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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 15:42:43 GMT
I agree, my point is people slaughter the pizza boys in one thread for the transfers, next thread it’s all Hughes. I think it’s about time people realise some players are bought without the managers approval I'm not sure anyone at Stoke was. I don't think most transfer structures like this work that way. They're driven by the manager, he has his own targets and own ideas, and the others makes suggestions based on the positions and attributes he's looking for to supplement them. I think we missed out on enough players we had talks with that would have been far better than those we did sign to say we’ll never really know how much blame to apportion to each of them. That’s why I think we should have cleared the decks and started from scratch.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 23, 2018 15:43:48 GMT
The bloke is a fraud end of He is the best faker of 9th place finishes that I have ever seen. Its what happened after that’s more important to me but each to their own
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 15:44:02 GMT
I agree, my point is people slaughter the pizza boys in one thread for the transfers, next thread it’s all Hughes. I think it’s about time people realise some players are bought without the managers approval Well then if that's the case he should have made it known and not played them. Pulis never did when the Icelandics bought him players. That’s because he’s a twat.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 23, 2018 15:44:28 GMT
I'm not sure anyone at Stoke was. I don't think most transfer structures like this work that way. They're driven by the manager, he has his own targets and own ideas, and the others makes suggestions based on the positions and attributes he's looking for to supplement them. I think we missed out on enough players we had talks with that would have been far better than those we did sign to say we’ll never really know how much blame to apportion to each of them. That’s why I think we should have cleared the decks and started from scratch. Oh I'd have got rid of all of them, absolutely. I'm not sure how far missing out on them was anyone's fault or just one of those things really.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 23, 2018 15:44:50 GMT
He is the best faker of 9th place finishes that I have ever seen. Its what happened after that’s more important to me but each to their own You can't just dismiss all that and cry 'fraud' though Mutts, surely?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 23, 2018 15:46:18 GMT
Its what happened after that’s more important to me but each to their own You can't just dismiss all that and cry 'fraud' though Mutts, surely? I can mate but like I say that’s my opinion.
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Post by cheadlestokie on May 23, 2018 15:46:56 GMT
Just do not give him any money to spend - waste.
QPR and us
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 23, 2018 15:48:54 GMT
You can't just dismiss all that and cry 'fraud' though Mutts, surely? I can mate but like I say that’s my opinion. You can, but it wouldn't be a reasonable or objective way of looking at it, would it? Surely it's fairer to say there was some good, then some bad, than just uniformly dismiss the good like it never happened? That's mental.
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 15:49:16 GMT
I think we missed out on enough players we had talks with that would have been far better than those we did sign to say we’ll never really know how much blame to apportion to each of them. That’s why I think we should have cleared the decks and started from scratch. Oh I'd have got rid of all of them, absolutely. I'm not sure how far missing out on them was anyone's fault or just one of those things really. If they were willing to come and talk to us they would have signed if the deals were right. I don’t buy that they just fancied a look around Clayton Wood. To not stretch for top targets then end up blowing nearly as much on third fourth choice compromises was unforgivable false economy.
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Post by wagsastokie on May 23, 2018 15:53:16 GMT
Amazes me how Scholes and Cartwright are shit as they sign awful players, yet it’s all Hughes fault that they were there If Hughes had no choice in who was signed then that also adds the lack of integrity to his crime sheet He should of walked or just maybe they were his choices in which case he is guilty of gross negligence
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 23, 2018 15:56:10 GMT
I can mate but like I say that’s my opinion. You can, but it wouldn't be a reasonable or objective way of looking at it, would it? Surely it's fairer to say there was some good, then some bad, than just uniformly dismiss the good like it never happened? That's mental. Of course there was some good and that’s what makes what happened last season harder to swallow for me.To let players get away with what went on and the stories that have come out just make my blood boil.The tweet in this thread is absolutely spot on and sums him up to a tee imo
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on May 23, 2018 15:56:51 GMT
Just do not give him any money to spend - waste. QPR and us yup, we wouldn't listen to QPR fans because of the up turn in performances, but they were bang on. likelihood is that the saints fans wont listen to us, that's fine but I am sure it will all end in tears
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 23, 2018 15:57:00 GMT
Oh I'd have got rid of all of them, absolutely. I'm not sure how far missing out on them was anyone's fault or just one of those things really. If they were willing to come and talk to us they would have signed if the deals were right. I don’t buy that they just fancied a look around Clayton Wood. To not stretch for top targets then end up blowing nearly as much on third fourth choice compromises was unforgivable false economy. I think in many cases they just chose a club they perceived had better prospects and was a better stepping stone.
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 15:57:57 GMT
Amazes me how Scholes and Cartwright are shit as they sign awful players, yet it’s all Hughes fault that they were there If Hughes had no choice in who was signed then that also adds the lack of integrity to his crime sheet He should of walked or just maybe they were his choices in which case he is guilty of gross negligence So if initially he wanted Harry Maguire(we had talks) but ended up agreeing to sign Wimmer for the same sort of money because our crack negotiator couldn’t do the first choice deal he’s totally culpable?
