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Post by StatesideStokie on May 13, 2018 20:17:30 GMT
I did say afterwards that nzonzi is our best. You didnt read the whole thread. I apologise for this Allen isn’t the reason for our demise. Hughes is for spunking shed loads of money on Wimmer, Imbula, etc Allen Is a player who made into the team of Euro 2016. I don’t know how you get into this without showing the attributes you mention May as well fuck him off like we have done with our top players in the past Ah yes - the Welsh Pirlo myth. He's not even the Welsh Dean Whitehead.
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Post by Uncle cheese on May 13, 2018 20:19:41 GMT
Allen Is a player who made into the team of Euro 2016. I don’t know how you get into this without showing the attributes you mention May as well fuck him off like we have done with our top players in the past Ah yes - the Welsh Pirlo myth. He's not even the Welsh Dean Whitehead. It’s not a myth if you get in a team of the tournament. It’s fact
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Post by StatesideStokie on May 13, 2018 20:22:34 GMT
Aren't wolves a passing team? If so, why on earth would they want to pay 25m for a bloke who couldn't pass wind? Granted it's not his main strength, but that's nonsense. I could make similar video of all the times he's given the ball away over the last two year, but it would have to be a six-part fucking series.
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Post by Uncle cheese on May 13, 2018 20:24:39 GMT
I did say afterwards that nzonzi is our best. You didnt read the whole thread. I apologise for this Allen isn’t the reason for our demise. Hughes is for spunking shed loads of money on Wimmer, Imbula, etc Allen isn't the sole reason, but he's certainly played his part. Our midfield has been utter fucking garbage with Allen in it. There are also plenty of midfielders along with N'Zonzi, who have been far better than Allen during our 10 years in the Premier League. The likes of Whelan, Delap and Adam have all been better than Allen. He's had no impact whatsover. Our midfield was shit with Whelan in last season. Adam’s best goal return probably mirrors Allen’s? Not sure on that but can’t be far off. Our midfield has been fairly poor in the prem but he iis surely a player we should be looking to keep hold of him we want to go up
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Post by RAF on May 13, 2018 20:25:49 GMT
Done deal with Wolves apparently. Got this from a Swansea mate who knows the family. Never given me anything before and has no reason to lie. H Did your mate say how much? I would be furious if it is less than 25 million No mate, just that it was a done deal. H
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Post by StatesideStokie on May 13, 2018 20:28:10 GMT
Allen isn't the sole reason, but he's certainly played his part. Our midfield has been utter fucking garbage with Allen in it. There are also plenty of midfielders along with N'Zonzi, who have been far better than Allen during our 10 years in the Premier League. The likes of Whelan, Delap and Adam have all been better than Allen. He's had no impact whatsover. Our midfield was shit with Whelan in last season. Adam’s best goal return probably mirrors Allen’s? Not sure on that but can’t be far off. Our midfield has been fairly poor in the prem but he iis surely a player we should be looking to keep hold of him we want to go up We can agree to disagree, mate. Different opinions and all that. I'm just not a fan of Allen. I'm not going to judge Whelan on one season when he was past his prime. He's probably been the best value signing since promotion, pound for pound, and Allen isn't fit to lace his boots. And if you look at Adam in his prime, there's not even a contest over which one of him or Allen you would want in your midfield. And I'm not a massive fan of Adam, either.
