #3: you mention us being invisible and insignificant, but that's totally wrong and you do the classical error of taking a human perspective on this and put yourself in a position as God, here the God Lilfraise. Instead, you must shift perspective. Imagine you're God, with all the Creator's characteristics, not bound to the Law of Nature. I'm convinced there is a purpose/meaning in every breath, in every grass straw, even how it is bent and why, in every cell in every life form in fact. I'm also certain the Creator knows about how every cell in every life form feels in every aspect in every single moment of time, since time is a human invention in the material world. I don't get the mentioning of animals who would be the only one's to survive, if the human hearts didn't beat. That has nothing to do with the reason. When I was a very little kid I dreamt I saw a picture of someone holding something that looked like raspberries in his hand. He and the person to the right of him were happy. That was the Creator holding some multiuniverse in his hand. The surroundings looked very much like the open fields on earth, grass and sky etc. That dream, that picture hasn't left me since. It feels like I dreamt it yesterday. But it was about 50 years ago. When I was 30 something, I saw that picture in a 5000 year old book (Veda litterature). It was a very surreal experience. I can assure you, I haven't seen it before. We had no such books at home, why would we? Even if we had, the picture impressed me more than anything in life for some reason. I'm not from a religious home. I'm not going to church or anything (perhaps I should, it's said to keep you calm, lowering blood pressure), I'm not even reading any of the holy books regularly. I have just given these questions serious thought throughout life. And perhaps my close to death-experience affected me, where "I could stay if I wanted to". But i don't see why there has to be a 'why'? that's my main point. We don't look for a 'why' in the lives of ants, or midges, or other animals. So why does there have to be one for humans?
|
|
|
Mediums
Jun 23, 2018 15:54:31 GMT
via mobile
Post by musik on Jun 23, 2018 15:54:31 GMT
But i don't see why there has to be a 'why'? that's my main point. We don't look for a 'why' in the lives of ants, or midges, or other animals. So why does there have to be one for humans? Because the 'why' is phase 1. Phase 2 is the observations of the results from phase 1. We as human beings should understand there is a 'why' in every living creature. Animals do certainly have feelings, more than some are aware of and their actions have consequences too - but for the lower life form, the more it's just a question of survival on a day-to-day basis. Do you by: "WE don't look for a 'why' in animals" mean us human beings? I'm sure dogs, cats, birds, horses, monkeys sometimes have at least touched the kind of philosophical thought "what's the ***** point", even if it was just for a second or two. Lower life forms might not have that capacity at all. But we got the brain for it. That's why. In theory, you could think of a person who hasn't asked himself about the 'why'-question during the whole life, but still have put every foot right through life in any situation, without any guidance. Pure Raw Talent.
|
|