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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 20:26:58 GMT
It won’t take you a second to list 3/4 quickly then will it? Burnley Spurs West Ham Dracula. None stick out as particularly horrendous. He had an average season in a shit team, to go above and beyond that is sensationalist. Surprised you haven’t mentioned he’s “a bit of a twat” as well.....
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 7, 2018 20:28:21 GMT
Burnley Spurs West Ham Dracula. None stick out as particularly horrendous. He had an average season in a shit team, to go above and beyond that is sensationalist. Surprised you haven’t mentioned he’s “a bit of a twat” as well..... The West Ham and Spurs ones were shocking for a goalie of his standard.
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Post by mrcholmondleywarner on Aug 7, 2018 20:28:59 GMT
That was in the past mate.. We're talking now. You've seen how quickly Joe Hart' s career has disintegrated.. It happens with keepers Green Carson etc I agree he's playing nowhere near as well as he was when he was number 2 to Hart. But you brought that up not me. He is going through a rough time which is why we need to get behind him and give him our support. If we'd sold him for £20m £30m or £40m do you think that would have been re-invested in players with our owners form? We'd never have replaced him like for like. And if as you say keepers can go down the pan rapidly who's to say Kieran Westwood wouldn't look like a rabbit in the headlights behind the colander that is our defence and midfield. Jack Butland is far from the problem in our club at the moment and I for one am extremely glad we've got him for the immediate future.This.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 20:29:00 GMT
It won’t take you a second to list 3/4 quickly then will it? Cross v Bournemouth (a) -5 yards out, JB impersonates SpongeBob Square Pants. West Ham (a) straight forward catch, punches it out ball gets returned, Caroll scores. Burnley (h) cross is 4 yards out, JB stay at home Spurs (h) Erickson free kick from the touch line-JB hopping about like a demented hobbit instead of taking the ball 5 yards out-if he had shown the same desire to attack the ball as Kane, nothing would have happened. For a goalkeeper with his build, his command of his 6 yard box is non existent- we need him to recapture his first full season form quickly, as confidence starts from the back(a quote about Gordon Banks), and at the moment JB is not generating any confidence ? West Ham away we had another 15 seconds to get back in position and defend. Burnley maybe but it was an excellent cross. Erickson I’ll have to take your word for it I genuinely can’t picture the goal.....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 20:30:09 GMT
None stick out as particularly horrendous. He had an average season in a shit team, to go above and beyond that is sensationalist. Surprised you haven’t mentioned he’s “a bit of a twat” as well..... The West Ham and Spurs ones were shocking for a goalie of his standard. Is this West Ham away when we had another 15 seconds to regroup and defend the situation? Bloody hell if that was one of his massive mistakes he coukdnt have done too badly.....
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 7, 2018 20:30:59 GMT
The West Ham and Spurs ones were shocking for a goalie of his standard. Is this West Ham away when we had another 15 seconds to regroup and defend the situation? Bloody hell if that was one of his massive mistakes he coukdnt have done too badly..... It was an easy catch. You don’t need to regroup at all then.
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 7, 2018 20:32:57 GMT
That was in the past mate.. We're talking now. You've seen how quickly Joe Hart' s career has disintegrated.. It happens with keepers Green Carson etc I agree he's playing nowhere near as well as he was when he was number 2 to Hart. But you brought that up not me. He is going through a rough time which is why we need to get behind him and give him our support. If we'd sold him for £20m £30m or £40m do you think that would have been re-invested in players with our owners form? We'd never have replaced him like for like. And if as you say keepers can go down the pan rapidly who's to say Kieran Westwood wouldn't look like a rabbit in the headlights behind the colander that is our defence and midfield. Jack Butland is far from the problem in our club at the moment and I for one am extremely glad we've got him for the immediate future. No worries. He certainly isn't top of the problems at the Club I'll give you that. But personally ... if a decent offer had come in I would have let him go. The thread title says a lot really doesn't it?
