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Post by philb on May 21, 2018 11:28:15 GMT
Hell be off if Rowett is appointed. Was thinking that myself. Maybe if Moyes has wanted the job he may have stayed. You never know though.
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Post by borat on May 23, 2018 14:24:43 GMT
Why doesn't Rowett like Allen or something? And 25 million is ridiculous, he's worth half that.
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Post by spitthedog on May 23, 2018 14:27:22 GMT
Why doesn't Rowett like Allen or something? And 25 million is ridiculous, he's worth half that. Who in their right mind would pay £12.5 million for Joe Allen?
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Post by wagsastokie on May 23, 2018 14:32:47 GMT
Why doesn't Rowett like Allen or something? And 25 million is ridiculous, he's worth half that. Well there’s no evidence Rowett doesn’t like Allen But if he’s half the manager I hope he is he’ll take the 25 million and run Allen for all his endeavour and his run all game attitude creates the square root of sod all in creativity and you can slate are strikers all you like and most deserve it but when did we last create half a dozen decent chances in a game
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Post by robwahlmann on May 23, 2018 14:36:00 GMT
I really can't understand some of the negativity towards Allen, think he has been our most consistent performer this season. Really hope both he and Badou stay to take us back up again on the first attempt.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 23, 2018 14:38:28 GMT
Hell be off if Rowett is appointed. Was thinking that myself. Maybe if Moyes has wanted the job he may have stayed. You never know though. Erm, what? Why? He'll be off if he gets a better offer, no more, no less. Why would Rowett be a factor?
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on May 23, 2018 14:40:29 GMT
Why doesn't Rowett like Allen or something? And 25 million is ridiculous, he's worth half that. Well there’s no evidence Rowett doesn’t like Allen But if he’s half the manager I hope he is he’ll take the 25 million and run Allen for all his endeavour and his run all game attitude creates the square root of sod all in creativity and you can slate are strikers all you like and most deserve it but when did we last create half a dozen decent chances in a game Agreed, take the money. I just don't understand how some rate Allen so highly, he creates little, loses the ball often take the money and buy someone who fits rowetts thoughts on the championship " you need to be robust enough for 46 games" Joe Allen just is not the man to dictate the midfield well enough or often enough to lead a promotion season. He has not been good enough as a premier league midfielder he was outplayed by far to many opposition players. Running around aimlessly does not mean your a top midfielder.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on May 23, 2018 14:41:08 GMT
He's a quality player and if we accept less than what we got for arnie we are mugs
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Post by PotterLog on May 23, 2018 15:01:20 GMT
Well there’s no evidence Rowett doesn’t like Allen But if he’s half the manager I hope he is he’ll take the 25 million and run Allen for all his endeavour and his run all game attitude creates the square root of sod all in creativity and you can slate are strikers all you like and most deserve it but when did we last create half a dozen decent chances in a game Agreed, take the money. I just don't understand how some rate Allen so highly, he creates little, loses the ball often take the money and buy someone who fits rowetts thoughts on the championship " you need to be robust enough for 46 games" Joe Allen just is not the man to dictate the midfield well enough or often enough to lead a promotion season. He has not been good enough as a premier league midfielder he was outplayed by far to many opposition players. Running around aimlessly does not mean your a top midfielder. Generally speaking I agree he's been a bit overrated by Stokies but is he not exactly what's needed in the Champo? Fit as a butcher's dog, easily capable of handling the demanding schedule, reasonably versatile and will snap around the midfield all day long? He'd be fantastic in that division surely?
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Post by mrteddysalad on May 23, 2018 15:08:11 GMT
I love Joe and all, but he's not worth 25 mill. I take that in a heartbeat. He has great energy and always plays hard till the final whistle, but he consistently has a heavy first touch and isn't exactly the most skilled player.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 15:10:48 GMT
Allen's class I reckon, I remember everyone talking about how shit N'Zonzi was, place really hasn't got a clue what a good footballer looks like at times.
