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Post by alster on May 27, 2018 19:12:33 GMT
I'd prefer it if players did not use our club or any other as a platform for their political or religious views whether I agree with them or not. I just don't think it is appropriate. Equally why should someone be forced to support political symbols they disagree with, last time I checked this is still a free country. They shouldn't be asked to but the poppy is supposed to be non political anyway. At the end of the day it's got to be a group decision. If he feels so strongly and no one else feels that way he should be excluded and lose pay for that game. Refusing to wear it just draws attention to his stance. What if he objected to the sponsors name on his shirt does he have a right not to wear that too?
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Post by alster on May 27, 2018 19:14:58 GMT
Admin! Surely this is one for the Everything Else board now. I have a great interest in politics but I have no interest in seeing it debated on the football section of the site. If I open a thread with the name of a player, I'm looking for a discussion about the player and not his political views. Unfortunately this player has drawn attention to his views to a point where his football and his politics are inseparable. He should never have been allowed to do it in the first place.
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Post by str8outtahampton on May 27, 2018 19:25:06 GMT
I think that all right thinking people in this country are SICK and TIRED of being told that ordinary decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I'm certainly not. And I’m sick and tired of being told that I am.
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Post by Veritas on May 27, 2018 19:29:11 GMT
Equally why should someone be forced to support political symbols they disagree with, last time I checked this is still a free country. They shouldn't be asked to but the poppy is supposed to be non political anyway. At the end of the day it's got to be a group decision. If he feels so strongly and no one else feels that way he should be excluded and lose pay for that game. Refusing to wear it just draws attention to his stance. What if he objected to the sponsors name on his shirt does he have a right not to wear that too? But the poppy is a political symbol for some, you and I may see it as non political but those who do are entitled to their opinion, why on earth should someone lose a days pay because they don't agree with the majority view. That is the start of the slippery slope that ends in tyranny
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Post by alster on May 27, 2018 19:30:40 GMT
They shouldn't be asked to but the poppy is supposed to be non political anyway. At the end of the day it's got to be a group decision. If he feels so strongly and no one else feels that way he should be excluded and lose pay for that game. Refusing to wear it just draws attention to his stance. What if he objected to the sponsors name on his shirt does he have a right not to wear that too? But the poppy is a political symbol for some, you and I may see it as non political but those who do are entitled to their opinion, why on earth should someone lose a days pay because they don't agree with the majority view. That is the start of the slippery slope that ends in tyranny Not really its just democracy in action. As I said if he objects to the sponsors name on his shirt is he within his rights not to wear that as well?
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Post by Veritas on May 27, 2018 19:32:58 GMT
But the poppy is a political symbol for some, you and I may see it as non political but those who do are entitled to their opinion, why on earth should someone lose a days pay because they don't agree with the majority view. That is the start of the slippery slope that ends in tyranny Not really its just democracy in action. If that's what you equate with democracy in am happy you are nowhere near the levers of power.
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Post by TheWiseMaster on May 27, 2018 19:40:36 GMT
.....which brings us right back to the kernel of this thread. James McClean, should he end up at Stoke, will divide opinion. He has broken no law (unlike increasing numbers of footballers and sports people generally). He merely holds very strong political opinions with which a number of people on here disagree. It is your privilege as citizens of an open democracy to air your anger/disgust/loathing as it is his to ignore you. Such freedoms are what demoracies are built on in the first place. Freedoms that countless individuals, groups and peoples throughout history were prepared to die for. Catholics in Derry marched and died for the right to be treated equally to their protestant neighbours. This wasn't in the middle ages; this was 1972, no more than 200 miles from the centre of Stoke-on-Trent. Excuse me for letting football interrupt a heated political debate, but if McClean does, indeed, end up at Stoke, you can shout your displeasure as loudly as you wish, as is your right. Me? As a passionate, obsessive Stoke fan for over fifty years, I will be shouting my support of him louder than you, not because I agree with all of his views (I don't, but I try to understand where they come from), but because he wears the colours of the club I love. Spot on - clearly we have some unionist (NI/Scotland) supporters who are welcome to vent their feelings - but don't try to foist you views on us thanks
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Post by realstokebloke on May 27, 2018 19:57:13 GMT
Oh, and fyi, it's Londonderry.
