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Post by colnepotter on Jun 2, 2018 15:37:16 GMT
[ You silly silly boy. Go back and read what was written slowly and carefully. I never disagreed with the point being made. It was probably shite but I have no evidence any more than the boy making the allegations. Serious ones amongst other things involving contracts. If you want to make allegations about a person's competence then you must have some pretty persuasive evidence and/or impressive qualifications. Be very clear Stoke City Football Club did not rise from the obscurity of 2006 to where they were in 2017 by some kind of accident. It was a group of very clever men that did that. Mistakes happen you dilly and the higher up the food chain you are the greater their impact on people lower down. I could go on but you are the type of gobshite I would avoid in a pub so buggered if I will waste any more time on you. As a parting thought though have you ever stopped to consider that the same incompetence was responsible for the recruitment of Pulis, Shawcross, Fuller, Huth, Delap, Bojan, Arnie, Shaqiri, Faye......... Contracts aside, which unfortunately we can only go on what comes out through the media which I agree isn’t reliable, did the other things not happen? I.e extending johnsons contract, getting rid of bardsley, getting rid of N’zonzi for a pittance, replacing arnautovic with a free transfer? Why could the club not see what was going on with Hughes whilst all of these idiots on a message board could? And if they could why did they not act sooner on the matter? Keeping him on was not an intelligent decision to make. “What’s all the fuss about?” Was not an intelligent comment to make. We made a lot of cock ups last year (and prior year to that) which of course is going to cause the fans to question the leadership at the club and they don’t need a degree to so nor do they need to produce a CV. Do you extend this thought process to the manager also? I mean I imagine they usually have more coaching qualifications and footballing knowledge than you or me but if they make a sub or team selection which seems completely bonkers I still debate it. Mistakes do happen and I really hope those running the club learn from them and the early signs are that they have. On your last note, most of them were pre Carto and the current system we are using for recruitment and the ones that are from the Carto regime weren’t signed recently. Recruitment hasn’t been good enough for a while now and has played a big part in our slow demise so will hopefully be rethought. Most of this is fair comment. Nobody is denying that mistakes have not been made. But please change the record. You don't know what has happened any more than me. If you read a bit of management theory you will know that excellent organisations tend to be characterised by a no blame culture. If they don't learn from this season then we should start worrying. BTW - this old chestnut about it was obvious 3 years ago or whatever is bollocks. It's the type of shit posted by negative losers throughout history. No doubt the same bunch predicting we would go down in 2008 and funnily enough failed to predict a bottom 3 finish at the start of the season. Bottom line is if you constantly spout shit you will always be 'right'..... because periodically shit always happens. It works the other way too sometimes. I confidently declared in 1985 that we would bounce back and I was right!
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Post by rolloutthebarrel on Jun 2, 2018 15:55:12 GMT
Contracts aside, which unfortunately we can only go on what comes out through the media which I agree isn’t reliable, did the other things not happen? I.e extending johnsons contract, getting rid of bardsley, getting rid of N’zonzi for a pittance, replacing arnautovic with a free transfer? Why could the club not see what was going on with Hughes whilst all of these idiots on a message board could? And if they could why did they not act sooner on the matter? Keeping him on was not an intelligent decision to make. “What’s all the fuss about?” Was not an intelligent comment to make. We made a lot of cock ups last year (and prior year to that) which of course is going to cause the fans to question the leadership at the club and they don’t need a degree to so nor do they need to produce a CV. Do you extend this thought process to the manager also? I mean I imagine they usually have more coaching qualifications and footballing knowledge than you or me but if they make a sub or team selection which seems completely bonkers I still debate it. Mistakes do happen and I really hope those running the club learn from them and the early signs are that they have. On your last note, most of them were pre Carto and the current system we are using for recruitment and the ones that are from the Carto regime weren’t signed recently. Recruitment hasn’t been good enough for a while now and has played a big part in our slow demise so will hopefully be rethought. Most of this is fair comment. Nobody is denying that mistakes have not been made. But please change the record. You don't know