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Post by JoeinOz on May 23, 2018 15:10:54 GMT
Agreed, take the money. I just don't understand how some rate Allen so highly, he creates little, loses the ball often take the money and buy someone who fits rowetts thoughts on the championship " you need to be robust enough for 46 games" Joe Allen just is not the man to dictate the midfield well enough or often enough to lead a promotion season. He has not been good enough as a premier league midfielder he was outplayed by far to many opposition players. Running around aimlessly does not mean your a top midfielder. Generally speaking I agree he's been a bit overrated by Stokies but is he not exactly what's needed in the Champo? Fit as a butcher's dog, easily capable of handling the demanding schedule, reasonably versatile and will snap around the midfield all day long? He'd be fantastic in that division surely? He is an ideal holding midfielder. But he needs to hold his position. Sometimes the charging over every blade of grass thing is actually a form of indiscipline.
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Post by spitthedog on May 23, 2018 15:12:54 GMT
I really can't understand some of the negativity towards Allen, think he has been our most consistent performer this season. Really hope both he and Badou stay to take us back up again on the first attempt. For me he was consistently average, but we have struggled as a team ever since he has come into the team. So my negativity only emerges when I come across enthusiasm for him which I still cannot fathom. For me that is because he is neither an effective defensive midfielder i.e he gets easily knocked off the ball and commits too many fouls because he cant hang on to the ball. Neither is he an effective creative midfielder. We hardly ever saw him play a clever ball through to forwards, he's not very creative, his tendency is to move the ball backwards, his passing is only decent when he has to move the ball quickly. If he has time on the ball he ponders and is usually dispossessed while he's thinking what to do with it. I cant work out the enthusiasm for him. He's a kind of luxury player, he needs 2 other central midfielders around him to be of any purpose. I have not seen our midfield dominate a game for a very long time and you cant just blame the manager for that all of the time. Liverpool fans used to say he is a good player but nobody could see how he fitted into their team. I wanted to like him and he strikes as an honest and committed player but just cant see it. I will be amazed if he is successful at any Prem club but lets see!
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Post by chigstoke on May 23, 2018 15:17:17 GMT
I love Joe and all, but he's not worth 25 mill. I take that in a heartbeat. He has great energy and always plays hard till the final whistle, but he consistently has a heavy first touch and isn't exactly the most skilled player. If we did get £25 Million we'd be daft not to accept such an offer. Got to put that towards a striker and a winger combined with Butland and Shaqiri money. I like him for his determination and effort. He's not been a player who downs tools and stops giving a fuck, and I like that. And I'd like to think in the Championship he can be a midfielder who tries to dictate a game. But honestly we need improvements across the board more than just keeping him. I'll be supportive of either decision that is made though.
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Post by PotterLog on May 23, 2018 15:19:16 GMT
Generally speaking I agree he's been a bit overrated by Stokies but is he not exactly what's needed in the Champo? Fit as a butcher's dog, easily capable of handling the demanding schedule, reasonably versatile and will snap around the midfield all day long? He'd be fantastic in that division surely? He is an ideal holding midfielder. But he needs to hold his position. Sometimes the charging over every blade of grass thing is actually a form of indiscipline. I disagree that he's an ideal holding mid for that very reason. He's great as the engine in a 2 but only alongside someone more defensive.
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Post by mickstupp on May 23, 2018 15:21:56 GMT
Honestly, if anyone is prepared to offer £25m for Allen they should take it. It’s absurdly good money for a player who, despite all of his honest endeavour, doesn’t really do anything.
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 15:29:31 GMT
He’s a bit like a wasp. Annoying you don’t really want it to sting you but you know that it’s not going to do you too much damage.
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Post by werrington on May 23, 2018 15:32:04 GMT
Fuck me neither wonder the club undersell players when we’ve got people saying Allen is only worth £12m and Butland similar
Wtf is it with Stoke people
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Post by senojbor on May 23, 2018 15:36:16 GMT
He would be a great asset to us next season. I for one hope that he can be persuaded to stay.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 15:45:50 GMT
I love Joe and all, but he's not worth 25 mill. I take that in a heartbeat. He has great energy and always plays hard till the final whistle, but he consistently has a heavy first touch and isn't exactly the most skilled player. If we did get £25 Million we'd be daft not to accept such an offer. Got to put that towards a striker and a winger combined with Butland and Shaqiri money. I like him for his determination and effort. He's not been a player who downs tools and stops giving a fuck, and I like that. And I'd like to think in the Championship he can be a midfielder who tries to dictate a game. But honestly we need improvements across the board more than just keeping him. I'll be supportive of either decision that is made though. Why, we should have that money to spend regardless of whether we sell players or not. Our squad is dogshit and anyone advocating the sale of Allen or any of the few half decent players we have is fucking mental, simple as.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on May 23, 2018 15:46:53 GMT
He would be a great asset to us next season. I for one hope that he can be persuaded to stay. He won't be over chuffed if he's read some of the shit on here.
