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Post by lordb on Aug 7, 2018 19:32:14 GMT
He dropped a bollock on Sunday and 3/4 of his kicks were poor. No arguments from me there. Name me all these howlers last season then that people are talking about? (I’ll give you Leicester away) He made more saves than any other Premier League keeper, and looked assured for England pre-World Cup. He may have a hangover from not being first choice during the summer who knows, but if he stays I’ll be more than happy he’s a top goalkeeper..... He was average at best last season. His kicking and distribution is woeful. Gareth Southgate obviously agrees. Up to a point,he still put him in his squad.
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Post by thehoof on Aug 7, 2018 19:32:39 GMT
Butland. Is a class keeper, can’t believe some of you retards are slagging him off..!!!! He’s saved us so many times from a good hiding it’s incredible...!!!!! He was woeful last season. And that second on Sunday carries that on. He’s had one good season for us. He’s got a lot to prove. He needs to get his head screwed on, stop making the fuck ups and play well. Bayern has got it spot on. Butland was exceptional in his first season, poor last year costing Stoke several points which is why a totally impartial judge like Southgate didn’t see him as England’s number 1. At the moment he looks anything but class - perhaps he is one game from finding the form he is capable of, but to refer to him as “class” at this particular moment in time would indicate that somebody has certainly not watched him recently ( or watches through JB coloured glasses).
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 7, 2018 19:32:52 GMT
He was woeful last season. And that second on Sunday carries that on. He’s had one good season for us. He’s got a lot to prove. He needs to get his head screwed on, stop making the fuck ups and play well. I think you are overplaying this view. He wasn't woeful at all. Errors crept in and agree that's carried in, he's got to sort his head out. Cut down on the errors (all keepers make mistakes but it's too many currently) and work on his kicking. Every other club in our league would love to have him. Not many make the number he did in a season and keep the shirt. If Grant was still he’d be starting on Saturday for me.
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Post by sportsman on Aug 7, 2018 19:35:11 GMT
I think you are overplaying this view. He wasn't woeful at all. Errors crept in and agree that's carried in, he's got to sort his head out. Cut down on the errors (all keepers make mistakes but it's too many currently) and work on his kicking. Every other club in our league would love to have him. Not many make the number he did in a season and keep the shirt. If Grant was still he’d be starting on Saturday for me. I bet what's happened over the summer, from the world cup, to not getting a big move, focuses his mind this season to get back to what he does best.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 7, 2018 19:40:21 GMT
Not many make the number he did in a season and keep the shirt. If Grant was still he’d be starting on Saturday for me. I bet what's happened over the summer, from the world cup, to not getting a big move, focuses his mind this season to get back to what he does best. It needs to or he’s proper fucked it hasn’t he?
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Post by darksideofthemoon on Aug 7, 2018 19:40:23 GMT
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 7, 2018 19:41:48 GMT
Shame getting 30m could have made a big difference. He's been poor lately 30m would have been excellent money. To do what with? Do you really think we'd have spent it on players?
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 7, 2018 19:44:28 GMT
He dropped a bollock on Sunday and 3/4 of his kicks were poor. No arguments from me there. Name me all these howlers last season then that people are talking about? (I’ll give you Leicester away) He made more saves than any other Premier League keeper, and looked assured for England pre-World Cup. He may have a hangover from not being first choice during the summer who knows, but if he stays I’ll be more than happy he’s a top goalkeeper..... He was average at best last season. His kicking and distribution is woeful. Gareth Southgate obviously agrees. Obviously. That's why he picked him as England's number two for the World Cup Finals. He must really think he's wank.
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Post by thehoof on Aug 7, 2018 19:46:37 GMT
He was average at best last season. His kicking and distribution is woeful. Gareth Southgate obviously agrees. Obviously. That's why he picked him as England's number two for the World Cup Finals. He must really think he's wank. But didn’t give him 30 seconds, even in the games with nothing to play for?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 19:48:42 GMT
He dropped a bollock on Sunday and 3/4 of his kicks were poor. No arguments from me there. Name me all these howlers last season then that people are talking about? (I’ll give you Leicester away) He made more saves than any other Premier League keeper, and looked assured for England pre-World Cup. He may have a hangover from not being first choice during the summer who knows, but if he stays I’ll be more than happy he’s a top goalkeeper..... He was average at best last season. His kicking and distribution is woeful. Gareth Southgate obviously agrees. Southgate thinks he’s average and his kicking his woeful because he’s the number two goalkeeper in England not the number one. Sorry but that’s bollocks, he though Pickford was slightly better, no more no less.....