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Post by Uncle cheese on May 13, 2018 20:33:52 GMT
Our midfield was shit with Whelan in last season. Adam’s best goal return probably mirrors Allen’s? Not sure on that but can’t be far off. Our midfield has been fairly poor in the prem but he iis surely a player we should be looking to keep hold of him we want to go up We can agree to disagree, mate. Different opinions and all that. I'm just not a fan of Allen. I'm not going to judge Whelan on one season when he was past his prime. He's probably been the best value signing since promotion, pound for pound, and Allen isn't fit to lace his boots. And if you look at Adam in his prime, there's not even a contest over which one of him or Allen you would want in your midfield. And I'm not a massive fan of Adam, either. I got you weren’t a fan of Allen😉 For the record I think £25 million’s a good price but if we are to go back up he is the type of player we should keep My biggest worry is we won’t invest that back into the team
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Post by StatesideStokie on May 13, 2018 20:35:49 GMT
We can agree to disagree, mate. Different opinions and all that. I'm just not a fan of Allen. I'm not going to judge Whelan on one season when he was past his prime. He's probably been the best value signing since promotion, pound for pound, and Allen isn't fit to lace his boots. And if you look at Adam in his prime, there's not even a contest over which one of him or Allen you would want in your midfield. And I'm not a massive fan of Adam, either. I got you weren’t a fan of Allen😉 For the record I think £25 million’s a good price but if we are to go back up he is the type of player we should keep My biggest worry is we won’t invest that back into the team I’m with you on the investment part. Now we just need a manager who when backed with sufficient finances, knows which players to buy.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2018 20:36:41 GMT
Granted it's not his main strength, but that's nonsense. I could make similar video of all the times he's given the ball away over the last two year, but it would have to be a six-part fucking series. Haha yeah, well i'm not saying the bloke's perfect - I've seen it myself, but not being able to pass wind is grossly unfair. I attached that video to show he CAN do it.
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 13, 2018 21:04:59 GMT
I could make similar video of all the times he's given the ball away over the last two year, but it would have to be a six-part fucking series. Haha yeah, well i'm not saying the bloke's perfect - I've seen it myself, but not being able to pass wind is grossly unfair. I attached that video to show he CAN do it. How many of those killer passes were made whilst wearing a stoke shirt?
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Post by Uncle cheese on May 13, 2018 21:11:07 GMT
Haha yeah, well i'm not saying the bloke's perfect - I've seen it myself, but not being able to pass wind is grossly unfair. I attached that video to show he CAN do it. How many of those killer passes were made whilst wearing a stoke shirt? A quick search tells me 6 assists this season. Not great but bear in mind I should imagine some of his killer passes were to Diouf
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 13, 2018 21:12:15 GMT
How many of those killer passes were made whilst wearing a stoke shirt? A quick search tells me 6 assists this season. Not great but bear in mind I should imagine some of his killer passes were to Diouf Legend
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 13, 2018 21:14:54 GMT
What has he actually said that is wrong there? He’s looking for people to bite So I told him to fuck off! In all seriousness £25 million is a good price but he’s our best midfielder we’ve had in the prem(not much competition I know!) . If we’re to go up we need to keep up Badou and Delap are better. Fonz is way better.
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Post by Uncle cheese on May 13, 2018 21:16:17 GMT
A quick search tells me 6 assists this season. Not great but bear in mind I should imagine some of his killer passes were to Diouf Legend I wouldn’t go that far😉
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2018 21:52:07 GMT
Haha yeah, well i'm not saying the bloke's perfect - I've seen it myself, but not being able to pass wind is grossly unfair. I attached that video to show he CAN do it. How many of those killer passes were made whilst wearing a stoke shirt? Havent really been counting, but he did it at swansea and liverpool, he'd probably look a better player in the wolves squad with people actually creating runs unlike this season. I can see why they'd pay at least £25M for him. Not necessarily just for his passing (If you're a passing squad, you need a destroyer too shirley??) but because hes pretty good, if not perfect at a lot of things.
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 13, 2018 22:06:24 GMT
He's no where near Thinking about it Nzonzi is our best to be fair but after that I think he is Please name yours After N'Zonzi, I think Delap is under rated by quite a few on here.
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Post by Boothen on May 13, 2018 22:10:53 GMT
Bear pit are reporting. Probably good news if true. Sorry if already posted Didn't West ham and Swansea offer 30 million. All this does is invites other clubs to go higher. Club should of not put a price on him and said the only way he would be allowed to leave is if top 6 come in. Why the fuck do our club insist on publicising figures. Because the club is run by a bunch of fucking clueless idiots. They're like the Del Boy of football management.
