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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2018 16:32:35 GMT
Of all the shite playing at Stoke Joe Allen is not among them.
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Post by Fred Merger on May 14, 2018 16:34:12 GMT
If Joe is happy to stay,I would seriously think about making him team captain next season!
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on May 14, 2018 18:57:43 GMT
In two minds over Joe. Just think he's to small and not powerful enough for the prem. How often do we see him race for the ball but then get caught in possession and loses the ball within seconds. But.... Surely he would be good enough in the championship. But again would his lack of height strength be an issue in a more physical league. Is he the man to boss the midfield week in week out when, if we are serious about a quick return to the prem then we are going to need to win around 24 games in a tough league. Not convinced he is the answer to a strong midfield. His height and strength has never been an issue. His passing is abit of an issue. If his height and strength was an issue he wouldn't have been inthe euro 2016 team if the tournament. He has been our best player by far so again, just cannot fathom your opinion here. Joe Allen would be far too good for the championship. We won't be able to replace him with similar quality, we should do everything we can to keep him as he will boss midfield in that league I must of been watching a different player getting caught in possession and being eased quite easily off the ball time and time again.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 20, 2018 19:29:22 GMT
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on May 20, 2018 19:38:48 GMT
It would be massive if he stays. We will need to convince him with an ambitious managerial appointment and some big signings.
He'd also become a legend because for me he is a top top player
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on May 20, 2018 19:41:50 GMT
His height and strength has never been an issue. His passing is abit of an issue. If his height and strength was an issue he wouldn't have been inthe euro 2016 team if the tournament. He has been our best player by far so again, just cannot fathom your opinion here. Joe Allen would be far too good for the championship. We won't be able to replace him with similar quality, we should do everything we can to keep him as he will boss midfield in that league I must of been watching a different player getting caught in possession and being eased quite easily off the ball time and time again. Fair enough mate but in the modern game its nonsensical to talk about a midfielders height being a problem factor. Allen is 5 ft 8 or something like that, the same height as many of the best midfielders past and present. And he's not weak, those situations you are on about are where he gets caught in advanced positions with little support
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on May 20, 2018 19:44:44 GMT
It would be massive if he stays. We will need to convince him with an ambitious managerial appointment and some big signings. He'd also become a legend because for me he is a top top player I think he honestly wants to stay but, quite rightly, is challenging the club to make it worth his while and not purely from a financial point of view but from a recruitment and managerial appointment. He'll be gone by the end of June! I hope he doesn't recommend Coleman!
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on May 20, 2018 19:47:24 GMT
I'm not his biggest fan (I think he's got a touch of the Whiteheads about him), but him staying is huge. It's a massive message in itself that we're seriously looking to get back up, which would almost certainly improve our pulling power in terms of new signings.
If we could keep Badou as well, him and Allen behind Bojan would make my boxers very sticky indeed.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2018 19:52:14 GMT
Tony Scholes does not like this.
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Post by jeycov on May 20, 2018 19:56:53 GMT
Our incoming manager needs to keep the likes of Allen on board
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2018 20:06:33 GMT
Altho it’s good that players like him and Ryan are testing our owners ambition but, I’m also worried that players seem to think that the club should bow to their demands At the moment i think I’m happy with his attitude
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Post by xchpotter on May 20, 2018 20:16:00 GMT
Interesting twist. If Ndiaye stays too, it gives us a solid platform for midfield with the wings to address next.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on May 20, 2018 20:18:16 GMT
I've just stuck a billion pounds on Chris Coleman.
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on May 20, 2018 20:24:47 GMT
I must of been watching a different player getting caught in possession and being eased quite easily off the ball time and time again. Fair enough mate but in the modern game its nonsensical to talk about a midfielders height being a problem factor. Allen is 5 ft 8 or something like that, the same height as many of the best midfielders past and present. And he's not weak, those situations you are on about are where he gets caught in advanced positions with little support I honestly think the premier league is very much based on pace and power which I don't believe are Joe's strong points. As I said I'm in two minds over Joe - no I don't think he is a top top premier league player....but, He should be good enough for the championship although it is a tough competitive league to get out of as Joe himself has hinted at. If he stays I hope he is, as the midfield will undoubtedly have him as a starter and he must be able to run the midfield game after game for us To gain promotion
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Post by followyoudown on May 20, 2018 20:27:15 GMT
I think Allen is a very good player and would be more than happy for him to stay but having read what he has said it is not much to get excited about, it's a noncommittal commitment much like the non denial denials you get in politics. He and indeed any player would have to be stupid to say either they were staying 100% in case the club wants to sell them or to be saying he was leaving / wants to leave without an offer on the table.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2018 20:36:26 GMT
Big name manager with a big time budget should do it however I can't see it. The club are cheapskates but I hope I'm wrong and they go for it.