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 7, 2018 19:48:47 GMT
Obviously. That's why he picked him as England's number two for the World Cup Finals. He must really think he's wank. But didn’t give him 30 seconds, even in the games with nothing to play for? Probably says more about Southgate than Butland in all fairness.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 19:49:55 GMT
I think you are overplaying this view. He wasn't woeful at all. Errors crept in and agree that's carried in, he's got to sort his head out. Cut down on the errors (all keepers make mistakes but it's too many currently) and work on his kicking. Every other club in our league would love to have him. Not many make the number he did in a season and keep the shirt. If Grant was still he’d be starting on Saturday for me. Still waiting for someone to name all these massive errors (Leicester aside) from last season?
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 7, 2018 19:49:55 GMT
He was average at best last season. His kicking and distribution is woeful. Gareth Southgate obviously agrees. Obviously. That's why he picked him as England's number two for the World Cup Finals. He must really think he's wank. Not the point .... And you know it. Butland went from No2 to Hart to No2 to Pickford in the blink of an eye. His injury obviously affected him and his confidence in my opinion. He's a shadow of the keeper he was two years ago. He needs to get his act together sharpish else he will be Stoke's No2 soon.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 7, 2018 19:54:09 GMT
Not many make the number he did in a season and keep the shirt. If Grant was still he’d be starting on Saturday for me. Still waiting for someone to name all these massive errors (Leicester aside) from last season? Done it plenty of times.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 19:54:25 GMT
Obviously. That's why he picked him as England's number two for the World Cup Finals. He must really think he's wank. Not the point .... And you know it. Butland went from No2 to Hart to No2 to Pickford in the blink of an eye. His injury obviously affected him and his confidence in my opinion. He's a shadow of the keeper he was two years ago. He needs to get his act together sharpish else he will be Stoke's No2 soon. What’s with all the sensationalist nonsense, “he dropped him in the blink of an eye”. He gave them both time in the friendlies, and went with Pickford. Shit happens. I suppose Rashford is woeful because he couldn’t get in the starting XI as well?
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 7, 2018 19:54:26 GMT
Obviously. That's why he picked him as England's number two for the World Cup Finals. He must really think he's wank. But didn’t give him 30 seconds, even in the games with nothing to play for? He didn't play Pope either and I'd argue he was in the best form of the 3 of them. So I don't read too much into that. He'd made his choice for number 1 and stuck with him. That's all.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 19:55:01 GMT
Still waiting for someone to name all these massive errors (Leicester aside) from last season? Done it plenty of times. It won’t take you a second to list 3/4 quickly then will it?
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Post by thicknthin on Aug 7, 2018 19:55:10 GMT
But didn’t give him 30 seconds, even in the games with nothing to play for? Probably says more about Southgate than Butland in all fairness. Means nothing does it how many minutes did Pope get? Going in to it he was the form keeper. Pickford was no better than Jack yet a few good games in the World Cup and he's some sort of god?? Jack never looked his assured best last year, but some of the descriptions on here are way over stating it. Butland is a good young keeper with bags of potential.
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 7, 2018 19:57:40 GMT
Not the point .... And you know it. Butland went from No2 to Hart to No2 to Pickford in the blink of an eye. His injury obviously affected him and his confidence in my opinion. He's a shadow of the keeper he was two years ago. He needs to get his act together sharpish else he will be Stoke's No2 soon. What’s with all the sensationalist nonsense, “he dropped him in the blink of an eye”. He gave them both time in the friendlies, and went with Pickford. Shit happens. I suppose Rashford is woeful because he couldn’t get in the starting XI as well? He was no2 to Hart.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 7, 2018 19:58:25 GMT
Probably says more about Southgate than Butland in all fairness. Means nothing does it how many minutes did Pope get? Going in to it he was the form keeper. Pickford was no better than Jack yet a few good games in the World Cup and he's some sort of god?? Jack never looked his assured best last year, but some of the descriptions on here are way over stating it. Butland is a good young keeper with bags of potential. WHOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 7, 2018 20:01:28 GMT
Obviously. That's why he picked him as England's number two for the World Cup Finals. He must really think he's wank. Not the point .... And you know it. Butland went from No2 to Hart to No2 to Pickford in the blink of an eye. His injury obviously affected him and his confidence in my opinion. He's a shadow of the keeper he was two years ago. He needs to get his act together sharpish else he will be Stoke's No2 soon. That's just nonsense mate. Prestwich has answered your first point more than adequately. But 'shadow of the keeper he was'? What rot. I'm not suggesting that by his previous standards he wasn't at the top of his game last season but 'shadow'. Get a grip. And who's going to replace him Jakob?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 7, 2018 20:03:31 GMT
It won’t take you a second to list 3/4 quickly then will it? Burnley Spurs West Ham Dracula.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 7, 2018 20:03:59 GMT
What’s with all the sensationalist nonsense, “he dropped him in the blink of an eye”. He gave them both time in the friendlies, and went with Pickford. Shit happens. I suppose Rashford is woeful because he couldn’t get in the starting XI as well? He was no2 to Hart. And should have been no1.
