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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2018 12:04:57 GMT
Isn'y the answer to get our billionaire owners through Bet365 to do a 'lucrative' sponsorship deal similar to the kinds that Man City have done....sponsor the training ground £5m, New shirt sponsorship deal £20m. All this assumes that they want to plough money into the club which as we all know self sufficiency suggests that they don't.
Another example was Real Madrid a few years back apparently sold their training ground to the council for £50m who then kindly allowed them to train there for free. If the owners wanted to there is always a way.
Perhaps Villas owners were just banking on them going up first time and are now reconsidering the level of investment they actually want to throw down the pan.
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Post by Gods on May 30, 2018 12:09:08 GMT
Good post but I have to query the practicalities of this part in bold about Wimmer though. I'm sure the 'transfer imbeciles' would let Wimmer go for a song but the problem is anyone taking him would also have to match his wages or Wimmer is perfectly entitled to just 'sit'. Very few players are happy to sign up to a whopping pay cut. That's at the heart of the problem with not only Wimmer but Imbula and Berahino too, wages are what matters.
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 30, 2018 12:26:33 GMT
Holy freakin shit.....which clown put Berah-fuckedoff, Zimmer & Motel on that much.....they ought to be sacked for that alone!!! Them figures are shocking. We ought to at least double Butlands wages in attempt to keep him on board if no big money offer comes in.. Interesting to read the wage structures of other clubs. Burnley appear to have a wage cap that they stick religiously too. & after the season they've had last year fair play to them bringing players in who don't break their upper wage seal.. Alex Pritchard at Huddersfield on £110k a week, with the next highest earner being Mooy on £50k is a huge cap.. We wouldn't need to do anything with Butlands contract if offers don't come in, if they don't come he stays regardless of contract, he'd have no choice.
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Post by nott1 on May 30, 2018 14:26:42 GMT
Somebody on here was lauding these Chinese owners a couple of weeks ago and wanting us to swap PC for one......careful what you wish for! Eh? It's because their money from the PL will be reduced and they've got to cut their cloth accordingly. The same will happen to us if we stay down for the time they have. Or they know feck all about football or running a football club?
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Post by thebet365 on May 30, 2018 14:39:04 GMT
Eh? It's because their money from the PL will be reduced and they've got to cut their cloth accordingly. The same will happen to us if we stay down for the time they have. Or they know feck all about football or running a football club? No it really is about the big reduction in parachute payments. There's a 2 year window to get back up, then the finances are fucked.
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Post by nott1 on May 30, 2018 14:42:09 GMT
Or they know feck all about football or running a football club? No it really is about the big reduction in parachute payments. There's a 2 year window to get back up, then the finances are fucked. Because they know feck all about running a club who's payments are decreasing?
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Post by thebet365 on May 30, 2018 14:46:08 GMT
No it really is about the big reduction in parachute payments. There's a 2 year window to get back up, then the finances are fucked. Because they know feck all about running a club who's payments are decreasing? No because that's their only chance to go for promotion with extra finances available. Or they could follow blackpools blueprint, bank all the money personally and fade off into obscurity in the lower leagues? But at least they paid attention to decreasing money eh!.
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Post by nott1 on May 30, 2018 14:47:44 GMT
Because they know feck all about running a club who's payments are decreasing? No because that's their only chance to go for promotion with extra finances available. Or they could follow blackpools blueprint, bank all the money personally and fade off into obscurity in the lower leagues? But at least they paid attention to decreasing money eh!. If you say so!
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Post by JoeinOz on May 30, 2018 18:37:32 GMT
John Terry is leaving them
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Post by Northy on May 30, 2018 19:03:53 GMT
We need to get Berahino off the books pretty sharpish, or actually get him up and running if the reports of him being on something like £70,000 a week are true??? Someone please tell me it's not true, after all, I'm only going on what I've seen and read!!! No, it's not true that he's on £70K a week. It's more like £85K a week. Sit down before you read through this link. www.spotrac.com/epl/stoke-city-f.c/payroll/You will be able to see why Berahino, Wimmer and Imbula have to go for good if they don't have decent Championship clauses in their contacts. Wow, Fletcher on £55k a week ffs!
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Post by johnmarshcardschool on May 30, 2018 19:14:10 GMT
No, it's not true that he's on £70K a week. It's more like £85K a week. Sit down before you read through this link. www.spotrac.com/epl/stoke-city-f.c/payroll/You will be able to see why Berahino, Wimmer and Imbula have to go for good if they don't have decent Championship clauses in their contacts. Wow, Fletcher on £55k a week ffs! Is quite scarey how wages jumped up when the last TV deal arrived. In reality, our squad got worse and we paid an absolute fortune for the priveledge...