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Post by lordb on Aug 7, 2018 20:36:33 GMT
No I hear you say, but 1. He is on his way to the WC, so whether he is here or at a Prem club. is irrelevant. 2. Who would he go to that will ensure his first team place? Not a top six club, and any other club could potentially be in a relegation battle. Does he want to risk being an understudy or being in another season of relegation battle, there is very little space in between? 3. He clearly loves the club, and would like to make amends for last season's failure. The club saw him through his injuries. He has been settled, does he need to uproot himself and family? 4. His form is still a bit dodgy after his long lay off. He needs to step back after the WC and get back to his very best. 5. Being in a Championship side would damage his international career, but hopefully we are talking about 1 year. After the WC it's 2 years till the next tournament. I guess the chances are zilch, but if Allen can be persuaded to say maybe we could persuade Jack. You might be right.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 7, 2018 20:39:42 GMT
I agree he's playing nowhere near as well as he was when he was number 2 to Hart. But you brought that up not me. He is going through a rough time which is why we need to get behind him and give him our support. If we'd sold him for £20m £30m or £40m do you think that would have been re-invested in players with our owners form? We'd never have replaced him like for like. And if as you say keepers can go down the pan rapidly who's to say Kieran Westwood wouldn't look like a rabbit in the headlights behind the colander that is our defence and midfield. Jack Butland is far from the problem in our club at the moment and I for one am extremely glad we've got him for the immediate future. No worries. He certainly isn't top of the problems at the Club I'll give you that. But personally ... if a decent offer had come in I would have let him go. The thread title says a lot really doesn't it? Fair enough
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 7, 2018 20:41:06 GMT
No I hear you say, but 1. He is on his way to the WC, so whether he is here or at a Prem club. is irrelevant. 2. Who would he go to that will ensure his first team place? Not a top six club, and any other club could potentially be in a relegation battle. Does he want to risk being an understudy or being in another season of relegation battle, there is very little space in between? 3. He clearly loves the club, and would like to make amends for last season's failure. The club saw him through his injuries. He has been settled, does he need to uproot himself and family? 4. His form is still a bit dodgy after his long lay off. He needs to step back after the WC and get back to his very best. 5. Being in a Championship side would damage his international career, but hopefully we are talking about 1 year. After the WC it's 2 years till the next tournament. I guess the chances are zilch, but if Allen can be persuaded to say maybe we could persuade Jack. You might be right. Mrnostradamuscoke
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Post by thehoof on Aug 7, 2018 20:41:22 GMT
Cross v Bournemouth (a) -5 yards out, JB impersonates SpongeBob Square Pants. West Ham (a) straight forward catch, punches it out ball gets returned, Caroll scores. Burnley (h) cross is 4 yards out, JB stay at home Spurs (h) Erickson free kick from the touch line-JB hopping about like a demented hobbit instead of taking the ball 5 yards out-if he had shown the same desire to attack the ball as Kane, nothing would have happened. For a goalkeeper with his build, his command of his 6 yard box is non existent- we need him to recapture his first full season form quickly, as confidence starts from the back(a quote about Gordon Banks), and at the moment JB is not generating any confidence ? West Ham away we had another 15 seconds to get back in position and defend. Burnley maybe but it was an excellent cross. Erickson I’ll have to take your word for it I genuinely can’t picture the goal..... I’m sure we would cut Haugaard the same amount of slack if he had conceded any of those goals. The cross against Burnley was in the air a long time, the Spurs goal is the one that was awarded to Kane for touching his shirt. I don’t want us to get rid of Butland but to make out that he is in some way blameless ( and he is clearly not the only one) for the position we find ourselves in is not correct. Those errors cost points in the same way as Adam’s penalty miss and Diouf’s profligacy in front of goal. As bad as Stoke were at Leeds, going in at 1-0 would have given us some chance- it was a dreadful effort at a save at exactly the wrong time dropping us further in it. JB needs to get back to something like top form very soon, because at the moment I worry every time the ball is in the air in our 6 yard box, or there is a shot that requires a dive to save.
