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Post by jarvinski on May 23, 2018 16:36:23 GMT
Fuck hughes
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 23, 2018 16:37:39 GMT
Do you think that's an apt comparison? Of course it is. They overspent to get to that level. Not saying we had to spend on their level but if we were in direct competition with a more desirable club usually Southampton if you want to beat them to the punch you have to outspend them by a margin big enough to change the perception of the deals on offer. We simply refused to do that at any stage. They said it a hundred time “we’ll only sign players on the right deal” just cements your position in the food chain. Ambitious clubs break down barriers not imprison them self’s inside them. So what club of our size has done that?
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Post by pottersrule on May 23, 2018 16:38:04 GMT
Hughes will finish top 10 next season. Talented squad that massively underachieved won't take much tweaking..... Not so sure mate i think Southampton are now paying for selling their best players season after season. There is a point where it becomes unsustainable. We have found to our cost that Hughes is incapable of building his own team, he can't even keep the fuckers fit.
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 16:42:14 GMT
Of course it is. They overspent to get to that level. Not saying we had to spend on their level but if we were in direct competition with a more desirable club usually Southampton if you want to beat them to the punch you have to outspend them by a margin big enough to change the perception of the deals on offer. We simply refused to do that at any stage. They said it a hundred time “we’ll only sign players on the right deal” just cements your position in the food chain. Ambitious clubs break down barriers not imprison them self’s inside them. So what club of our size has done that? Leicester, Bournemouth, West Ham off the top of my head they show ambition in the market and on the pitch not hem themselves in with this club of our size bollocks.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 23, 2018 16:57:58 GMT
So what club of our size has done that? Leicester, Bournemouth, West Ham off the top of my head they show ambition in the market and on the pitch not hem themselves in with this club of our size bollocks. Leicester did it when they had Champions League football they could offer. They’re still, that season apart, not even managing to finish as the best of the rest. Have Bournemouth been paying over the odds? I must’ve missed that. West Ham try every season to ‘break’ into the elite and for all the money they try to throw around they struggle to get the names they target. They’ve spent the last two seasons talking about signing every big name striker under the sun, and ended up with Zaza and a washed up Chicarito. They’re hardly the proof of the ‘spending over the odds gets you where you want to be’ argument, especially since they were still in a relegation battle with two weeks of the season left. I can’t imagine we were in a position to blow the likes of Southampton or Leicester out of the water, and even if we’d offered a better wage, which we might’ve done for all we know, both of those clubs were perceived as being brighter prospects than ours - Soton because they’d been in Europe, had a string of good league finishes and were a stepping stone to bigger clubs, Leicester because they’d won the league and that glow still hadn’t entirely evaporated. I can’t imagine pushing the club far beyond its means ends up with a happy ending.
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 17:07:18 GMT
Leicester, Bournemouth, West Ham off the top of my head they show ambition in the market and on the pitch not hem themselves in with this club of our size bollocks. Leicester did it when they had Champions League football they could offer. They’re still, that season apart, not even managing to finish as the best of the rest. Have Bournemouth been paying over the odds? I must’ve missed that. West Ham try every season to ‘break’ into the elite and for all the money they try to throw around they struggle to get the names they target. They’ve spent the last two seasons talking about signing every big name striker under the sun, and ended up with Zaza and a washed up Chicarito. They’re hardly the proof of the ‘spending over the odds gets you where you want to be’ argument, especially since they were still in a relegation battle with two weeks of the season left. I can’t imagine we were in a position to blow the likes of Southampton or Leicester out of the water, and even if we’d offered a better wage, which we might’ve done for all we know, both of those clubs were perceived as being brighter prospects than ours - Soton because they’d been in Europe, had a string of good league finishes and were a stepping stone to bigger clubs, Leicester because they’d won the league and that glow still hadn’t entirely evaporated. I can’t imagine pushing the club far beyond its means ends up with a happy ending. Yeah I can just imagine us landing pellegrini. Whether it works or not they show ambition. Last study I read as a club they had an estimated value considerably below ours and their owners are definitely nowhere near as stashed. Obviously the first part might have changed now we are bleeding from this self inflicted wound. Our club reeks of smalltime mentality and outdated old fashioned values. It's everybit as responsible for our situation as Mark Hughes as muddled as he became here.
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Post by kustokie on May 23, 2018 17:15:07 GMT
To be fair, wasn’t Blackburn pretty much a team he built from scratch? Glad the blokes gone but he’s no worse than many others, also he did extremely well for Wales too. He did. However, it was a long time ago, and he has not been able to replicate that any he’s been since.
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Post by eastyorksexile on May 23, 2018 17:27:35 GMT
100% agree, time to forget about him and plan for the future, some people just can’t let go......