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on May 30, 2018 19:24:35 GMT
No, it's not true that he's on £70K a week. It's more like £85K a week. Sit down before you read through this link. www.spotrac.com/epl/stoke-city-f.c/payroll/You will be able to see why Berahino, Wimmer and Imbula have to go for good if they don't have decent Championship clauses in their contacts. Wow, Fletcher on £55k a week ffs!
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Post by stokeykez on May 30, 2018 19:38:52 GMT
(Am taking this data from Deloitte's latest report with 2016 data - so perhaps add a bit on, but these numbers just show how shocking this situation is!....) To put into context just how big this 200k /week, its 10m/year - Compare this against the average Champs club revenues of 23m! (17m for those without parachute payments, 33m with parachute). And £10m would be funding something like 2/3 of the entire staff of a mid table/mid sized team. And the other implication - we basically have to remove about 2/3 off our wage bill of c100m if we want revenue to exceed wages next year. But we have parachute payments to cushion this fall.... Thinking about Hull, Newcastle, Sunderland, Boro, the reality for the past few seasons seems to be that clubs who are relegated spend an average of about 30m less in player transfers than they sell, in the year after relegation. But over the next 2-3 years, if still in the division, their wages need to become an average of about 15% of the value they were in the PL, so they shed more. Our hope - Deloitte reported that in the Championship, the wage-to-revenue ratio reached pretty much 100% in 2016, meaning most Champs clubs are skint and £5m should generally be a lot to them if we spot one of their players we like and who the PL clubs show little interest in! Also, if we then move to L1, the revenues reduce by another factor of x4, so 2m should be alot to them if we spot anyone good! There is a strong correlation between wages paid and league position, so we do need to buy... The take out - if we approach this with a business hat on: We need to "do a Villa" and give it a go next year while we still have an advantage over others for 1-2 years, except, unlike with Villa, DONT hire the Whelan's and Terry's who are burning high wages but are not an asset that can be cashed in. VIlla will now have to cash in other assets they may want to keep to balance their books (Grealish? Hourihane? Chester etc?) - its a double whammy to their squad. Whoever we buy now, we may also need to be prepared to have to shed these players in 2-3 years time if we fail to go up. But if that happens, we can at least recycle some cash after servicing the debts and be ready to buy again, albeit more modestly. So we ought, now, to be looking more, perhaps, at 22-27 year olds with resale value than senior pros, unless they take wage cuts. (Ticks for Vydra, Gayle, Pearson; Crosses for Snodgrass, Walters, Huth). (I also hope the "transfer imbeciles" are making Hannover pay a good chunk of Wimmer's wages, otherwise they'd surely have been better letting him go for 3m-5m now.) www2.deloitte.com/uk/en/pages/sports-business-group/articles/annual-review-of-football-finance.htmlGreat post 👍 I wish we'd of gone for more players from the lower leagues who were ok with the English game instead of some of the duffers we gambled on. Even N'zonzi was comfortable in the UK and our style of football with Blackburn. Decent coaches would've brought them on Exactly and luckily for stoke what we do have now is a manager who is realistic about talent in the championship.
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on May 30, 2018 19:40:29 GMT
If they're strapped for cash we should go in for Chester. Good solid defender. Be good for us when we go back up too.
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Post by itsmorethanagame on May 30, 2018 19:44:10 GMT
We need to get Berahino off the books pretty sharpish, or actually get him up and running if the reports of him being on something like £70,000 a week are true??? Someone please tell me it's not true, after all, I'm only going on what I've seen and read!!! No, it's not true that he's on £70K a week. It's more like £85K a week. Sit down before you read through this link. www.spotrac.com/epl/stoke-city-f.c/payroll/You will be able to see why Berahino, Wimmer and Imbula have to go for good if they don't have decent Championship clauses in their contacts. Does anyone know if the figures through this link are reliable? If so just look at the top two on that list. It makes you absolutely sick. Berahinio the top earner on a mental 80k a week. Just why in God’s name did we sanction that. The majority of people on here were doubtful of the signing and that’s before we even knew the extent of it. An absolute waster who can’t even be arsed to turn up on time or put the effort in. We are lumbered with him as there will be absolute no takers. And he’s on the the wages equivalent to three top championship players combined who would bust a gut to play in the premier league. His wages are going to be crippling to us over the next few seasons. Wimmer isn’t far behind but at least we’ve managed to loan him out and get his wage off the books for a season. I wonder how much Charlie is on. If he’s on similar to Fletcher, that’s another 100k a week going to absolute waste. Plus Imbula and Bojan combined, another 100k a week. We really are in a bloody mess.
