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Post by murphthesurf on Dec 12, 2019 22:46:47 GMT
Come in, please, Chuff:
Chuff, this is a totally serious question --- do you know if, after the Monarchy was restored with Charles II, your relative was ever pursued at all? I was reading about this a few weeks ago and obviously recalled you mentioning on here in the past your own family member's involvement & him having signed the warrant. I ask as under Charles II there was a huge exercise undertaken whereby all the signatories on his father Charles I's death warrant were ruthlessly pursued and, where possible, arrested and executed. Just wondering if your family's chap was involved….. and if he was……… eeeeeewwwwww. And condolences! He wasn't one of the ones dug up or pursued murph but he was a regicide. His name was Sir Richard Deane, Cromwell's right hand man. He's worth looking up if only for another brief read. My mum was a Deane, all the family from Norton. That side is all traced back to the first continental invaders,650bc or whenever it was. Fascinating stuff. Thanks for the update, Chuff, that's brilliant.
Yes, there his name is on the list of signatories on the death warrant, listed as #21 in the summary of those 'dealt with'. It says: Richard Deane Dead Died in 1653. Disinterred and buried in a communal pit. There's also loads about him on Wiki on the link below! I've just cut/pasted a couple of bits from it: Richard Deane (regicide)
Richard Deane (1610–1653), Englishman who supported the Parliamentary cause in the English Civil War. He was a General at Sea, major-general and regicide. Deane was a younger son of Edward Deane of Temple Guiting or Guyting in Gloucestershire, where he was born, his baptism taking place on 8 July 1610. His family seems to have been strongly Puritan and was related to many of those Buckinghamshire families who were prominent among Oliver Cromwell's supporters during the English Civil War. His uncle or great-uncle was Sir Richard Deane, Lord Mayor of London in 1628–1629.[1] At the end of 1652 Deane returned to his command as general-at-sea, where George Monck had succeeded Popham, who had died in 1651. In 1653 Deane was with Blake in command at the Battle of Portland and later took the most prominent and active part in the refitting of the fleet on the reorganisation of the naval service.[1] At the outset of the Battle of the Gabbard on 1 June 1653, Deane was killed. His body lay in state at Greenwich and after a public funeral was buried in Henry VII's chapel at Westminster Abbey, to be disinterred at the Restoration.[1] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Deane_(regicide)Blinkin' 'eck!
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Post by murphthesurf on Dec 12, 2019 22:56:35 GMT
PS: Oh, what a pity your mum's maiden name was Deane rather than your dad having it as his surname, or we could've called you Deano……… As in Dean o - o ! Who ya gonna call? Chuffedstokie..........
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Post by chuffedstokie on Dec 12, 2019 23:01:36 GMT
He wasn't one of the ones dug up or pursued murph but he was a regicide. His name was Sir Richard Deane, Cromwell's right hand man. He's worth looking up if only for another brief read. My mum was a Deane, all the family from Norton. That side is all traced back to the first continental invaders,650bc or whenever it was. Fascinating stuff. Thanks for the update, Chuff, that's brilliant.
Yes, there his name is on the list of signatories on the death warrant, listed as #21 in the summary of those 'dealt with'. It says: Richard Deane Dead Died in 1653. Disinterred and buried in a communal pit. There's also loads about him on Wiki on the link below! I've just cut/pasted a couple of bits from it: Richard Deane (regicide)
Richard Deane (1610–1653), Englishman who supported the Parliamentary cause in the English Civil War. He was a General at Sea, major-general and regicide. Deane was a younger son of Edward Deane of Temple Guiting or Guyting in Gloucestershire, where he was born, his baptism taking place on 8 July 1610. His family seems to have been strongly Puritan and was related to many of those Buckinghamshire families who were prominent among Oliver Cromwell's supporters during the English Civil War. His uncle or great-uncle was Sir Richard Deane, Lord Mayor of London in 1628–1629.[1] At the end of 1652 Deane returned to his command as general-at-sea, where George Monck had succeeded Popham, who had died in 1651. In 1653 Deane was with Blake in command at the Battle of Portland and later took the most prominent and active part in the refitting of the fleet on the reorganisation of the naval service.[1] At the outset of the Battle of the Gabbard on 1 June 1653, Deane was killed. His body lay in state at Greenwich and after a public funeral was buried in Henry VII's chapel at Westminster Abbey, to be disinterred at the Restoration.[1] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Deane_(regicide)Blinkin' 'eck! That's the bloke, slap bang in the middle of the family tree. Quite a colourful character in his few years on the planet.