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Post by sportsman on Aug 7, 2018 20:45:06 GMT
None stick out as particularly horrendous. He had an average season in a shit team, to go above and beyond that is sensationalist. Surprised you haven’t mentioned he’s “a bit of a twat” as well..... The West Ham and Spurs ones were shocking for a goalie of his standard. A list could probably be made up for pickford last season. He then has a shaky start to the world cup, it then gets more shaky, he then saves a penalty and take off, his confidence soares, and he could then save it without even looking. Oh he's then doubled in value to over 65m.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 7, 2018 20:46:28 GMT
The West Ham and Spurs ones were shocking for a goalie of his standard. A list could probably be made up for pickford last season. He then has a shaky start to the world cup, it then gets more shaky, he then saves a penalty and take off, his confidence soares, and he could then save it without even looking. Oh he's then doubled in value to over 65m. I don’t rate him either.
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Post by sportsman on Aug 7, 2018 20:50:54 GMT
A list could probably be made up for pickford last season. He then has a shaky start to the world cup, it then gets more shaky, he then saves a penalty and take off, his confidence soares, and he could then save it without even looking. Oh he's then doubled in value to over 65m. I don’t rate him either. I don't either, yet apparently he's worth about 35m more!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 20:51:56 GMT
West Ham away we had another 15 seconds to get back in position and defend. Burnley maybe but it was an excellent cross. Erickson I’ll have to take your word for it I genuinely can’t picture the goal..... I’m sure we would cut Haugaard the same amount of slack if he had conceded any of those goals. The cross against Burnley was in the air a long time, the Spurs goal is the one that was awarded to Kane for touching his shirt. I don’t want us to get rid of Butland but to make out that he is in some way blameless ( and he is clearly not the only one) for the position we find ourselves in is not correct. Those errors cost points in the same way as Adam’s penalty miss and Diouf’s profligacy in front of goal. As bad as Stoke were at Leeds, going in at 1-0 would have given us some chance- it was a dreadful effort at a save at exactly the wrong time dropping us further in it. JB needs to get back to something like top form very soon, because at the moment I worry every time the ball is in the air in our 6 yard box, or there is a shot that requires a dive to save. Not blameless, just not shot or woeful. He was average by his standards, yet still made the most saves of any Premier League keeper......
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 20:53:05 GMT
Is this West Ham away when we had another 15 seconds to regroup and defend the situation? Bloody hell if that was one of his massive mistakes he coukdnt have done too badly..... It was an easy catch. You don’t need to regroup at all then. One of the midfielders have the ball away 2 mins before. Don’t do that and Butland doesn’t need to come out for anything.....
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 7, 2018 21:00:25 GMT
The West Ham and Spurs ones were shocking for a goalie of his standard. A list could probably be made up for pickford last season. He then has a shaky start to the world cup, it then gets more shaky, he then saves a penalty and take off, his confidence soares, and he could then save it without even looking. Oh he's then doubled in value to over 65m. Pickford was Everton’s player of the season.
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Post by sportsman on Aug 7, 2018 21:02:27 GMT
A list could probably be made up for pickford last season. He then has a shaky start to the world cup, it then gets more shaky, he then saves a penalty and take off, his confidence soares, and he could then save it without even looking. Oh he's then doubled in value to over 65m. Pickford was Everton’s player of the season. Are you saying he wasn't at fault for any goals?