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 7, 2018 20:06:30 GMT
Probably says more about Southgate than Butland in all fairness. Means nothing does it how many minutes did Pope get? Going in to it he was the form keeper. Pickford was no better than Jack yet a few good games in the World Cup and he's some sort of god?? Jack never looked his assured best last year, but some of the descriptions on here are way over stating it. Butland is a good young keeper with bags of potential. Agree. But still think his demeanour and confidence are shot. That's what Southgate saw. What's so difficult to understand.? I still maintain we would be better of with 20m and another good keeper. Especially if it means a new signing or not.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 7, 2018 20:08:57 GMT
I think Pickford was quite a bit better than Jack last season even before the World Cup.
I think we’d have cashed in if we could but it was telling that even the middling clubs saw better value elsewhere when they looked for a keeper.
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Post by camstoke10 on Aug 7, 2018 20:09:04 GMT
I think you are overplaying this view. He wasn't woeful at all. Errors crept in and agree that's carried in, he's got to sort his head out. Cut down on the errors (all keepers make mistakes but it's too many currently) and work on his kicking. Every other club in our league would love to have him. Not many make the number he did in a season and keep the shirt. If Grant was still he’d be starting on Saturday for me. Well grant still isn’t here, that’s like saying if shaq was here he would be playing, if Arnie was here he would be playing and if nzonzi was here he would be playing, it’s pointless he is not here so get over it
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 7, 2018 20:09:25 GMT
And should have been no1. That was in the past mate.. We're talking now. You've seen how quickly Joe Hart' s career has disintegrated.. It happens with keepers Green Carson etc
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 7, 2018 20:11:39 GMT
Not many make the number he did in a season and keep the shirt. If Grant was still he’d be starting on Saturday for me. Well grant still isn’t here, that’s like saying if shaq was here he would be playing, if Arnie was here he would be playing and if nzonzi was here he would be playing, it’s pointless he is not here so get over it It’s not. Grant is an average Championship goalie. The three players you have named are class. It’s an insult to want Grant over a keeper of Butland’s supposed stature but that’s how bad he’s playing these last 12 months.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 7, 2018 20:19:16 GMT
And should have been no1. That was in the past mate.. We're talking now. You've seen how quickly Joe Hart' s career has disintegrated.. It happens with keepers Green Carson etc I agree he's playing nowhere near as well as he was when he was number 2 to Hart. But you brought that up not me. He is going through a rough time which is why we need to get behind him and give him our support. If we'd sold him for £20m £30m or £40m do you think that would have been re-invested in players with our owners form? We'd never have replaced him like for like. And if as you say keepers can go down the pan rapidly who's to say Kieran Westwood wouldn't look like a rabbit in the headlights behind the colander that is our defence and midfield. Jack Butland is far from the problem in our club at the moment and I for one am extremely glad we've got him for the immediate future.
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Post by thehoof on Aug 7, 2018 20:26:13 GMT
It won’t take you a second to list 3/4 quickly then will it? Cross v Bournemouth (a) -5 yards out, JB impersonates SpongeBob Square Pants. West Ham (a) straight forward catch, punches it out ball gets returned, Caroll scores. Burnley (h) cross is 4 yards out, JB stays at home Spurs (h) Erickson free kick from the touch line-JB hopping about like a demented hobbit instead of taking the ball 5 yards out-if he had shown the same desire to attack the ball as Kane, nothing would have happened. For a goalkeeper with his build, his command of his 6 yard box is non existent- we need him to recapture his first full season form quickly, as confidence starts from the back(a quote about Gordon Banks), and at the moment JB is not generating any confidence ?
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