what has happened any more than me. If you read a bit of management theory you will know that excellent organisations tend to be characterised by a no blame culture. If they don't learn from this season then we should start worrying. BTW - this old chestnut about it was obvious 3 years ago or whatever is bollocks. It's the type of shit posted by negative losers throughout history. No doubt the same bunch predicting we would go down in 2008 and funnily enough failed to predict a bottom 3 finish at the start of the season. Bottom line is if you constantly spout shit you will always be 'right'..... because periodically shit always happens. It works the other way too sometimes. I confidently declared in 1985 that we would bounce back and I was right! I’m not saying we should operate with a blame culture, just that we learn from our mistakes and address them at the first point of opportunity. So far so good for this season. I’m not constantly negative/spouting shite and actually feel pretty positive for the coming season and think Rowett could turn out to be an great choice. My point being I don’t think it was just the ultra negatives that had their doubts, maybe not to the point where they saw us getting relegated but definitely that they saw that progress had halted, like it had under Pulis which led to his departure. Anyway on the actual topic of the thread, glad we’ve let Johnson go. Ireland i’m a little more torn on as he can make the team tick when he’s on it but would question if he could stay fit under the rigours of the league. Haugaard doesn’t really matter if he’s to be 3rd choice but could we have not depended on one of the u23 lads if worst came to it? Or are they even worse than Haugaard?
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Post by colnepotter on Jun 2, 2018 16:07:09 GMT
Most of this is fair comment. Nobody is denying that mistakes have not been made. But please change the record. You don't know what has happened any more than me. If you read a bit of management theory you will know that excellent organisations tend to be characterised by a no blame culture. If they don't learn from this season then we should start worrying. BTW - this old chestnut about it was obvious 3 years ago or whatever is bollocks. It's the type of shit posted by negative losers throughout history. No doubt the same bunch predicting we would go down in 2008 and funnily enough failed to predict a bottom 3 finish at the start of the season. Bottom line is if you constantly spout shit you will always be 'right'..... because periodically shit always happens. It works the other way too sometimes. I confidently declared in 1985 that we would bounce back and I was right! I’m not saying we should operate with a blame culture, just that we learn from our mistakes and address them at the first point of opportunity. So far so good for this season. I’m not constantly negative/spouting shite and actually feel pretty positive for the coming season and think Rowett could turn out to be an great choice. My point being I don’t think it was just the ultra negatives that had their doubts, maybe not to the point where they saw us getting relegated but definitely that they saw that progress had halted, like it had under Pulis which led to his departure. Anyway on the actual topic of the thread, glad we’ve let Johnson go. Ireland i’m a little more torn on as he can make the team tick when he’s on it but would question if he could stay fit under the rigours of the league. Haugaard doesn’t really matter if he’s to be 3rd choice but could we have not depended on one of the u23 lads if worst came to it? Or are they even worse than Haugaard? Oddly enough I am a bit worried. Don't see Rowett as a Lambert upgrade e.g. PL has two promotions on his CV and Rowett has none. Just a hunch mind and hope very much that GR will be a roaring success. No idea re Haugaard. Only seen him in a few first team games which admittedly he did not excel in. However I would assume that he has shown enough in other settings to merit another contract in the eyes of people with some pretty impressive coaching qualifications so who am I to argue!
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Post by TexasPotter on Jun 2, 2018 22:45:19 GMT
Surprised by Haugaard tbh think he had potential and has had a few decent saves here but wow he absolutely bottled it regularly starting and had some howlers in a row. Johnson and Ireland it was time. We need youth in shape and injury free. Hope we are looking to only retain him to sell later this next window.
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Post by Old School Stokie on Jun 3, 2018 20:30:52 GMT
Where does that leave Ireland’s son. He has been spoken of as something a bit special and was waiting to see what happened to his dad before signing up for Stoke?
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Post by Old School Stokie on Jun 3, 2018 20:34:09 GMT
So who, with an ounce of a footballing brain, would retain Diof - he’s a liability. We’d be better selling him to another championship flyer club cos he can’t score
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