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Post by thegift on May 20, 2018 20:38:52 GMT
If Peter fucks this up he should be hounded out
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2018 20:55:17 GMT
If we can keep Joe it will be massive.
He will shine in the championship and if we can keep him along with a good chunk of our other top players and with the right man in charge we could do really well next season.
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Post by clintonbaptiste on May 20, 2018 21:45:42 GMT
Altho it’s good that players like him and Ryan are testing our owners ambition but, I’m also worried that players seem to think that the club should bow to their demands At the moment i think I’m happy with his attitude I know what you're getting at but with the likes of Ryan and Joe I think it's a case of them having genuine care for the club rather than them giving it the big I am. It's a shame it requires a player to take that stance for the board to act positively but if something good comes out of it then so be it.
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Post by chigstoke on May 20, 2018 21:51:34 GMT
Bayern is going to have a coronary if Allen ends up staying.
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Post by Gary Hackett on May 20, 2018 21:55:21 GMT
I've said all along that he'd give us another season, hopefully along with Badou.
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Post by andystokey on May 20, 2018 22:00:33 GMT
The right manager choice will have such a massive impact on recruitment and retention. Spending money on the right man in the dugout is more important than any player. It's got to be someone of real substance that players like Badou, Bauer, Allen, BMI and Peters can really play for and some one to attract players like Gayle, Abrahams etc.
That's not your Mad Micks or other no marks.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2018 5:18:54 GMT
Altho it’s good that players like him and Ryan are testing our owners ambition but, I’m also worried that players seem to think that the club should bow to their demands At the moment i think I’m happy with his attitude I know what you're getting at but with the likes of Ryan and Joe I think it's a case of them having genuine care for the club rather than them giving it the big I am. It's a shame it requires a player to take that stance for the board to act positively but if something good comes out of it then so be it. Think I Agree
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Post by davyboy on May 21, 2018 8:00:21 GMT
Great news about Joe offering hope of staying. The new manager should build a team around him. His workrate and energy will be massive in Championship
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Post by hanibal7 on May 21, 2018 9:14:43 GMT
Bayern is going to have a coronary if Allen ends up staying. Promise!!!!
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Post by Gods on May 21, 2018 9:22:46 GMT
Did we ever establish if we have relegation pay decrease clauses in players contracts or not? Perhaps it varies from player to player.
In order to have any hope of keeping a Joe Allen or a Badou or a Bauer I guess we would need to somehow waive those clauses if they do exist?
I mean no one would for whom there may be a market elsewhere for their services at their current pay would sign up to staying and say a 30% pay cut at the same time would they? They may like the club but not that much.
I'm just curious about the mechanics of this thing.
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Post by jimmygscfc on May 21, 2018 9:23:16 GMT
I've said all along that he'd give us another season, hopefully along with Badou. Great if he does stay, but you don't really know do you?
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Post by george2again on May 21, 2018 9:48:17 GMT
Hell be off if Rowett is appointed.
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Post by Stretfordpotterer on May 21, 2018 10:20:24 GMT
I must of been watching a different player getting caught in possession and being eased quite easily off the ball time and time again. Fair enough mate but in the modern game its nonsensical to talk about a midfielders height being a problem factor. Allen is 5 ft 8 or something like that, the same height as many of the best midfielders past and present. And he's not weak, those situations you are on about are where he gets caught in advanced positions with little support I'm afraid he is weak. He bounces off people in 50/50 situations on a regular basis. He wasn't the only one and i feel we lacked real muscle across the board but i really noticed it with Allen a lot at both ends of the park. His effort and commitment are second to none but he was and will quite possibly remain, at the heart of our issues when possession turns over. At DM he regaularly charges well past where he should be and then fails to win the ball, not only that but also fails to take out the man either and the opposition break straight through our centre, happened countless times last season. A lot of people give him a free pass because they judge that he was plugging gaps left by others, and i think there was an argument for that last season. This season he's been creating his own holes in our shape by charging around like a headless chicken.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 21, 2018 10:57:50 GMT
Hell be off if Rowett is appointed. You really can’t blame him either
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