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Post by werrington on May 27, 2018 20:04:10 GMT
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Post by Boothen on May 27, 2018 20:05:24 GMT
But the poppy is a political symbol for some, you and I may see it as non political but those who do are entitled to their opinion, why on earth should someone lose a days pay because they don't agree with the majority view. That is the start of the slippery slope that ends in tyranny Not really its just democracy in action. As I said if he objects to the sponsors name on his shirt is he within his rights not to wear that as well? Didn't work for Cisse at Newcastle, and he played the only thing people are genuinely terrified of - the Islam card. So I doubt it'd work for this Irish cunt.
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Post by TheWiseMaster on May 27, 2018 20:11:24 GMT
And I reckon Irish Cunt is racist...
Haven't we just had several Irish stars playing for us for many years?
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Post by Boothen on May 27, 2018 20:12:16 GMT
And I reckon Irish Cunt is racist... Haven't we just had several Irish stars playing for us for many years? He's Irish and he's a cunt. What's 'racist' about being factual?
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Post by spitthedog on May 27, 2018 20:14:23 GMT
Admin! Surely this is one for the Everything Else board now. I have a great interest in politics but I have no interest in seeing it debated on the football section of the site. If I open a thread with the name of a player, I'm looking for a discussion about the player and not his political views. Unfortunately this player has drawn attention to his views to a point where his football and his politics are inseparable. He should never have been allowed to do it in the first place. that is censorship! Why shouldn't he, or anybody else have the right to express their views just because he is a footballer, or you don't agree with them?
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Post by spitthedog on May 27, 2018 20:15:55 GMT
And I reckon Irish Cunt is racist... Haven't we just had several Irish stars playing for us for many years? He's Irish and he's a cunt. What's 'racist' about being factual? The only fact there is that you don't know the difference between fact and opinion.
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Post by TheWiseMaster on May 27, 2018 20:19:43 GMT
And I reckon Irish Cunt is racist... Haven't we just had several Irish stars playing for us for many years? He's Irish and he's a cunt. What's 'racist' about being factual? Racist answer - pure and simple!
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Post by alster on May 27, 2018 20:20:29 GMT
Unfortunately this player has drawn attention to his views to a point where his football and his politics are inseparable. He should never have been allowed to do it in the first place. that is censorship! Why shouldn't he, or anybody else have the right to express their views just because he is a footballer, or you don't agree with them? Because when he's representing his club as an employee his views reflect on the club. Plenty of jobs restrict what views you are allowed to express during working hours it's really not unusual.
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Post by alster on May 27, 2018 20:22:44 GMT
He's Irish and he's a cunt. What's 'racist' about being factual? The only fact there is that you don't know the difference between fact and opinion. It's a fact he is Irish and an opinion that he is a cunt neither of those things are racist.
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Post by TheWiseMaster on May 27, 2018 20:41:21 GMT
The only fact there is that you don't know the difference between fact and opinion. It's a fact he is Irish and an opinion that he is a cunt neither of those things are racist. Try using that explanation when you are arrested for racism at Stoke for shouting out 'Irish Cunt' to any player
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Post by TexasPotter on May 27, 2018 20:42:45 GMT
As a Stoke then Rangers fan he can get fucked peddling the trouble with football besides he’s no better than SJW. Fuck him, that’s my two cents.
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Post by TheWiseMaster on May 27, 2018 20:47:26 GMT
As a Stoke then Rangers fan he can get fucked peddling the trouble with football besides he’s no better than SJW. Fuck him, that’s my two cents. I reckon most Stoke fans would rate SJW as one of our better signings in the last decade?
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Post by pottercelt67 on May 27, 2018 20:53:17 GMT
As a Stoke then Rangers fan he can get fucked peddling the trouble with football besides he’s no better than SJW. Fuck him, that’s my two cents. And there lies the problem
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Post by trickydicky73 on May 27, 2018 20:56:39 GMT
It's a fact he is Irish and an opinion that he is a cunt neither of those things are racist. Try using that explanation when you are arrested for racism at Stoke for shouting out 'Irish Cunt' to any player Yet "Welsh Twat" was perfectly acceptable on here not long ago! 😁
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Post by skip on May 27, 2018 20:56:56 GMT
I've never understood why Stoke fans get a semi on over Rangers and I never will.