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Post by thegift on May 13, 2018 22:25:26 GMT
Didn't West ham and Swansea offer 30 million. All this does is invites other clubs to go higher. Club should of not put a price on him and said the only way he would be allowed to leave is if top 6 come in. Why the fuck do our club insist on publicising figures. Because the club is run by a bunch of fucking clueless idiots. They're like the Del Boy of football management. I think del boy would be offended at that
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Post by foster on May 14, 2018 8:15:42 GMT
Did your mate say how much? I would be furious if it is less than 25 million No mate, just that it was a done deal. H No idea what will happen but I just don't see us getting more than 15m for him. I can't see any top 6 side being interested either.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 14, 2018 8:42:33 GMT
Did your mate say how much? I would be furious if it is less than 25 million No mate, just that it was a done deal. H Be interesting to see how the core bbreconcile that with a top 6 only club statement , they really making some statements that could come back to haunt them 1 huge turnaround 2 investment commitment 3 Allen 25 m top 6 4 lambert staying all in a week youd think what’s all the fuss and Jesse is ambition might have suggested walk not talk is the order of the day .unlss of course they all happen but 1 & 4 already seem at odds with Cartwright and Scholes staying too .
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Post by Squeekster on May 14, 2018 9:38:05 GMT
This should be the stance for all our players who are under contract!
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on May 14, 2018 10:15:56 GMT
How will the money raised be spent is the real question?
Anything upwards of £18m for Allen is a good deal, will you put it back into the club Peter?
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Post by Absolution on May 14, 2018 10:22:35 GMT
Didn't West ham and Swansea offer 30 million. All this does is invites other clubs to go higher. Club should of not put a price on him and said the only way he would be allowed to leave is if top 6 come in. Why the fuck do our club insist on publicising figures. Because the club is run by a bunch of fucking clueless idiots. They're like the Del Boy of football management. I disagree on this. We don't normally put a price on players and we've suffered for it. I can't remember us putting a price on N'Zonzi which just encourages teams to put cheeky low bids in which leaves us open to the player kicking off if the bid is refused. Southampton always put a price out there. It's always something ridiculous and they pretty much always get it. Put a price out there and if someone seriously wants the player, let that team know we're not going to be ripped off.
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Post by Rick Grimes on May 14, 2018 11:55:23 GMT
Can't see him staying he's too good to play in the Championship.
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Post by future100 on May 14, 2018 14:51:08 GMT
Heard today from a source close to the club that Allen wants to stay as he really likes it here, oh well we'll just have to see.....
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Post by sharonbeech21 on May 14, 2018 15:24:54 GMT
Joe Allen is one of our better players so i wouldnt want him to leave
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2018 15:28:02 GMT
Can't see him staying he's too good to play in the Championship. No he is not. Today it how much wedge they are getting. Look at Wolves.
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on May 14, 2018 15:55:28 GMT
In two minds over Joe. Just think he's to small and not powerful enough for the prem. How often do we see him race for the ball but then get caught in possession and loses the ball within seconds.
But.... Surely he would be good enough in the championship. But again would his lack of height strength be an issue in a more physical league. Is he the man to boss the midfield week in week out when, if we are serious about a quick return to the prem then we are going to need to win around 24 games in a tough league.
Not convinced he is the answer to a strong midfield.
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Post by harryburrows on May 14, 2018 16:07:19 GMT
How will the money raised be spent is the real question? Anything upwards of £18m for Allen is a good deal, will you put it back into the club Peter? Not sure why everyone is concerned about cashing in on our core players , get rid of the show ponies by all means . Allen is part of a spine we can build a successful team around
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on May 14, 2018 16:28:51 GMT
In two minds over Joe. Just think he's to small and not powerful enough for the prem. How often do we see him race for the ball but then get caught in possession and loses the ball within seconds. But.... Surely he would be good enough in the championship. But again would his lack of height strength be an issue in a more physical league. Is he the man to boss the midfield week in week out when, if we are serious about a quick return to the prem then we are going to need to win around 24 games in a tough league. Not convinced he is the answer to a strong midfield. His height and strength has never been an issue. His passing is abit of an issue. If his height and strength was an issue he wouldn't have been inthe euro 2016 team if the tournament. He has been our best player by far so again, just cannot fathom your opinion here. Joe Allen would be far too good for the championship. We won't be able to replace him with similar quality, we should do everything we can to keep him as he will boss midfield in that league
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