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Post by chuffedstokie on Dec 12, 2019 23:02:40 GMT
PS: Oh, what a pity your mum's maiden name was Deane rather than your dad having it as his surname, or we could've called you Deano……… As in Dean o - o ! Who ya gonna call? Chuffedstokie.......... Has a certain ring to it!.🤔😄
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Post by murphthesurf on Dec 12, 2019 23:16:29 GMT
PS: Oh, what a pity your mum's maiden name was Deane rather than your dad having it as his surname, or we could've called you Deano……… As in Dean o - o ! Who ya gonna call? Chuffedstokie.......... Has a certain ring to it!.🤔😄 I like it!
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Post by murphthesurf on Dec 15, 2019 19:36:31 GMT
Thanks for the update, Chuff, that's brilliant.
Yes, there his name is on the list of signatories on the death warrant, listed as #21 in the summary of those 'dealt with'. It says: Richard Deane Dead Died in 1653. Disinterred and buried in a communal pit. There's also loads about him on Wiki on the link below! I've just cut/pasted a couple of bits from it: Richard Deane (regicide)
Richard Deane (1610–1653), Englishman who supported the Parliamentary cause in the English Civil War. He was a General at Sea, major-general and regicide. Deane was a younger son of Edward Deane of Temple Guiting or Guyting in Gloucestershire, where he was born, his baptism taking place on 8 July 1610. His family seems to have been strongly Puritan and was related to many of those Buckinghamshire families who were prominent among Oliver Cromwell's supporters during the English Civil War. His uncle or great-uncle was Sir Richard Deane, Lord Mayor of London in 1628–1629.[1] At the end of 1652 Deane returned to his command as general-at-sea, where George Monck had succeeded Popham, who had died in 1651. In 1653 Deane was with Blake in command at the Battle of Portland and later took the most prominent and active part in the refitting of the fleet on the reorganisation of the naval service.[1] At the outset of the Battle of the Gabbard on 1 June 1653, Deane was killed. His body lay in state at Greenwich and after a public funeral was buried in Henry VII's chapel at Westminster Abbey, to be disinterred at the Restoration.[1] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Deane_(regicide)Blinkin' 'eck! That's the bloke, slap bang in the middle of the family tree. Quite a colourful character in his few years on the planet. Eh up, what a coincidence, Chuff! Your ancestor is going to be on the TV on Tuesday (17/12), in a new 3-part series: Charles I: Killing a King 'Three-part documentary about the execution of Charles I. The first episode follows the events of Christmas 1648, when plans were made to try the king for treason.' BBC4 9.00pmApparently when they first came up with the series they were going to call it 'At Home with the Chuffedstokies' but then one of them said 'oh, hang on - what about the royalties fees?', so they decided against it as these days they're getting a bit tight with the old moolah at the beeb and they realised they wouldn't have to pay any to Charles I for obv reasons. Bah humbug!
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Post by chuffedstokie on Dec 15, 2019 23:49:07 GMT
That's the bloke, slap bang in the middle of the family tree. Quite a colourful character in his few years on the planet. Eh up, what a coincidence, Chuff! Your ancestor is going to be on the TV on Tuesday (17/12), in a new 3-part series: Charles I: Killing a King 'Three-part documentary about the execution of Charles I. The first episode follows the events of Christmas 1648, when plans were made to try the king for treason.' BBC4 9.00pmApparently when they first came up with the series they were going to call it 'At Home with the Chuffedstokies' but then one of them said 'oh, hang on - what about the royalties fees?', so they decided against it as these days they're getting a bit tight with the old moolah at the beeb and they realised they wouldn't have to pay any to Charles I for obv reasons. Bah humbug! Fantastic murph thanks for that. I'll be at work at that time so it'll be a case of playing catch up. Do you reckon if I went in with even my tenuous link I could prise a few quid out of them?. I might turn the old family tree into a wallpaper pattern and flog it to the tourists, you never know. 🤔
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 16:54:22 GMT
Eh up, what a coincidence, Chuff! Your ancestor is going to be on the TV on Tuesday (17/12), in a new 3-part series: Charles I: Killing a King 'Three-part documentary about the execution of Charles I. The first episode follows the events of Christmas 1648, when plans were made to try the king for treason.' BBC4 9.00pmApparently when they first came up with the series they were going to call it 'At Home with the Chuffedstokies' but then one of them said 'oh, hang on - what about the royalties fees?', so they decided against it as these days they're getting a bit tight with the old moolah at the beeb and they realised they wouldn't have to pay any to Charles I for obv reasons. Bah humbug! Fantastic murph thanks for that. I'll be at work at that time so it'll be a case of playing catch up. Do you reckon if I went in with even my tenuous link I could prise a few quid out of them?. I might turn the old family tree into a wallpaper pattern and flog it to the tourists, you never know. 🤔 Sounds really interesting Chuffed. Out of interest how easy/difficult was it to trace your family tree ? Did you do it or have you "inherited" it from within your family ? I have been considering having a try to trace my family tree but I haven't really got a lot of info to work with prior to my grand-parents and I don't know how easy or difficult (or expensive) it is.