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 23, 2018 17:28:50 GMT
Leicester did it when they had Champions League football they could offer. They’re still, that season apart, not even managing to finish as the best of the rest. Have Bournemouth been paying over the odds? I must’ve missed that. West Ham try every season to ‘break’ into the elite and for all the money they try to throw around they struggle to get the names they target. They’ve spent the last two seasons talking about signing every big name striker under the sun, and ended up with Zaza and a washed up Chicarito. They’re hardly the proof of the ‘spending over the odds gets you where you want to be’ argument, especially since they were still in a relegation battle with two weeks of the season left. I can’t imagine we were in a position to blow the likes of Southampton or Leicester out of the water, and even if we’d offered a better wage, which we might’ve done for all we know, both of those clubs were perceived as being brighter prospects than ours - Soton because they’d been in Europe, had a string of good league finishes and were a stepping stone to bigger clubs, Leicester because they’d won the league and that glow still hadn’t entirely evaporated. I can’t imagine pushing the club far beyond its means ends up with a happy ending. Yeah I can just imagine us landing pellegrini. Whether it works or not they show ambition. Last study I read as a club they had an estimated value considerably below ours and their owners are definitely nowhere near as stashed. Obviously the first part might have changed now we are bleeding from this self inflicted wound. Our club reeks of smalltime mentality and outdated old fashioned values. It's everybit as responsible for our situation as Mark Hughes as muddled as he became here. The whole argument was whether it works or not though wasn’t it? My point was that West Ham do all the things you want us to do but it hasn’t got them the marquee players they want or to where they want to be. All I’m saying is that while there’s no doubt the transfer team is incompetent, sometimes players join clubs for reasons beyond our control. It’s not always just about money.
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 17:30:21 GMT
Yeah I can just imagine us landing pellegrini. Whether it works or not they show ambition. Last study I read as a club they had an estimated value considerably below ours and their owners are definitely nowhere near as stashed. Obviously the first part might have changed now we are bleeding from this self inflicted wound. Our club reeks of smalltime mentality and outdated old fashioned values. It's everybit as responsible for our situation as Mark Hughes as muddled as he became here. The whole argument was whether it works or not though wasn’t it? My point was that West Ham do all the things you want us to do but it hasn’t got them the marquee players they want or to where they want to be. All I’m saying is that while there’s no doubt the transfer team is incompetent, sometimes players join clubs for reasons beyond our control. It’s not always just about money. No just 99.9% of the time. Edit: It got them our best player for a start.
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Post by skip on May 23, 2018 17:32:35 GMT
I hope he stays and they crash and burn, the silver haired passive aggressive cunt.
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Post by loosestools on May 23, 2018 17:41:36 GMT
I hope he stays and they crash and burn, the silver haired passive aggressive cunt. Hear Hear! I cant stand the arrogant twat, more interested in stuffing his wallet with our cash.
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Post by maninasuitcase on May 23, 2018 17:42:33 GMT
To be fair a bloody big portion of the players that played well to get us to lofty positions were the ones he signed. Arnie/Shaq/Wingie/Bojan etc Dont let facts get in the way of a good old Hughes bashing!!! Exactly. He deserves bashing. With a big Welsh daffodil.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 23, 2018 17:43:59 GMT
The whole argument was whether it works or not though wasn’t it? My point was that West Ham do all the things you want us to do but it hasn’t got them the marquee players they want or to where they want to be. All I’m saying is that while there’s no doubt the transfer team is incompetent, sometimes players join clubs for reasons beyond our control. It’s not always just about money. No just 99.9% of the time. Edit: It got them our best player for a start. Players want to win things - that's as important to a lot of them as money. It's a short career and they want to be as successful as they can be. West Ham might've been able to get our best player, but it's all relative - the really big names they crave and they're always going on about still won't touch them. Even when they did sign a world class player they could barely keep him 18 months before he wanted out again, and took a substantial pay cut to do so.
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Post by claytonscrubs on May 23, 2018 17:51:45 GMT
The bloke is a fraud end of He is the best faker of 9th place finishes that I have ever seen. Don’t forget his respectable 13th place, a penalty kick from a League Cup Final, 3 top ten finishes with Blackburn, 8th place in his only season with Fulham, a good job with Wales, guiding Southampton to Prem League safety......Fraudster? My arse! The only fraudster I know is Lambert, who’s done fook all since his Norwich days, where he had the help of Culverhouse and Karsa as part of his backroom staff. But everyone’s entitled to their opinion, even the Hughes bashing wolf pack.....Some people just can’t let go 😉😀
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 17:54:31 GMT
No just 99.9% of the time. Edit: It got them our best player for a start. Players want to win things - that's as important to a lot of them as money. It's a short career and they want to be as successful as they can be. West Ham might've been able to get our best player, but it's all relative - the really big names they crave and they're always going on about still won't touch them. Even when they did sign a world class player they could barely keep him 18 months before he wanted out again, and took a substantial pay cut to do so. It isn't relative at all they got our best player because they have the ambition to do these things to push the boat out. Who knows one day it might all just come together but if you don't try you'll never know. Our boat has never left the jetty because our owners are too busy safety checking everysingle thing that could go wrong no matter how implausible. They bet on being frugal incase the Premier League money bubble burst. Now we all get to play whip n top whilst the other kids run off with their balloons.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 17:55:57 GMT
To be fair a bloody big portion of the players that played well to get us to lofty positions were the ones he signed. Arnie/Shaq/Wingie/Bojan etc True but the spine of the team through all that were Pulis players, when they started shipping out and we didn't replace like for like the problems began. I thought the problems started when Hughes stopped playing his best players (who he bought) and replaced them with worse players, who he also bought.