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Post by cheadlestokie on May 23, 2018 15:50:40 GMT
Generally speaking I agree he's been a bit overrated by Stokies but is he not exactly what's needed in the Champo? Fit as a butcher's dog, easily capable of handling the demanding schedule, reasonably versatile and will snap around the midfield all day long? He'd be fantastic in that division surely? He is an ideal holding midfielder. But he needs to hold his position. Sometimes the charging over every blade of grass thing is actually a form of indiscipline. Agree with you Joe but it has been a bit needs must with our squad lately when too many were not putting in the effort. And he played the last few games when not fully fit as opposed to some who cried off with a broken finger nail!
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 16:24:17 GMT
I've yet to see any of his fans explain what he does apart from run around a lot.
Yes not a bad player, he just doesn't suit any system.
You can't play him as a holding midfielder as he's not disciplined or intelligent enough.
You can't play him as an attacking midfielder ad he's not creative enough.
So the only thing you can do is just let him run around like a spaniel but this is at the detriment to the team because you then need to bring players in to cover for him, generally at the cost of other areas.
It's no coincidence that our downfall is in part due to his signing. We lost any shape and organisation in the middle of the park and didn't particularly gain anything.
Some Stoke fans see the bigger picture and realise why he should be gone. Other fans see running around and equate it to being a good player. Usually chuck words like DNA and passion around.
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Post by nonameface on May 23, 2018 16:33:39 GMT
Allen's class I reckon, I remember everyone talking about how shit N'Zonzi was, place really hasn't got a clue what a good footballer looks like at times. That's ridiculous, like trying to say a mouse is the same as a giraffe because they are both animals. N'Zonzi ooozes quality and can control a match, I've never seen Allen own midfield and control the match.
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Post by alster on May 23, 2018 16:38:12 GMT
Allen's class I reckon, I remember everyone talking about how shit N'Zonzi was, place really hasn't got a clue what a good footballer looks like at times. That's ridiculous, like trying to say a mouse is the same as a giraffe because they are both animals. N'Zonzi ooozes quality and can control a match, I've never seen Allen own midfield and control the match. There is not a single thing he’s even nearly as good at as Nzonzi.
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Post by The Red and White Baron on May 23, 2018 16:54:43 GMT
Were it not for Allen we would have been relegated last season. For a long time he was the only centre midfielder who was actually mobile.
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Post by crownmeking on May 23, 2018 17:02:26 GMT
I've yet to see any of his fans explain what he does apart from run around a lot. Yes not a bad player, he just doesn't suit any system. You can't play him as a holding midfielder as he's not disciplined or intelligent enough. You can't play him as an attacking midfielder ad he's not creative enough. So the only thing you can do is just let him run around like a spaniel but this is at the detriment to the team because you then need to bring players in to cover for him, generally at the cost of other areas. It's no coincidence that our downfall is in part due to his signing. We lost any shape and organisation in the middle of the park and didn't particularly gain anything. Some Stoke fans see the bigger picture and realise why he should be gone. Other fans see running around and equate it to being a good player. Usually chuck words like DNA and passion around. Yeah, he doesn't do anything, apart from, you know, score 8 goals for Stoke City. Idiotic post.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 17:07:32 GMT
He would be a great asset to us next season. I for one hope that he can be persuaded to stay. He won't be over chuffed if he's read some of the shit on here. If he's a sensible lad, he'll take into account the fact that the average IQ on here is around 30* 👍 *That's allowing for the 'Clever Twats Clique' bringing up the average.
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Post by roylandstoke on May 23, 2018 17:18:19 GMT
We should try very hard to keep Joe Allen, even if we do get £20M offers; he is one of the 6-7 players who will be an asset next season.
If we can get £25M for Wimmer, Imbula and Berahino combined, that would be a very different matter.
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 23, 2018 17:22:44 GMT
Hell be off if Rowett is appointed. You know fuck all.
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