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Post by yeokel on Dec 16, 2019 17:41:22 GMT
Fantastic murph thanks for that. I'll be at work at that time so it'll be a case of playing catch up. Do you reckon if I went in with even my tenuous link I could prise a few quid out of them?. I might turn the old family tree into a wallpaper pattern and flog it to the tourists, you never know. 🤔 Sounds really interesting Chuffed. Out of interest how easy/difficult was it to trace your family tree ? Did you do it or have you "inherited" it from within your family ? I have been considering having a try to trace my family tree but I haven't really got a lot of info to work with prior to my grand-parents and I don't know how easy or difficult (or expensive) it is. It is a fascinating, if very time consuming hobby. I’ve done a few bits of mine and found a hell of a lot of Scottish connections of which I was unaware (including, I think, a link between my wife’s ancestors and mine around the late 1700’s). I’ve also got relatives going back to the 1600’s in Shelton, and another load back to the early 1700’s in Whitmore including one who was a victim of a ‘proper’ “Stand and Deliver” highway robbery event while he was walking back home from Newcastle. There is a certain amount of free information to be gleaned from Ancestry.co.uk and Findmypast.co.uk although as you get sucked in you’ll want to pay a subscription to get more detailed subscription. Familysearch.org is very useful as the Mormons (it is a Mormon site) have been allowed access to UK church records going back centuries and have transcribed thousands of pages of them. And UKBMD.org.uk is also very useful. It’s fairly easy to get back to the middle of the 1800s with the aid of census transcriptions and marriage certificates. Going back further requires a bit more digging, but there is a hell of a lot of information out there once you start looking. One word of warning – Beware of sites like Ancestry in the way that their records can lead you up blind alleys and suggest relationships between people which are actually impossible to have been. The problem is that there are a lot of ‘name collectors’ out there who just latch on to some sort of tenuous link, build it in to their tree which gets seen by others who then copy in to their own tree and, all of a sudden, you can have dozens of instances of ‘x’ was related to ‘y’ which are all wrong and are the result of people copying from people who copied from people with no thought towards checking and double checking that which is presented as fact. Accuracy and painstaking research are key but, as I said earlier, it can be very time consuming, but very rewarding when a missing link is finally discovered and, as a result, several other things drop in to place. If I were you, I'd strat with a free trial on something like ancestry.co.uk, stick in a few names and connections that you know and then see where it leads you.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 17:47:25 GMT
Sounds really interesting Chuffed. Out of interest how easy/difficult was it to trace your family tree ? Did you do it or have you "inherited" it from within your family ? I have been considering having a try to trace my family tree but I haven't really got a lot of info to work with prior to my grand-parents and I don't know how easy or difficult (or expensive) it is. It is a fascinating, if very time consuming hobby. I’ve done a few bits of mine and found a hell of a lot of Scottish connections of which I was unaware (including, I think, a link between my wife’s ancestors and mine around the late 1700’s). I’ve also got relatives going back to the 1600’s in Shelton, and another load back to the early 1700’s in Whitmore including one who was a victim of a ‘proper’ “Stand and Deliver” highway robbery event while he was walking back home from Newcastle. There is a certain amount of free information to be gleaned from Ancestry.co.uk and Findmypast.co.uk although as you get sucked in you’ll want to pay a subscription to get more detailed subscription. Familysearch.org is very useful as the Mormons (it is a Mormon site) have been allowed access to UK church records going back centuries and have transcribed thousands of pages of them. And UKBMD.org.uk is also very useful. It’s fairly easy to get back to the middle of the 1800s with the aid of census transcriptions and marriage certificates. Going back further requires a bit more digging, but there is a hell of a lot of information out there once you start looking. One word of warning – Beware of sites like Ancestry in the way that their records can lead you up blind alleys and suggest relationships between people which are actually impossible to have been. The problem is that there are a lot of ‘name collectors’ out there who just latch on to some sort of tenuous link, build it in to their tree which gets seen by others who then copy in to their own tree and, all of a sudden, you can have dozens of instances of ‘x’ was related to ‘y’ which are all wrong and are the result of people copying from people who copied from people with no thought towards checking and double checking that which is presented as fact. Accuracy and painstaking research are key but, as I said earlier, it can be very time consuming, but very rewarding when a missing link is finally discovered and, as a result, several other things drop in to place. If I were you, I'd strat with a free trial on something like ancestry.co.uk, stick in a few names and connections that you know and then see where it leads you. Thanks for that yeokel - I think I'll certainly give it a go and see how far I can get with just the rudimentary links that I'm aware of.