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Aug 7, 2018 21:46:32 GMT
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 7, 2018 22:09:57 GMT
Pickford was Everton’s player of the season. Are you saying he wasn't at fault for any goals? No. I’m saying he had a better season than Jack.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 7, 2018 22:14:38 GMT
It was an easy catch. You don’t need to regroup at all then. One of the midfielders have the ball away 2 mins before. Don’t do that and Butland doesn’t need to come out for anything..... In fairness it was poor decision making, he should have caught it
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Post by sportsman on Aug 7, 2018 22:24:27 GMT
Are you saying he wasn't at fault for any goals? No. I’m saying he had a better season than Jack. 35m pounds better?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 7, 2018 22:28:26 GMT
No. I’m saying he had a better season than Jack. 35m pounds better? Until he actually goes for a fee what the papers ‘rate’ him as being worth is irrelevant isn’t it? Either way, it doesn’t seem entirely surprising that a goalkeeper who was his club’s player of the year and then had an impressive World Cup should be rated more highly than a bloke who had a dodgy season in a team that went down and announced himself to the Championship by chucking another one in his own net. More damning than what Pickford is or isn’t rated at is the fact that keepers like Fabianski were seen as better options by Prem sides looking for a keeper.
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Post by sportsman on Aug 7, 2018 22:37:49 GMT
Until he actually goes for a fee what the papers ‘rate’ him as being worth is irrelevant isn’t it? Either way, it doesn’t seem entirely surprising that a goalkeeper who was his club’s player of the year and then had an impressive World Cup should be rated more highly than a bloke who had a dodgy season in a team that went down and announced himself to the Championship by chucking another one in his own net. More damning than what Pickford is or isn’t rated at is the fact that keepers like Fabianski were seen as better options by Prem sides looking for a keeper. But, being Everton's player of the year last season was more a piss take on the rest of them. I don't recall game after game of publicity in the media of pickford being outstanding, like that season Jack had for us for example. I just remember bits of, pickford should have saved that etc. Then like i said it was 60/40 pickford leading up to the world cup ahead of Jack. Then pickford was getting laughed at by pundits up to the end of the Belgium game. Then he saves a penalty, and confidence soares. Hopefully Jack has a blinder saturday and he gets back to his best. I think quite a few could do with a confidence boost.
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 7, 2018 22:51:13 GMT
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Post by knotty1 on Aug 8, 2018 1:05:46 GMT
i have always thougt he thinks he is better than he is
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Post by knotty1 on Aug 8, 2018 1:08:10 GMT
i have always thougt he thinks he is better than he is how he got beaten by that shot god only knows .TAKE THE MONEY
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 8, 2018 2:34:57 GMT
i have always thougt he thinks he is better than he is how he got beaten by that shot god only knows .TAKE THE MONEY There is no money.
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Post by wilcopotter on Aug 8, 2018 5:33:18 GMT
He may have no choice but to stay now. If so, he needs to get his form right if he gets that big move he covets in January. After last season, a World Cup disappointment and the Leeds second goat; it’s not surprising there is no clamour to sign him. I wouldn’t be surprised if he didn’t go to Southampton and we end up with Forster and some cash.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 8, 2018 6:42:42 GMT
Until he actually goes for a fee what the papers ‘rate’ him as being worth is irrelevant isn’t it? Either way, it doesn’t seem entirely surprising that a goalkeeper who was his club’s player of the year and then had an impressive World Cup should be rated more highly than a bloke who had a dodgy season in a team that went down and announced himself to the Championship by chucking another one in his own net. More damning than what Pickford is or isn’t rated at is the fact that keepers like Fabianski were seen as better options by Prem sides looking for a keeper. But, being Everton's player of the year last season was more a piss take on the rest of them. I don't recall game after game of publicity in the media of pickford being outstanding, like that season Jack had for us for example. I just remember bits of, pickford should have saved that etc. Then like i said it was 60/40 pickford leading up to the world cup ahead of Jack. Then pickford was getting laughed at by pundits up to the end of the Belgium game. Then he saves a penalty, and confidence soares. Hopefully Jack has a blinder saturday and he gets back to his best. I think quite a few could do with a confidence boost. It wasn't a piss take. He had an excellent season. Everton fans love him. Pickford wasn't 'getting laughed at by pundits' at all.
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