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Post by alster on May 27, 2018 20:58:11 GMT
It's a fact he is Irish and an opinion that he is a cunt neither of those things are racist. Try using that explanation when you are arrested for racism at Stoke for shouting out 'Irish Cunt' to any player You are very naive if you think you'd be charged with a racist offence for calling anyone an Irish cunt. You may get charged with a public order offence but you would have to have a degree of racial hatred or discrimination to get charged with a racially agravated offence.
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Post by skip on May 27, 2018 21:12:12 GMT
Try using that explanation when you are arrested for racism at Stoke for shouting out 'Irish Cunt' to any player You are very naive if you think you'd be charged with a racist offence for calling anyone an Irish cunt. You may get charged with a public order offence but you would have to have a degree of racial hatred or discrimination to get charged with a racially agravated offence. Oh my and FML. Using a person's nationality as a prefix when using insulting language is <drum roll> a racist statement. Ergo, referring to someone as an Irish cunt is determining that their cuntishness is determined by their race or nationality. If you want to test it out, I'm sure you can find a sodding great big Irish bloke somewhere in a pub and ask him is he would mind being called an Irish Cunt. Try it after a few pints just to make certain.
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Post by alster on May 27, 2018 21:16:11 GMT
You are very naive if you think you'd be charged with a racist offence for calling anyone an Irish cunt. You may get charged with a public order offence but you would have to have a degree of racial hatred or discrimination to get charged with a racially agravated offence. Oh my and FML. Using a person's nationality as a prefix when using insulting language is <drum roll> a racist statement. Ergo, referring to someone as an Irish cunt is determining that their cuntishness is determined by their race or nationality. If you want to test it out, I'm sure you can find a sodding great big Irish bloke somewhere in a pub and ask him is he would mind being called an Irish Cunt. Try it after a few pints just to make certain. Very dramatic but not really an acid test of whether it is sufficient to be charged with a racially aggravated offence under criminal law.
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Post by trickydicky73 on May 27, 2018 21:19:30 GMT
You are very naive if you think you'd be charged with a racist offence for calling anyone an Irish cunt. You may get charged with a public order offence but you would have to have a degree of racial hatred or discrimination to get charged with a racially agravated offence. Oh my and FML. Using a person's nationality as a prefix when using insulting language is <drum roll> a racist statement. Ergo, referring to someone as an Irish cunt is determining that their cuntishness is determined by their race or nationality. If you want to test it out, I'm sure you can find a sodding great big Irish bloke somewhere in a pub and ask him is he would mind being called an Irish Cunt. Try it after a few pints just to make certain. Wouldn't the "cunt" bit be more the problem? 😜
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Post by skip on May 27, 2018 21:19:47 GMT
Oh my and FML. Using a person's nationality as a prefix when using insulting language is <drum roll> a racist statement. Ergo, referring to someone as an Irish cunt is determining that their cuntishness is determined by their race or nationality. If you want to test it out, I'm sure you can find a sodding great big Irish bloke somewhere in a pub and ask him is he would mind being called an Irish Cunt. Try it after a few pints just to make certain. Very dramatic but not really an acid test of whether it is sufficient to be charged with a racially aggravated offence under criminal law. Thanks, but seriously, in this day and age, a player getting slagged off because of his heritage. Really? It's not a good look is it.
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Post by Pugsley on May 27, 2018 21:20:42 GMT
McClean is shit, thick as shit, and a dirty shit.
We haven't a clue if we're signing this kind of footballer.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 21:23:09 GMT
McClean is shit, thick as shit, and a dirty shit. We haven't a clue if we're signing this kind of footballer. Hughes didn't sign much better did he? Players that turned up when they felt like it, disloyal shits that left after less than a year of signing new deals and players that posed for selfies after getting whacked for 5 at Wembley.
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