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Post by chuffedstokie on Dec 16, 2019 17:48:05 GMT
Fantastic murph thanks for that. I'll be at work at that time so it'll be a case of playing catch up. Do you reckon if I went in with even my tenuous link I could prise a few quid out of them?. I might turn the old family tree into a wallpaper pattern and flog it to the tourists, you never know. 🤔 Sounds really interesting Chuffed. Out of interest how easy/difficult was it to trace your family tree ? Did you do it or have you "inherited" it from within your family ? I have been considering having a try to trace my family tree but I haven't really got a lot of info to work with prior to my grand-parents and I don't know how easy or difficult (or expensive) it is. It's actually pretty straightforward and also free of charge. I used the library computers which gives you access to the entire Staffordshire database and 'Ancestry library edition ' which again is free to use and more in depth than the version you can buy. Once you get into the census records it's very fascinating. Nice and peaceful in the library as well. When my dear gran was alive she commissioned a guy called Cope - Cartledge to do it all by manual research, it cost her a few quid but everything I did backed up his work back in the seventies.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 17:49:56 GMT
Sounds really interesting Chuffed. Out of interest how easy/difficult was it to trace your family tree ? Did you do it or have you "inherited" it from within your family ? I have been considering having a try to trace my family tree but I haven't really got a lot of info to work with prior to my grand-parents and I don't know how easy or difficult (or expensive) it is. It's actually pretty straightforward and also free of charge. I used the library computers which gives you access to the entire Staffordshire database and 'Ancestry library edition ' which again is free to use and more in depth than the version you can buy. Once you get into the census records it's very fascinating. Nice and peaceful in the library as well. Thanks Chuffed - I think I'll give it a try in the New Year.
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Post by murphthesurf on Dec 17, 2019 19:57:01 GMT
It's actually pretty straightforward and also free of charge. I used the library computers which gives you access to the entire Staffordshire database and 'Ancestry library edition ' which again is free to use and more in depth than the version you can buy. Once you get into the census records it's very fascinating. Nice and peaceful in the library as well. Thanks Chuffed - I think I'll give it a try in the New Year. Chuff and Yoky aren't just pretty faces, y'know, Dees! Their experience and pointers on this subject are ginormous! Good luck! PS: #famous.sheep.stealersofthe.C17 is apparently another good site.
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Post by murphthesurf on Dec 30, 2019 14:15:50 GMT
Thanks Chuffed - I think I'll give it a try in the New Year. Chuff and Yoky aren't just pretty faces, y'know, Dees! Their experience and pointers on this subject are ginormous! Good luck! PS: #famous.sheep.stealersofthe.C17 is apparently another good site.
Thought I'd send you a reminder, Dees! Will you let us know how you get on with it, please? Ta ever so!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2019 17:26:21 GMT
Chuff and Yoky aren't just pretty faces, y'know, Dees! Their experience and pointers on this subject are ginormous! Good luck! PS: #famous.sheep.stealersofthe.C17 is apparently another good site.
Thought I'd send you a reminder, Dees! Will you let us know how you get on with it, please? Ta ever so! Ta Murph ! I'll have a go and see where I get with it although I don't really have much info before my mum and dad as I only had one living grandparent when I was born, and "the past" was never discussed.
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