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 15:58:54 GMT
Just do not give him any money to spend - waste. QPR and us yup, we wouldn't listen to QPR fans because of the up turn in performances, but they were bang on. likelihood is that the saints fans wont listen to us, that's fine but I am sure it will all end in tears It generally always ends in tears for clubs of our stature though. Most managers lose their way and get sacked or leave , that’s just what happens....
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 15:59:22 GMT
As much as everyone wants to bash Hughes, did anyone notice he kept Saints up whilst we went down without a whimper under Lambert? 3 great seasons 1 mediocre 1 abysmal Great times but overstayed his welcome 😬
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Post by lloydcolesguitar on May 23, 2018 15:59:36 GMT
A snippet from a Saints fan mate of mine: "we haven't got a manager at the moment. no news from the club. Rumour has it that it's all done, but that rumour came out a week ago. Some other ITK reckoned that we were sounding out other options. It'll be Hughes, I'm sure."Not just our board who are serial ditherers I was never a "bring on the Championship" type but I have to admit if someone offered me to swap with Southampton now, i.e. scraping survival with Hughes at the helm for the coming season, I'd have to think twice... Yeah sure you would
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 23, 2018 15:59:50 GMT
You can, but it wouldn't be a reasonable or objective way of looking at it, would it? Surely it's fairer to say there was some good, then some bad, than just uniformly dismiss the good like it never happened? That's mental. Of course there was some good and that’s what makes what happened last season harder to swallow for me.To let players get away with what went on and the stories that have come out just make my blood boil.The tweet in this thread is absolutely spot on and sums him up to a tee imo So he can't be a complete fraud then mate. By all means hate him but the rewriting of history some are engaging in that says it was one long nightmare is daft.
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 16:01:48 GMT
If they were willing to come and talk to us they would have signed if the deals were right. I don’t buy that they just fancied a look around Clayton Wood. To not stretch for top targets then end up blowing nearly as much on third fourth choice compromises was unforgivable false economy. I think in many cases they just chose a club they perceived had better prospects and was a better stepping stone. In which case you have to make sure you’re offering them a better deal. You have to overpay to elevate your position in the food chain. How do you think Chelsea and Man City broke into the elite?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 23, 2018 16:03:11 GMT
I think in many cases they just chose a club they perceived had better prospects and was a better stepping stone. In which case you have to make sure you’re offering them a better deal. You have to overpay to elevate your position in the food chain. How do you think Chelsea and Man City broke into the elite? Do you think that's an apt comparison?
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 16:14:07 GMT
In which case you have to make sure you’re offering them a better deal. You have to overpay to elevate your position in the food chain. How do you think Chelsea and Man City broke into the elite? Do you think that's an apt comparison? Of course it is. They overspent to get to that level. Not saying we had to spend on their level but if we were in direct competition with a more desirable club usually Southampton if you want to beat them to the punch you have to outspend them by a margin big enough to change the perception of the deals on offer. We simply refused to do that at any stage. They said it a hundred time “we’ll only sign players on the right deal” just cements your position in the food chain. Ambitious clubs break down barriers not imprison them self’s inside them.
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Post by xchpotter on May 23, 2018 16:15:19 GMT
I hope he does get it and completely fucks them up so he’s found out again.
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Post by nott1 on May 23, 2018 16:18:26 GMT
Getting rid worked out well didn't it?
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 16:22:26 GMT
Getting rid worked out well didn't it? Only an absolute moron would argue that Hughes shouldn’t have been sacked.
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 16:26:14 GMT
Getting rid worked out well didn't it? Only an absolute moron would argue that Hughes shouldn’t have been sacked. You don’t sack your manager until you’ve got an agreement with his replacement. Everybody laughed at Wolves when they sacked McCarthy and no fucker would take the job. Our board obviously missed that lesson. They’re too fucking old fashioned.
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Post by nott1 on May 23, 2018 16:26:40 GMT
Getting rid worked out well didn't it? Only an absolute moron would argue that Hughes shouldn’t have been sacked. Only a moron would would say I just said that!
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 16:26:49 GMT
Cuckoo. Cuckoo.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 16:27:46 GMT
Only an absolute moron would argue that Hughes shouldn’t have been sacked. You don’t sack your manager until you’ve got an agreement with his replacement. Everybody laughed at Wolves when they sacked McCarthy and no fucker would take the job. Our board obviously missed that lesson. They’re too fucking old fashioned. They just left it way too long before sacking him and then panicked. Appointing Lambert was always going to end in disaster.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 16:29:50 GMT
Only an absolute moron would argue that Hughes shouldn’t have been sacked. Only a moron would would say I just said that! You’ve been saying we shouldn’t have got rid of Hughes ever since he was sacked.
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 16:32:31 GMT
You don’t sack your manager until you’ve got an agreement with his replacement. Everybody laughed at Wolves when they sacked McCarthy and no fucker would take the job. Our board obviously missed that lesson. They’re too fucking old fashioned. They just left it way too long before sacking him and then panicked. Appointing Lambert was always going to end in disaster. No they just did it all in the wrong order. If they’d done things in the right order they’d have realised no fucker would take the job on their terms so might as well have left it until the Summer.
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