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Post by johnmarshcardschool on May 31, 2018 21:41:38 GMT
No, it's not true that he's on £70K a week. It's more like £85K a week. Sit down before you read through this link. www.spotrac.com/epl/stoke-city-f.c/payroll/You will be able to see why Berahino, Wimmer and Imbula have to go for good if they don't have decent Championship clauses in their contacts. Does anyone know if the figures through this link are reliable? If so just look at the top two on that list. It makes you absolutely sick. Berahinio the top earner on a mental 80k a week. Just why in God’s name did we sanction that. The majority of people on here were doubtful of the signing and that’s before we even knew the extent of it. An absolute waster who can’t even be arsed to turn up on time or put the effort in. We are lumbered with him as there will be absolute no takers. And he’s on the the wages equivalent to three top championship players combined who would bust a gut to play in the premier league. His wages are going to be crippling to us over the next few seasons. Wimmer isn’t far behind but at least we’ve managed to loan him out and get his wage off the books for a season. I wonder how much Charlie is on. If he’s on similar to Fletcher, that’s another 100k a week going to absolute waste. Plus Imbula and Bojan combined, another 100k a week. We really are in a bloody mess. It was a link that someone posted on the Oatie a few months ago. At the time, I think we all accepted the figures as accurate. I hadn't actually looked at the figures for a few weeks and have noticed that one or two players are missing, eg Charlie & Ireland. Which means that the website regularly updates itself and considers the the two of them no longer with us. I seem to remember that Ireland was on less than £10K per week (still not a bargin tho'). I can't remember what Charlie was on but I think it was £30K a week or so. It will be interesting to have a look at the link again in August, to see what everyone's on once they're slumming it in the Championship
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 16:08:40 GMT
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Post by metalhead on Jun 5, 2018 16:12:33 GMT
Oh dear
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Post by LH_SCFC on Jun 5, 2018 16:24:40 GMT
Ippy I O, Ippy I A, Holte Enders in the shit.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 5, 2018 16:31:34 GMT
A role model for any club abandoning the lunacy of financial sustainability.
I say let's stop paying our taxes now and spend spend spend like there's no tomorrow.
Because there won't be.
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Post by Gods on Jun 5, 2018 16:32:16 GMT
This is sad news. Half my extended family support villa. No one wishes to see a club wind up. They won't get wound up mate, that never happens.
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Post by dutchstokie on Jun 5, 2018 16:35:06 GMT
Be interesting to get staffsvilla point of view
Decent poster he is
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Post by chad on Jun 5, 2018 16:38:06 GMT
Agree no chance they’ll be wound up
But for all those moaning about Coates and wanting a Chinese / American/Russian takeover this should be a salutary message. It doesn’t always work and can go badly wrong
Quite like the Villa so hope they can get over this
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Post by waffles on Jun 5, 2018 17:20:46 GMT
A role model for any club abandoning the lunacy of financial sustainability. I say let's stop paying our taxes now and spend spend spend like there's no tomorrow. Because there won't be. I can confirm that there will actually always be a tomorrow, it might be a bit fucked, but it will actually happen, I can confirm this after several bouts of depression in the past.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 5, 2018 17:45:40 GMT
A role model for any club abandoning the lunacy of financial sustainability. I say let's stop paying our taxes now and spend spend spend like there's no tomorrow. Because there won't be. I can confirm that there will actually always be a tomorrow, it might be a bit fucked, but it will actually happen, I can confirm this after several bouts of depression in the past. Apologies if any offence caused. Depression is a terrible thing - I sincerely hope it isn't something you'll go through again.
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Post by DrGonzo on Jun 5, 2018 18:05:59 GMT
This is sad news. Half my extended family support villa. No one wishes to see a club wind up. They won't get wound up mate, that never happens. Not sure what you mean here? They either have to pay up, dispute the dept, organise a CVA or go into liquidation. Clubs have gone into liquidation in the past.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jun 5, 2018 18:07:14 GMT
If only they had a white knight with a few quid to spare...
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Post by thebet365 on Jun 5, 2018 18:13:12 GMT
They won't get wound up mate, that never happens. Not sure what you mean here? They either have to pay up, dispute the dept, organise a CVA or go into liquidation. Clubs have gone into liquidation in the past. How many clubs over the last 15 years or so have been threatened with a winding up order. And how many have gone out of business?
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Post by Gods on Jun 5, 2018 18:22:54 GMT
They won't get wound up mate, that never happens. Not sure what you mean here? They either have to pay up, dispute the dept, organise a CVA or go into liquidation. Clubs have gone into liquidation in the past. Yes but he said 'wound up', I can't think of a football club in this country which has been wound up in my lifetime, not one in the top 2 divisions anyway and certainly not one on the scale of Aston Villa, it won't happen, that's what I mean!
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 5, 2018 18:37:47 GMT
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