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 18:03:56 GMT
True but the spine of the team through all that were Pulis players, when they started shipping out and we didn't replace like for like the problems began. I thought the problems started when Hughes stopped playing his best players (who he bought) and replaced them with worse players, who he also bought. They started in earnest when he decided he didn't want to be Mark Hughes anymore and would rather be Tony Pulis, he was really shit at it.
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Post by CalgaryPotter on May 23, 2018 18:06:46 GMT
One of my favourite recent tweets: Perfection!
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Post by Pugsley on May 23, 2018 18:14:22 GMT
Will be interesting to see what Hughes does with a Southampton squad half full of players he wanted at Stoke.
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Post by thegift on May 23, 2018 18:15:11 GMT
As much as everyone wants to bash Hughes, did anyone notice he kept Saints up whilst we went down without a whimper under Lambert? Just log off Southampton's team was 10x ours after your mate leslie ruined it with his shit houses. He inherited a quality squad full of pace.
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 18:16:06 GMT
As much as everyone wants to bash Hughes, did anyone notice he kept Saints up whilst we went down without a whimper under Lambert? Just log off Southampton's team was 10x ours after your mate leslie ruined it with his shit houses. He inherited an quality squad full of space.
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Post by Pugsley on May 23, 2018 18:16:47 GMT
As much as everyone wants to bash Hughes, did anyone notice he kept Saints up whilst we went down without a whimper under Lambert? Just log off Southampton's team was 10x ours after your mate leslie ruined it with his shit houses. He inherited an quality squad full of space. I think you're getting confused with what's between your ears.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on May 23, 2018 18:17:03 GMT
yup, we wouldn't listen to QPR fans because of the up turn in performances, but they were bang on. likelihood is that the saints fans wont listen to us, that's fine but I am sure it will all end in tears It generally always ends in tears for clubs of our stature though. Most managers lose their way and get sacked or leave , that’s just what happens.... Very true. I'm still quite bitter about what he and Cartwright have done over the last 2 years. Anyway, time to move on, the futures bright!
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 18:21:28 GMT
As much as everyone wants to bash Hughes, did anyone notice he kept Saints up whilst we went down without a whimper under Lambert? Just log off Southampton's team was 10x ours after your mate leslie ruined it with his shit houses. He inherited a quality squad full of pace. You might have edited it but I've still got the original
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Post by thegift on May 23, 2018 18:22:38 GMT
Just log off Southampton's team was 10x ours after your mate leslie ruined it with his shit houses. He inherited a quality squad full of pace. You might have edited it but I've still got the original Was a typo mate thats what you get for a MacBook with an american keyboard
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 18:26:15 GMT
You might have edited it but I've still got the original Was a typo mate thats what you get for a MacBook with an american keyboard I prefer Pugsley's explanation.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 18:47:09 GMT
yup, we wouldn't listen to QPR fans because of the up turn in performances, but they were bang on. likelihood is that the saints fans wont listen to us, that's fine but I am sure it will all end in tears It generally always ends in tears for clubs of our stature though. Most managers lose their way and get sacked or leave , that’s just what happens.... Not on the scale it happened at our place it doesnt.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 18:48:13 GMT
It generally always ends in tears for clubs of our stature though. Most managers lose their way and get sacked or leave , that’s just what happens.... Not on the scale it happened at our place it doesnt. It does. It happened to West Brom only this season for example...
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on May 23, 2018 18:56:09 GMT
He is the best faker of 9th place finishes that I have ever seen. Don’t forget his respectable 13th place, a penalty kick from a League Cup Final, 3 top ten finishes with Blackburn, 8th place in his only season with Fulham, a good job with Wales, guiding Southampton to Prem League safety......Fraudster? My arse! The only Fraudster I know is Lambert, who’s done fook all since his Norwich days, where he had the help of Culverhouse and Karsa as part of his backroom staff. But everyone’s entitled to their opinion, even the Hughes bashing wolf pack.....Some people just can’t let go 😉😀 Hughes lost interest when the hierarchy did which, of course, is to his detriment.
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